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The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.

I'm closing this given that the git patch will be deployed at any time. The result is:

  1. We'll have the flood flag enabled under the policy at meta;
  2. All users can hold flood;
  3. Administrators can self-grant and -revoke flood;
  4. Bureaucrats will manage the new right;
  5. All users holding the flood flag can revoke it from themselves;

Regards. — ΛΧΣ21 05:05, 4 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

As mass deletions, sending translation notifications and some other tasks are flooding our RecentChanges massively, I propose to enable the flood flag here on Wikidata, which hides edits from RC if the flag is set to an account. It is a part of the bot flag, but not the full one and is also used on some other wikis, e. g. metawiki. --Vogone talk 00:35, 28 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

General proposal

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Yes, enable the flood flag on Wikidata

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  1. Vogone talk 00:35, 28 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  2. --Jasper Deng (talk) 00:40, 28 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  3. --Rschen7754 01:01, 28 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Techman224Talk 01:13, 28 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Courcelles (talk) 01:43, 28 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  6. Yeah why not. — ΛΧΣ21 02:06, 28 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  7. Seems like a good idea. TCN7JM 02:44, 28 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  8. --Bill william compton (talk) 04:13, 28 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  9. Yes please Legoktm (talk) 08:43, 28 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  10. certainly needed.--Ymblanter (talk) 12:42, 28 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  11.  Neutral – RecentChanges doesn't seem to be flooded with thousands of edits from the same person, so we don't need it now IMO. It's a good idea down the road, though, if it's needed. ...Jakob Megaphone, Telescope 12:55, 28 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    Not true. See e. g. Special:Log/Legoktm. Regards, Vogone talk 12:58, 28 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    <shifty eyes> I normally try and do my mass deletes during the US/European night to try and disturb less users. Legoktm (talk) 18:27, 28 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    Pfff… you're disturbing others at any time. Vogone talk 18:33, 28 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  12. Conny (talk) 14:45, 28 April 2013 (UTC).[reply]
  13. . --Yair rand (talk) 17:45, 28 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  14. --Steinsplitter (talk) 20:38, 28 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  15. --Stryn (talk) 15:27, 29 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  16. This would be a big help since many changes in a short period of time can be made here on Wikidata. The Anonymouse (talk | contribs) 16:37, 29 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  17. Here, especially, there are many repetitive actions that would be required using this flag. Érico Wouters msg 20:18, 29 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  18. Strong support, specially for active user with (at least) over a hundred edits per day. -- Wagino 20100516 (talk) 10:24, 1 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  19. Really needed. Andreasm háblame / just talk to me 04:21, 2 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

No, do not enable the flood flag on Wikidata

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What should the flood flag be used for?

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The proper use of the flood flag should be according to Meta:Flood flag

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  1. --Rschen7754 00:55, 28 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Vogone talk 00:56, 28 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Techman224Talk 01:13, 28 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Courcelles (talk) 01:44, 28 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  5. — ΛΧΣ21 02:06, 28 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  6. --Bill william compton (talk) 04:16, 28 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  7. Legoktm (talk) 08:45, 28 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  8. --Steinsplitter (talk) 20:38, 28 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  9. --Stryn (talk) 15:27, 29 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  10. standard The Anonymouse (talk | contribs) 16:38, 29 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  11. Érico Wouters msg 20:18, 29 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  12. -- Wagino 20100516 (talk) 10:25, 1 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  13. Andreasm háblame / just talk to me 04:27, 2 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Who is allowed to hold the flood flag?

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All users can hold the flood flag

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  1. Vogone talk 00:35, 28 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Yes, but only if non-admins get it from bureaucrats. Techman224Talk 01:13, 28 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Per Techman, like Trans. Admin., admins should be able to grant and remove from themselves only, crats should control everything else. Courcelles (talk) 01:45, 28 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  4. --Rschen7754 01:49, 28 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  5. with the rules set out by Techman and Courcelles. TCN7JM 03:01, 28 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  6. per Courcelles' suggestion.--Bill william compton (talk) 04:18, 28 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  7. --Steinsplitter (talk) 20:38, 28 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  8. per Courcelles. --Stryn (talk) 15:27, 29 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  9. could be useful for anybody The Anonymouse (talk | contribs) 16:40, 29 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  10. Érico Wouters msg 20:19, 29 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  11. -- Wagino 20100516 (talk) 10:25, 1 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    This comment does not make any sense regarding to your comments below. Could you check, whether your comment is really on under the right section? I suppose, it belongs to #Only administrators can hold the flood flag. Kind regards, Vogone talk 15:30, 1 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Only administrators can hold the flood flag

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Who can grant the flood flag?

