Wikidata:Property proposal/Australian Trade Mark Number

Australian Trade Mark Number edit

Originally proposed at Wikidata:Property proposal/Authority control

Done: Australian Trade Mark Number (P10120) (Talk and documentation)

Description	identifier for a trade mark in Australia
Represents	Australian trade mark number (Q65526224)
Data type	External identifier
Domain	organization (Q43229)
Allowed values	[1-9]\d*
Example 1	Deadly Science (Q108865010) → 2119325 : object has role (P3831) figurative trademark (Q109984316)
Example 2	University of Sydney (Q487556) → 1362090 : object has role (P3831) figurative trademark (Q109984316)
Example 3	Undergraduate Medicine and Health Sciences Admission Test (Q7883590) → 833816 : object has role (P3831) word trademark (Q109984323)
Example 4	Apple (Q312) → 218347 : object has role (P3831) figurative trademark (Q109984316)
Source	https://search.ipaustralia.gov.au/trademarks/search/quick https://search.ipaustralia.gov.au/trademarks/search/quick/result?q=0-9999999
External links	Use in sister projects: [ar] • [de] • [en] • [es] • [fr] • [he] • [it] • [ja] • [ko] • [nl] • [pl] • [pt] • [ru] • [sv] • [vi] • [zh] • [commons] • [species] • [wd] • [en.wikt] • [fr.wikt].
Planned use	adding links to Australian items
Number of IDs in source	2021184
Expected completeness	always incomplete (Q21873886)
Formatter URL	https://search.ipaustralia.gov.au/trademarks/search/view/$1
Robot and gadget jobs	yes
Applicable "stated in"-value	IP Australia (Q5973154)
Distinct-values constraint	yes
Wikidata project	WikiProject Australia (Q11036831)

Motivation edit

Official trademark database in Australia. Unless we have an item about the specific object the trademark stands for, I think it will often be best applied to the item about the trademark owner (company), so sometimes there will not be a single value. May also be useful in Commons for structured referencing of specific logos. 99of9 (talk) 08:32, 11 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion edit

Notified participants of WikiProject Australia --99of9 (talk) 08:32, 11 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Support JarrahTree (talk) 08:35, 11 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Support Very useful MargaretRDonald (talk) 08:44, 11 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Support --Dhx1 (talk) 13:04, 11 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Support Eothan (talk) 23:43, 15 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Weak oppose I'm not convinced that use of applies to part (P518) is sound here. It seems like this external identifier is for the trademark, not for the organisation which owns it (which could, in theory, change). Also the proposal domain is currently incorrectly suggested to be taxon. --SilentSpike (talk) 23:15, 6 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for picking up the domain. That's now fixed. I don't think we will (or should) often have an item for the trademark itself, so as mentioned in the motivation, it will usually not be a single-value identifier. I still think it's worth providing links to company logos. If they are freely licensed they can be on Commons with logo image (P154), but that is rare in the space of all logos. If ownership changes hands, I think we could manage that with time-based qualifiers. --99of9 (talk) 00:10, 7 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@SilentSpike, 99of9: Perhaps use object has role (P3831) instead of applies to part (P518) and the items would be "colour trademark", "scent trademark", etc (other examples listed at [1]). --Dhx1 (talk) 02:31, 8 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@SilentSpike, Dhx1: Good idea, I've switched the examples. --99of9 (talk) 02:45, 8 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@99of9, JarrahTree, MargaretRDonald, Dhx1, Eothan, SilentSpike: Done ArthurPSmith (talk) 18:43, 9 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]