Wikidata:Property proposal/naturkartan.se ID
naturkartan.se ID
editOriginally proposed at Wikidata:Property proposal/Place
Description | place on naturkartans website |
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Represents | P31 -> physical location (Q17334923) |
Data type | External identifier |
Allowed values | [a-z]/[a-z-] |
Example 1 | Grenforsen Cottage (Q106350423) → sundsvall/notstugan-grenforsen |
Example 2 | Sjöängsbadet, public beach (Q106689318) → huddinge/sjoangsbadet-2 |
Example 3 | Delsjöbadet (Q106769968) → goteborgsfriluftsguide/delsjobadet |
External links | Use in sister projects: [ar] • [de] • [en] • [es] • [fr] • [he] • [it] • [ja] • [ko] • [nl] • [pl] • [pt] • [ru] • [sv] • [vi] • [zh] • [commons] • [species] • [wd] • [en.wikt] • [fr.wikt]. |
Planned use | add to camp sites imported from vindskyddskartan.se |
Expected completeness | always incomplete (Q21873886) |
Formatter URL | https://naturkartan.se/sv/$1 |
Robot and gadget jobs | no |
See also | https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/vindskyddskartan.se_ID |
Motivation
editIt would be nice to link from our camp sites to existing sites at naturkartan because they expose underlying data from the municipalities that the municipalities seldom share as op-en data themselves. They are essentially collaborating with municipalities that give them public data. Note that they fail to mention that (part of) the data might not be copyrightable because it is most probably public Swedish information (allmän handling)--So9q (talk) 12:26, 3 April 2021 (UTC)
Discussion
edit- Support - Salgo60 (talk) 10:32, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
- will be used by WikiProject Swedish Bath Waters (Q106774536) that today has > 50 links to this site - Salgo60 (talk) 11:09, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
- Comment As far as I know each organization using this site pays to do so, so if a municipality stops paying for it all their links will break. We might be better of with other primary sources the county administrative board/the municipalities, etc which usually hosts the same information. Abbe98 (talk) 22:04, 23 May 2021 (UTC)
- @Abbe98: Has this problem arisen yet? Should we use it until it happens and then remove it? Take Sundsvall as an example, they don't release this data yet, I just emailed them and asked for it.--So9q (talk) 09:00, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
- My comment was rather open regarding the matter. Most of the information is available from other sources it's not open/structured but nor is this source. Abbe98 (talk) 09:11, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
- Abbe98 in Sweden we have 290 municipals and everyone is doing it different and very often this source is the best place to get the information is the lesson learned see GITHUB. Swedish Agency for Marine and Water Management (Q10518645) has a central register and we are trying that all baths places will be registered by Swedish Agency for Marine and Water Management (Q10518645) --> will get an identifiers created by Swedish Agency for Marine and Water Management (Q10518645) see also issues/96 and Wikidata:Property_proposal/bathingWaterIdentifier - Salgo60 (talk) 12:04, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
- My comment was rather open regarding the matter. Most of the information is available from other sources it's not open/structured but nor is this source. Abbe98 (talk) 09:11, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
- @Abbe98: Has this problem arisen yet? Should we use it until it happens and then remove it? Take Sundsvall as an example, they don't release this data yet, I just emailed them and asked for it.--So9q (talk) 09:00, 24 May 2021 (UTC)
- Support If it's the best place to get info about the topic. --Tinker Bell ★ ♥ 17:20, 1 June 2021 (UTC)
- Comment You seem to be under the impression that anything that is allmän handling is free from copyright, but that is far from the truth. There are concrete definitions of what is free from copyright and you better refer to the right paragraph from the law to be able to claim copyright exception. For example, maps and images are never exempt from copyright, even if it is part of allmän handling (URL 9§ 2st.). Ainali (talk) 17:35, 1 June 2021 (UTC)
- Ainali please explain. We are just adding the key to that website not using the data at the site that we hope the reader will do - Salgo60 (talk) 03:07, 7 June 2021 (UTC)
- This was a direct comment on the last sentence of the motivation. Besides that error, it's also not clear exactly what information originates from public organizations and what is added by the company running the site. So whatever that sentence in the motivation was meant to achieve, I don't believe it succeeded. Ainali (talk) 18:32, 7 June 2021 (UTC)
- Ainali please explain. We are just adding the key to that website not using the data at the site that we hope the reader will do - Salgo60 (talk) 03:07, 7 June 2021 (UTC)
- Support, Notified participants of WikiProject Sweden —MasterRus21thCentury (talk) 16:04, 21 January 2022 (UTC)
- Support Nepalicoi (talk) 08:27, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
- @So9q, Salgo60, Abbe98, Tinker Bell, Ainali, MasterRus21thCentury: @Nepalicoi: Done: naturkartan.se ID (P10467). Regards Kirilloparma (talk) 12:16, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
- @KirilloparmaThere were still unresolved issues regarding this proposal. Abbe98 (talk) 12:57, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
- Hi. As far as I can see, all possible answers to these comments ([1], [2]) have been given, so I see no further objections or oppose votes here. Please also note that proposal was marked as ready and general support has been gained. Regards Kirilloparma (talk) 15:12, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
- Kirilloparma thanks taking the time. cc: Abbe98 I see no issues, that web pages can disappeared is internet and not a problem I have seen with naturkartan.se
- - Salgo60 (talk) 18:41, 8 March 2022 (UTC)
- @Kirilloparma A comment from @Ainali remind unresolved and so does mine which has an answer but a unrelated one. It was marked as ready by a support voter and the consensus builds on the proposal which is plainly wrong which commenters has pointed out. Abbe98 (talk) 07:09, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
- Abbe98 please repeat the questions you think still exist so we can move this forward... naturkartan is often the best place to get information about public Bathing Waters I have gathered more than 2900 Swedish Bathing Waters (issues in Swedish when trying to get open data from the one that "should" deliver good data but fails, compared with that mess Naturkartan is a step forward ) - Salgo60 (talk) 05:05, 10 March 2022 (UTC)
- Hi. As far as I can see, all possible answers to these comments ([1], [2]) have been given, so I see no further objections or oppose votes here. Please also note that proposal was marked as ready and general support has been gained. Regards Kirilloparma (talk) 15:12, 8 March 2022 (UTC)