Wikidata:Property proposal/created at
written at created at
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Originally proposed at Wikidata:Property proposal/Generic
Not done
Description | location where a literary work was written, a music was created or a painting was created |
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Represents | physical location (Q17334923) |
Data type | Item |
Domain | |
Example 1 | Q55395524 → Mungpoo (Q16976226) |
Example 2 | Q57433575 → Udayan (Q78333123) |
Example 3 | Q55395705 → Gouripur House (Q78335380) |
See also | filming location (P915), recorded at studio or venue (P483), location of creation (P1071) (currently used for paintings) |
Motivation
editThis property will describe the location, where an author wrote a poem or novel or story etc. -- Bodhisattwa (talk) 14:46, 13 December 2019 (UTC) or in more general, a work was created, may be a painting, music etc. -- Bodhisattwa (talk) 19:09, 1 January 2020 (UTC)
Discussion
editComment Why don't just broad country of origin (P495)? --Tinker Bell ★ ♥ 20:34, 13 December 2019 (UTC)
- @Tinker Bell: - country of origin (P495) is to describe countries, it does not describe exact location of where the work was written. -- Bodhisattwa (talk) 06:39, 14 December 2019 (UTC)
- @Bodhisattwa: That's why I suggested to broad the scope of P495: it can be renamed to "place of origin". --Tinker Bell ★ ♥ 19:39, 14 December 2019 (UTC)
- @Tinker Bell: - country of origin (P495) is to describe countries, it does not describe exact location of where the work was written. -- Bodhisattwa (talk) 06:39, 14 December 2019 (UTC)
- Support David (talk) 05:25, 14 December 2019 (UTC)
- Support this is information that exists in a lot of wiki articles and often makes it's way into other properties. Cool to have a dedicated property for it. I would suggest broadening the scope to musical compositions as well though, something like "written or composed at" ? Moebeus (talk) 17:43, 16 December 2019 (UTC)
- Support -- even though I do sometimes wonder at the increasing multiplication of location properties, and wonder whether "significant event" = "composition" / qualifier: "location" = <place> might generally be a more parsimonious approach. (And might similarly be a generic mechanism to prefer instead of several other location properties) -- because I do think it is better not to create properties unless we really need them. But maybe it is better to have one definite well-defined property like this, that is easy to use, rather than significant event (P793), which people might apply all sorts of values to, or not think to use at all. Note that location of creation (P1071) is also available. For items like illuminated manuscripts, it may not be clear which property should be preferred, so we should maybe consider that. Jheald (talk) 22:03, 16 December 2019 (UTC)
- Comment - As per suggestions above and the Wikidata Telegram chat, I have changed the proposal to a more general term i.e. created at. -- Bodhisattwa (talk) 19:00, 1 January 2020 (UTC)
- Comment @Jheald: personally, I currently use location of creation (P1071) for tapestries and procelain and I don't like it. I'd rather reserve location of creation (P1071) for things that are made of components built elsewhere - like cell phones and automobiles - and use this new property for creative works like illuminated manuscripts and tapestries. The distinction could be "creative works" versus other types of human-made objects. - PKM (talk) 21:15, 2 January 2020 (UTC)
Support Ainali (talk) 19:10, 1 January 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose per Multichill, missed that property. Ainali (talk) 20:49, 4 February 2020 (UTC)
- Support as per Moebeus, and as per my question in the Wikidata Telegram chat asking if such a property existed. Example where I could use it: Patriotic Sketches of Ireland, Written in Connaught (Q80225111). --Rosiestep (talk) 19:11, 1 January 2020 (UTC)
- Hold on! This property seems to be redundant to location of creation (P1071) or at least the distinction is unclear. It was proposed as written as, not it was changed to created at which is basically the same as location of creation (P1071) which i already in use for plenty of creative works, see Wikidata:Database_reports/Constraint_violations/P1071#Types_statistics_2. What does adding an extra property add? Oppose for now. Multichill (talk) 17:41, 3 January 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose since it's unclear to me why this is different than location of creation (P1071) - I am not seeing the difference, especially since the time needed to create something (2 days vs 2 years) has little to do with the place it is created. Jane023 (talk) 17:48, 3 January 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose Redundant property per Multichill and Jane023. Gamaliel (talk) 17:59, 3 January 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose use location of creation (P1071). --99of9 (talk) 04:55, 29 January 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose per above. --Tinker Bell ★ ♥ 21:38, 29 January 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose --Trade (talk) 22:55, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
- @Bodhisattwa, Tinker Bell, ديفيد عادل وهبة خليل 2, Moebeus, Jheald: @PKM, Ainali, Rosiestep, Multichill, Jane023: @Gamaliel, 99of9, Trade: Not done Consensus seems clear that this is handled by the existing property location of creation (P1071). ArthurPSmith (talk) 18:40, 5 February 2020 (UTC)