Wikidata:Property proposal/Complies with
complies with edit
Originally proposed at Wikidata:Property proposal/Generic
Description | the product or work complies with a certain norm or passes a test |
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Data type | Item |
Domain | technical standard (Q317623), work (Q386724), |
Example | |
Source | specific to the norm or test |
See also |
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- Motivation
Inspired by this request. There's currently no good way to model this kind of statement. MB-one (talk) 18:52, 2 December 2017 (UTC)
- Discussion
- Support David (talk) 19:00, 2 December 2017 (UTC)
- Is there a reason not to call this "complies with norm" but have the (norm/test)? ChristianKl (✉) 19:10, 2 December 2017 (UTC)
- The idea is to make the property more widely applicable. But the label is certainly open for discussion. --MB-one (talk) 19:42, 2 December 2017 (UTC)
- Support how about just labeling this "satisfies" to indicate the item satisfies the constraints of whatever the target item is? ArthurPSmith (talk) 18:37, 4 December 2017 (UTC)
- Support Marked as ready, with the simpler label suggested by Arthur and Christian. − Pintoch (talk) 15:53, 13 December 2017 (UTC)
- Oppose Using this with Bechdel test (Q4165246) means that we can only show when the norm is passed and not when it isn't. If we want a solution that can speak well about the Bechdel test (Q4165246) we should spend more time on the drawing board to think about how this will be modeled. I would also appreciate links to prior art because there's likely prior art and it would make sense to copy the wording.
- It's worth to spend the time to debate a name for an item like this to get it right. ChristianKl (✉) 16:03, 13 December 2017 (UTC)
- You'd have to name a property something like "compliance with" and require a qualifier to specify the "yes" or "no" value; maybe rating (P4271) could be the qualifier? ArthurPSmith (talk) 16:31, 13 December 2017 (UTC)
- Perhaps there could be a separate target item for noncompliance to the Bechdel test, which could then be linked to Bechdel test somehow? --Yair rand (talk) 00:57, 15 December 2017 (UTC)
- Oh, yes that works. @ChristianKl: just use this with an item labeled "fails Bechdel test" or something like that, and it should be clear what the meaning is. ArthurPSmith (talk) 18:04, 15 December 2017 (UTC)
- To me "complies with" "fails Bechdel test" seems like a very forced construction. If you advocate such a forced construction, you should at the minimum start by looking at whether there are already better solutions out there that are used in other structured data projects.
- "It should be clear what the meaning is" maybe, but that's not the standard. The meaning is not supposed to rest in the words of the label of the item. ChristianKl (✉) 18:24, 15 December 2017 (UTC)
- Oh, yes that works. @ChristianKl: just use this with an item labeled "fails Bechdel test" or something like that, and it should be clear what the meaning is. ArthurPSmith (talk) 18:04, 15 December 2017 (UTC)
- @ChristianKl: This property is intended to be usable for many tests and norms. Bechdel test (Q4165246) is just one example. Having a special property just for this test, wouldn't make this property obsolete. --MB-one (talk) 09:50, 14 December 2017 (UTC)
- I don't think that caring about noting when a test isn't passed is unique to Bechdel test (Q4165246). ChristianKl (✉) 14:00, 14 December 2017 (UTC)
- Comment maybe this could be included in Wikidata:Property proposal/test taken.
--- Jura 08:07, 16 December 2017 (UTC) - Support this as a separate property from Wikidata:Property proposal/test taken. I have explained my reasoning over there. Deryck Chan (talk) 19:43, 18 January 2018 (UTC)
- Could this also be used for statutes? For example in the EU, member states are required to make sure their laws comply with European Union directives. There doesn't currently seem to be a way to model this.
- ⟨ Copyright Act (Q47502163) ⟩ Complies with Search ⟨ Information Society Directive (Q1933649) ⟩
start time (P580) ⟨ 1. January 2006 ⟩ - Shinnin (talk) 19:43, 27 January 2018 (UTC)
@MB-one, ChristianKl, ArthurPSmith, Pintoch, Yair rand: @Jura1, Shinnin: Done Micru (talk) 07:58, 4 April 2018 (UTC)
@MB-one, ChristianKl, ArthurPSmith, Pintoch, Yair rand, Shinnin: @Deryck_Chan: There is a complementary proposal you may wish to comment on: Wikidata:Property proposal/fails compliance with. — Omegatron (talk) 14:46, 20 December 2020 (UTC)