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Administrators

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Administrators can self-grant and revoke the flood flag

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  1. Vogone talk 00:35, 28 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  2. Rschen7754 01:01, 28 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Techman224Talk 01:13, 28 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Courcelles (talk) 01:45, 28 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  5. — ΛΧΣ21 02:07, 28 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  6. --Bill william compton (talk) 04:19, 28 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  7. Legoktm (talk) 08:45, 28 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  8. Definitely.--Jasper Deng (talk) 18:20, 28 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  9. --Steinsplitter (talk) 20:31, 28 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  10. --Stryn (talk) 15:27, 29 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  11. admins will be trusted enough with it. The Anonymouse (talk | contribs) 16:41, 29 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  12. Érico Wouters msg 20:19, 29 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  13. -- Wagino 20100516 (talk) 10:26, 1 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  14. Sure, Andreasm háblame / just talk to me 04:33, 2 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Administrators have no control over the flood flag right management

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Translation administrators

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Translation administrators can self-grant and revoke the flood flag

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Vogone talk 00:35, 28 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  1. Support weakly, but I see the utility in giving them this ability. Courcelles (talk) 01:46, 28 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    — ΛΧΣ21 02:07, 28 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    I don't see anything wrong with it, but tbh, I haven't seen much flooding from translation admins. Legoktm (talk) 08:50, 28 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  2. --Steinsplitter (talk) 20:30, 28 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  3. trans. admins will be trusted enough with it. The Anonymouse (talk | contribs) 16:42, 29 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    No! Because We have over 60 admins here for now and going to growth so I think We can handle it. -- Wagino 20100516 (talk) 10:34, 1 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Translation administrators have no control over the flood flag right management

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  1. Since we have a working Translation Notification Bot now, I see no reason for giving translation administrators this ability, anymore. Regards, Vogone talk 07:14, 29 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  2. --Rschen7754 07:17, 29 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    Err, are you opposing that they have no control so saying that they should have some control? Legoktm (talk) 16:50, 29 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    Since the  Support/ Oppose template does not make that much sense here, I have removed it from all statements. Using them is just confusing. @Rschen7754: If your vote is at the wrong side now, correct it, please. Thanks for understanding, Vogone talk 17:00, 29 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Since the bot works, its not really needed. Anyways, a crat can still give out the flag if needed. Legoktm (talk) 16:50, 29 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  4. -- Wagino 20100516 (talk) 10:27, 1 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  5. Per Legoktm, Andreasm háblame / just talk to me 04:32, 2 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Bureaucrats

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Bureaucrats can grant and revoke the flood flag to all accounts

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  1. Vogone talk 00:35, 28 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  2. --Jasper Deng (talk) 00:40, 28 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  3. Techman224Talk 01:13, 28 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Courcelles (talk) 01:45, 28 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  5. --Rschen7754 01:49, 28 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  6. — ΛΧΣ21 02:07, 28 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  7. - TCN7JM 02:44, 28 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  8. --Bill william compton (talk) 04:20, 28 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  9. Conny (talk) 14:46, 28 April 2013 (UTC).[reply]
  10. Legoktm (talk) 18:24, 28 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  11. --Steinsplitter (talk) 20:30, 28 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  12. --Stryn (talk) 15:27, 29 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  13. of course The Anonymouse (talk | contribs) 16:43, 29 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  14. Érico Wouters msg 21:15, 29 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  15. -- Wagino 20100516 (talk) 10:28, 1 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
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I looked through m:Meta:Flood flag and didn't see anything about when/why crats would be giving out the flag to non-admin accounts. I'm trying to think of various reasons why non-admins would need to flood, and each time I just think it would be better to give them a bot flag. Legoktm (talk) 08:55, 28 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Personal experience. ;-) I once messed up metawiki's RecentChanges with sending translation notifications and no bureaucrat was able to grant me the flood flag. A steward had to grant it to my account, at the end. After this incident, also metawiki 'crats got the ability to grant the flood flag to every account. Regards, Vogone talk 12:20, 28 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, I found the discussion and the arguments made there make sense to me. Though it seems they forgot to lock you... ;-) Legoktm (talk) 18:24, 28 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Bureaucrats can remove the flood flag from all accounts only

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Bureaucrats have no control over the flood flag right management

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Flooder

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All users who hold the flood flag can revoke it from their own account

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  1. Vogone talk 18:18, 28 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  2. - note that this only permits them to remove it from themselves, not from others, and doesn't allow them to grant it to anyone.--Jasper Deng (talk) 18:19, 28 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  3. There is literally 0 way to abuse this since they can't grant the right to themselves, but it means that a user doesn't have to wait for a crat to unflag them before they can edit normally. Legoktm (talk) 18:23, 28 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  4. Great idea. Courcelles (talk) 18:34, 28 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  5. sure. --Rschen7754 20:14, 28 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  6. sure --Steinsplitter (talk) 20:29, 28 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  7. per Legoktm. Regards, FrigidNinja 00:36, 29 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  8. it's wise. --Stryn (talk) 15:27, 29 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  9. very good idea since users with the flood flag don't have to wait for a bureaucrat to remove it The Anonymouse (talk | contribs) 16:45, 29 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  10. It is logical and saves time of administrators/bureaucrats. Érico Wouters msg 20:50, 29 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  11. Andreasm háblame / just talk to me 04:29, 2 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  12. The only serious problem I see in this, is that the flag stays on to long, and it is prevented if the flagowner can unflag herself. - Lavallen (block) 16:44, 3 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Flood flag holders have no control over the flood flag right management

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  1. For admin yes but for other users no, because We have over 60 admins here for now and going to growth. -- Wagino 20100516 (talk) 10:30, 1 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    The result of this RFC as it stands would require a bureaucrat to remove a flag, not an admin, and we only have four bureaucrats. (Though I could see an argument for making a section to allow admins the ability to remove but not grant, this flag.) Courcelles (talk) 16:10, 1 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    The proposal is already to give admins the ability to remove the flag from their own account. So I see no need for such a section, to be honest. All flag holders can remove the flag from their own account if the result does not change, regardless whether they are admin or not. Regards, Vogone talk 16:22, 1 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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