Wikidata:Property proposal/National Archives of Sweden persistent identifier

National Archives of Sweden persistent identifier

Originally proposed at Wikidata:Property proposal/Creative work

   On hold

Description	persistent identifier for objects in the National Archives of Sweden main archival database
Represents	National Archives of Sweden (Q1724971)
Data type	External identifier
Domain	archival resource (Q106815942), document (Q49848), work (Q386724)
Allowed values	Base62-encoded UUID
Example 1	No 2. Elbing. (Q111517198) → eYHMeAFOm4sNVmxKK3M5L2
Example 2	No 3. Elbing (Q111517379) → 0zDW3BS0Gw9Haap2yUVspE
Example 3	No 4. Danzigk wir es Eltere und newer werck (Q111519390) → zmQwWNi2ag9DQGJxnSVmD0
Implied notability	Wikidata property for an identifier that does not imply notability (Q62589320)
Formatter URL	https://sok.riksarkivet.se/arkiv/$1
See also	Swedish National Archive reference code (P5324)
Applicable "stated in"-value	National Archives of Sweden (Q117288060)
Single-value constraint	yes
Distinct-values constraint	yes

Motivation

Wikidata-objekt med denna egenskapen kan också ha Nationell Arkivdatabas Referenskod (P5324), men den persistenta identifieraren är enklare att använda för att skapa webbsides-URLer och länkad data-URIer. Nils Weinander (Riksarkivet Sverige) (talk) 13:28, 28 April 2022 (UTC)

Discussion

•  Comment Hi - could you fix your examples to look more like other property proposals (should look like: item → id) ? Also it would be useful to have formatter URL and some of the other template parameters filled out if possible. ArthurPSmith (talk) 14:21, 29 April 2022 (UTC)

  Thanks for the feedback! This is my first property proposal so I am very unsure of how to do things. I have reformatted the examples, added URL format and a see also reference. Nils Weinander (Riksarkivet Sverige) (talk) 08:22, 2 May 2022 (UTC)

•  Support Ok, looks good to me now! ArthurPSmith (talk) 15:48, 9 May 2022 (UTC)
•  Support Jneubert (talk) 05:53, 10 May 2022 (UTC)
•  Comment are the above examples also the canonical URIs? Considering that the RA has quite a lot of identifiers, could there be a less generic name/description? "primary database" doesn't say much to the average user. Abbe98 (talk) 21:18, 11 May 2022 (UTC)
•  Support,
  Ainali salgo60 Belteshassar so9q Vätte Popperipopp Tulipasylvestris Esquilo Daniel Mietchen — with focus on topics related to research (Q42240) VisbyStar Haxpett QubeCube Marcus.linneberg Vitplister Spisen Sollentuna Myohmy671 Autom S4b1nuz E.656
  Notified participants of WikiProject Sweden —MasterRus21thCentury (talk) 06:36, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

It has been created as Swedish National Archive agent ID (P9713) se discussion - Salgo60 (talk) 07:43, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

Not the same as I understand. This proposal is for objects in archives (maybe even archives or series, though I struggle to come up with a case where they would have a wikidata item). The property you link is for an agent (Swedish: arkivbildare). Belteshassar (talk) 09:15, 21 March 2023 (UTC)

@Belteshassar, Nils Weinander (Riksarkivet Sverige), Abbe98: Dont we make it more complex than needed. Formatter url is the same

https://sok.riksarkivet.se/agent/$1 

My suggestion change the name on Swedish National Archive agent ID (P9713) to be both... I have used (maybe wrongly) both for the "person agent" and the "archive agent"

1) List examples nota bene August Strindberg seems to have more person identifiers at the National Archive looks like something that needs to be cleaned at "the National Archive"...

Having 2 different properties is like if someone should connect with Wikidata and add new properties for every type of instance instance of (P31) Wikidata has... ?

• Also Swedish National Archive reference code (P5324) is used for both persons and archives

- Salgo60 (talk) 20:35, 24 March 2023 (UTC)

•  Comment, I think this would be useful, perhaps also on commons. I’m not sure how many entries in NAD reference individual works, as I understand the purpose of the proposal, and to what degree those works are notable for Wikidata. Perhaps the creator of the proposal could enlighten me. Belteshassar (talk) 09:23, 21 March 2023 (UTC)
  • pushed the question also to github.com/Riksarkivet/dataplattform - Salgo60 (talk) 13:24, 27 March 2023 (UTC)
•  Comment read the thoughts over at the National Archive - Salgo60 (talk) 03:10, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
•  Comment Writing as the original author of this propopsal, I would like to put this on hold for the moment. I realize that this should probably be the RDF URI rather than just the PID. I have to think this over and if I do end up with wanting the RDF URI, there are issues to clear with the format of this. - Nils Weinander (Riksarkivet Sverige) (talk) 11:26, 28 Mars 2023 (UTC)

  FYI: Nils is working at the Swedish National Archives with this - Salgo60 (talk) 17:17, 28 March 2023 (UTC)