Wikidata:Property proposal/Ginco id

GINCO Id edit

Originally proposed at Wikidata:Property proposal/Creative work

Done: no label (P3905) (Talk and documentation)

Description	identifier for a concept in the Thesaurus of the French Ministry of Culture
Data type	External identifier
Allowed values	T\d{2}-\d{2,4}
Example	sword (Q12791) -> T69-6414
Planned use	useful for objects in the Palissy database (Q2886424)
Formatter URL	http://data.culture.fr/thesaurus/page/ark:/67717/$1

Motivation

Online thesaurus with partial mapping to Getty's Arts and Architecture Thesaurus, dbpedia and bnf. It has a sparql endpoint: http://data.culture.fr/thesaurus/sparql

The thesaurus aggregates several controlled vocabulary sets used by the French Ministry of Culture. One of them, Thésaurus de la désignation des objets mobiliers is used in the Palissy database. A bit chunk of Palissy should soon be uploaded by user:Gzen92 and having this property may be a great help in maintaining them (will provide accurate instance of (P31) values)

Notes :

property name: I found the name Ginco here and here. It does not appear to be widely used, but that is shorter than "French Ministry of Culture online ID".
identifier format: the format of the identifier is T + id of the thesaurus where it is from + then dash and identifier within the original thesaurus. We could split it into a property for each of this thesaurus but I do not think it is a good idea at all (there are reasons why they were grouped on the same website in the first place).

@VIGNERON, Shonagon, Louis-garden: who may know more about it. --Zolo (talk) 12:22, 16 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Zolo . For the identifier format, the proposition is not a general case, some concepts have opaque ID like http://data.culture.fr/thesaurus/page/ark:/67717/a03b950e-91ef-48d9-a69a-466a18c823ee . So we have two cases and a pattern matching both will be something like that [-a-zA-Z0-9]+ . Final point, I have confirmation for the will of sustainability of the URLs from the former product owner, a good point. A least "Ginco Id" is maybe not a good label for this property, Ginco is the name of a tool not of the referencial. As ChristianKl proposes, "French Ministry of Culture thesaurus ID" feets exactly what it is, in addition to easier for users to understand what the property is about. Best regards, --Shonagon (talk) 10:21, 14 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion

Support I know this thesaurus (sadly, not very well) and it defintely could be useful (and not just for Palissy !). Indeed, I'm not sure if Ginco (acronym for Gestion Informatisée de Nomenclatures Collaboratives et Ouvertes) is a good name, but I can't find a better one. Cdlt, VIGNERON (talk) 12:51, 16 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Support As VIGNERON, I know about it but I do not use it. The main goal to link different vocabularies from french parimonail insitutions is obviously useful and supported by a good dynamic. It has to be a persistent service. I'm not sure about the URL data.culture.fr (there is already data.gouv.fr and a new data.culturecommunication.gouv.fr ... ) but the use of ark is a good guarantee that it could be supported in long term. I informed the formely product owner of this project to have her feedback about this proposal. --Shonagon (talk) 15:40, 17 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:30, 19 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Support Gzen92 ^[discuter] 11:16, 22 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I would prefer "French Ministry of Culture online ID" as property name as it makes it easier for users to understand what the property is about. I don't think the fact that "Ginco Id" is shorter is a good reason to use it, especially when the name isn't widely used. Does somebody object to the name "French Ministry of Culture online ID" for the property? ChristianKl (talk) 08:47, 24 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
- Actually "French Ministry of Culture online ID" would not really make sense as they have several other databases with other ids. "French Ministry of Culture thesaurus ID" may be technically correct. --Zolo (talk) 09:15, 24 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  - I would also prefer ""French Ministry of Culture thesaurus ID" over the current name. ChristianKl (talk) 18:56, 25 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
    - Support "French Ministry of Culture thesaurus ID" corresponds to the referential and another issue is that "Ginco" is the name of the tool using it. --Shonagon (talk) 10:21, 14 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Tubezlob (🙋) 12:22, 25 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Support. This looks like a useful external id. YULdigitalpreservation (talk) 13:02, 30 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Zolo, Shonagon, VIGNERON, Pigsonthewing, Gzen92, ChristianKl: P3905 (P3905) has been created. Pamputt (talk) 17:24, 29 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]