Wikidata:Property proposal/PRELIB ID

PRELIB person ID edit

Originally proposed at Wikidata:Property proposal/Person

Done: PRELIB person ID (P5641) (Talk and documentation)

Description	identifier for a person on the Projet de recherche en littérature de langue bretonne website
Represents	Research project on literature in the Breton language (Q55809526)
Data type	External identifier
Domain	human (Q5)
Allowed values	[1-9]\d*
Example 1	Charles Chassé (Q2958717) → 1534
Example 2	Daniel Defoe (Q40946) → 1468
Example 3	Adine Riom (Q2824451) → 1741
Source	http://mshb.huma-num.fr/prelib/personnes_list/
External links	Use in sister projects: [ar] • [de] • [en] • [es] • [fr] • [he] • [it] • [ja] • [ko] • [nl] • [pl] • [pt] • [ru] • [sv] • [vi] • [zh] • [commons] • [species] • [wd] • [en.wikt] • [fr.wikt].
Planned use	Template:Literature links (Q54933000)
Number of IDs in source	1705
Expected completeness	eventually complete (Q21873974)
Formatter URL	http://mshb.huma-num.fr/prelib/personne/$1/

Motivation

This new Wikidata property related to literature (Q29561722) would improve our coverage of Breton literature (Q3256759). It has been suggested by XIIIfromTOKYO. Thierry Caro (talk) 11:21, 29 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion

Notified participants of WikiProject France. Thierry Caro (talk) 11:21, 29 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Support, this project seems excellent. Nomen ad hoc (talk) 11:40, 29 July 2018 (UTC).[reply]
Support David (talk) 11:47, 29 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Support VIGNERON (talk) 11:49, 29 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Support --XIII (talk) 14:08, 29 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

1 or 5 properties?

The PRELIB had five distinct parts for person, works, editions, magazine, and collective. So we have two solutions: one property or five properties.

5 properties	1 property
Jean-Guillaume Henry (Q21884116) → PWWW → personne/1 "Em Breiz-Izel" (Q to create) → PWWW → oeuvre/1 "En Est-La Moisson" (Q to create) → PWWW → edition/1 "Annales de la Propagation de la Foi" (Q to create) → PWWW → revue/1 French Ministry of education (Q2572330) → PWWW → collectif/694	Jean-Guillaume Henry (Q21884116) → PVVVV → 1 "Em Breiz-Izel" (Q to create) → PWWWW → 1 "En Est-La Moisson" (Q to create) → PXXXX → 1 "Annales de la Propagation de la Foi" (Q to create) → PYYYY → 1 French Ministry of education (Q2572330) → PZZZZ → 694
Complex constraints : if id start with "personne" then PWWW → instance of (P31) → human (Q5)	Simple constraints : PWWW → instance of (P31) → human (Q5)

Both can work, the second one being a bit more easy but the first is not really that complex.

@Thierry Caro, Nomen ad hoc, Nomen ad hoc, ديفيد عادل وهبة خليل 2, XIIIfromTOKYO: what do you prefer?

Cdlt, VIGNERON (talk) 12:36, 29 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I would go with KISS (Q131560) and only one propety, but have nothing against 5 properties. XIII (talk) 12:47, 29 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I don't mind, both suit IMHO. Perhaps a single property would be easier. On the other hand, distinct properties would be better for looking out for constraint violations. Nomen ad hoc (talk) 13:10, 29 July 2018 (UTC).[reply]

5 properties for me. Thierry Caro (talk) 14:22, 29 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

On the other hand, I'm fine with only one if this prevents the creation process from starting to slowly drown. I've marked the property as ready. Thierry Caro (talk) 18:58, 5 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

After more reflection, I would prefer five ones. Nomen ad hoc (talk) 07:46, 6 August 2018 (UTC).[reply]

I would prefer distinct properties too. − Pintoch (talk) 08:07, 12 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Pintoch: OK for five then. This means we can start with this one just as it is proposed above. Thierry Caro (talk) 12:33, 16 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Thierry Caro, Nomen ad hoc, ديفيد عادل وهبة خليل 2, VIGNERON, XIIIfromTOKYO, Pintoch: Done ArthurPSmith (talk) 18:17, 16 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Thierry Caro, Nomen ad hoc, Nomen ad hoc, ديفيد عادل وهبة خليل 2, XIIIfromTOKYO: Hello, Would it be possible to create the 4 other properties, especially for collectifs ? Thanks ? Hopala! (talk) 07:50, 12 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Thierry Caro, VIGNERON: Hello, Would it be possible to remove the Wikidata property for an identifier that suggests notability (Q62589316) from this property ? PRELIB not only references authors, but also publishes extracts from archive inventories featuring unknown persons who have exchanged with authors listed by the projet. The fact that someone appears on PRELIB should not be considered as a proof of notability. Thanks,