Wikidata:Property proposal/NFSA title ID

‎NFSA title ID edit

Originally proposed at Wikidata:Property proposal/Creative work

Done: NFSA title ID (P11948) (Talk and documentation)

Description	Public identifiers used by the National Film and Sound Archive of Australia for film “titles”.
Represents	National Film and Sound Archive (Q2565882)
Data type	External identifier
Domain	film (Q11424)
Allowed values	[1-9][0-9]*
Example 1	The Moth of Moonbi (Q7752407)→281
Example 2	Picnic at Hanging Rock (Q1421747)→3
Example 3	Praise (Q12126942)→387302
Source	https://www.collection.nfsa.gov.au/
Planned use	Begin adding film identifiers from new collection search.
Expected completeness	eventually complete (Q21873974)
Formatter URL	https://www.collection.nfsa.gov.au/title/$1

Motivation edit

With the launch of the new NFSA collection search (https://www.collection.nfsa.gov.au/) we have now moved to exposing persistent identifiers for NFSA held entities. Previously these links were expressed as http://colsearch.nfsa.gov.au/nfsa/search/display/display.w3p;adv=no;group=;groupequals=;holdingType=;page=0;parentid=;query=Id%3A340208;querytype=;rec=0;resCount=10, the new equivalent is https://www.collection.nfsa.gov.au/title/231. We are keen to look at adding Wikidata identifiers to bring us inline with other work performed by equivalent institutions such as the BFI, Cinémathèque québécoise and ACMI --Pxxlhxslxn (talk) 23:36, 31 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion edit

Just realised: should I be pinging any group in particular to assess this, or is it sufficient to leave this request notice here? --Pxxlhxslxn (talk) 20:21, 2 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support --Jimmyjrg (talk) 23:47, 5 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support --Oronsay (talk) 23:48, 5 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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Notified participants of WikiProject Australia --Jimmyjrg (talk) 23:47, 5 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Question What other values are there for the 'title' part of the URL? The regex has it as any word (including none, which is perhaps an error?), but there don't seem to be any values used other than 'title'. If there are a few distinct values for this and they point to different types of entity, then it might be better to create separate properties for them (and call this e.g. 'NSFA title ID'). Sam Wilson 00:17, 6 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
- I have the same question and suggestion. Thierry Caro (talk) 00:29, 6 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  - I support changing this to 'NSFA title ID' (and simplifying to just the number). I see potential for a separate 'NSFA person ID' (and maybe others), for exampe Brendan Horgan (Q69770971) : 6119301. --99of9 (talk) 02:38, 6 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Ideally we would be supporting both “titles” and “creators” to begin with, although I have just noticed that creator do not resolve so neatly (eg https://www.collection.nfsa.gov.au/search/credits.id=12110758). Let me follow this up with the team and report back. I think we were pitching this approach following on from work done with the ACMI ID (P7003) which has a single property also doing double duty on works and creators. The interest in keeping this as a single property would be if the organisation starts minting/using persistent identifiers for other vocabularies (eg "35mm film", “Melbourne”), we could to leverage the same property without creating/maintaining distinct properties for each. Pxxlhxslxn (talk) 03:41, 6 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    
    I have just clarified that initially we would only be supporting “title” matches, so I believe the suggestions above are appropriate and I have updated the request accordingly. Let me know whether there are any other questions about this proposal, otherwise we are very happy with it from this end. Pxxlhxslxn (talk) 00:54, 7 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    - Thanks for following this up. I've just shifted the "title/" out of the IDs and into the URL formatter. You've got my support Support. --99of9 (talk) 08:02, 7 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
      I updated the Allowed values to just integer, rather than the whole URL. But yeah, all looks good now! Sam Wilson 08:12, 7 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Support--MargaretRDonald (talk) 23:43, 9 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Pxxlhxslxn, Jimmyjrg, Oronsay, Samwilson, Thierry Caro, 99of9: @MargaretRDonald: Done: NFSA title ID (P11948). Regards Kirilloparma (talk) 01:05, 14 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
That is amazing @Kirilloparma, thanks for putting this up! Pxxlhxslxn (talk) 03:41, 14 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

You're welcome! Regards Kirilloparma (talk) 03:55, 14 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]