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Q30978028

Q30978028: no description: (delete | history | links | entity usage | logs)

Spam Hsarrazin (talk) 23:01, 27 June 2017 (UTC)

  Deleted by Eurodyne (talk • contribs • logs) --DeltaBot (talk) 06:10, 28 June 2017 (UTC)

Q31029704

Élisabeth Sophie Chéron (Q31029704): painter and musician from France (1648-1711): (delete | history | links | entity usage | logs)

Already exists (with an accent on the E). Rookie error --Remi Mathis (talk) 09:29, 28 June 2017 (UTC)

  Done Redirect created by Jared Preston, you can do it yourself next time. --DeltaBot (talk) 09:40, 28 June 2017 (UTC)

Bulk deletion request: Chaneyverse

  1. Q4742701 (delete | history | links | logs)
  2. Q4880863 (delete | history | links | logs)
  3. Q12124713 (delete | history | links | logs)
  4. Q12125125 (delete | history | links | logs)
  5. Q7720274 (delete | history | links | logs)
  6. Q7739552 (delete | history | links | logs)
  7. Q8045794 (delete | history | links | logs) (all on TAB)

Short reason: All violate WD:Notability policy. None have related wiki articles, none are linked by other Wikidata items.

Semi-short reason: These Wikidata items were created as blind bot-imports cited to "English Wikipedia". The EnWiki community, Commons, and other sites have easily wasted over a hundred hours investigating and cleaning up this mess. We call it the Chaneyverse, as all of the content relates to Warren Chaney. Over 100 images and a dozen articles have been deleted. Many of the images turned out to be photoshopped, and there is serious doubt that other images contain what they claim to show. The content was contributed by a single person, and that person used sockpuppet accounts to provide false confirmation of the information. The articles contained literally hundreds of refs, which all turned out to be irrelevant, misrepresentations, cites to user-generated-sites, cites private websites directly tied to Warren Chaney, or were otherwise non-credible. Note: IMDB is one of many sites that were affected. IMDB has done a partial, but badly incomplete, cleanup job. IMDB and any other user-generated-content site cannot be trusted. Even apparently credible sources require extreme critical examination. For example see this apparently credible PDF business documentation. Then examine the tie of the second man from the left, which has an obvious photoshop error. You cannot trust apparently solid documentation. Deep investigation has shown specific information is contradictory, has been directly denied by the claimed source, fails to appear in Reliable Sources that should contain it, or is otherwise incredible (as in explicitly not-credible). Some of the information appears to have some basis in reality. However it is at best not very Notable, and it has been nearly impossible to separate reality from hyperbole or outright fiction.

For the long explanation you can view the extensive EnWiki investigation work and cleanup effort at EN:User:Rhododendrites/Chaney and the related talk page. For a more humorous read, see Gawker reporting on the EnWiki deletion of Magic Mansion. All of the images in that story are photophops. Magic Mansion was the article that spawned this cleanup project. Alsee (talk) 22:12, 27 June 2017 (UTC)

For ease of reference (after spending considerable time untangling these tangled webs of nonsense, I know it's easy to lose track of what's what):
Q4742701 - America: A Call to Greatness
Q4880863 - Behind the Mask
Q12124713 - Haunted
Q12125125 - Into the Spider's Web
Q7720274 - The Broken Spur
Q7739552 - The Hidden Jungle
Q8045794 - Y2K – World in Crisis
Others of interest.
Q7970106 - Warren Chaney (not nominated for deletion)
— Rhododendrites talk \\ 00:09, 28 June 2017 (UTC)


  Deleted by Lymantria (talk • contribs • logs) --10:43, 28 June 2017 (UTC)

Q12338848

theatre studies (Q12338848): scientific study of theatrical phenomena from ancient times to the present day: (delete | history | links | entity usage | logs)

Moved to Q960543 Kind regards,  Rodejong  💬 ✉️  06:57, 28 June 2017 (UTC)

  Done Redirect created by Lymantria, you can do it yourself next time. --DeltaBot (talk) 10:50, 28 June 2017 (UTC)

Q31002257

Q31002257: no description: (delete | history | links | entity usage | logs)

Template subpage
--- Jura 10:21, 28 June 2017 (UTC)

  Deleted by Lymantria (talk • contribs • logs) --DeltaBot (talk) 10:50, 28 June 2017 (UTC)

Q27525403 and chess players without a title in general

Q27525403: no description: (delete | history | links | entity usage | logs)

Player has no chess title and no interwiki link, which renders him not notable. --Steak (talk) 13:32, 29 May 2017 (UTC)

The item has an external id (WD:N, #2), I’d tend to   Keep; other opinions? —MisterSynergy (talk) 07:14, 30 May 2017 (UTC)
There is some sort of consensus in the WikiProject Chess that players without title are not notable (except something else makes them notable). A simple FIDE ID is surely nothing which makes somebody notable. Steak (talk) 09:51, 30 May 2017 (UTC)
Addendum: Having items for people like this would contradict any notability criteria, and thus one needs to define an lower limit up to which a player is notable. Steak (talk) 17:38, 30 May 2017 (UTC)
What would I have to do to get an entry there? —MisterSynergy (talk) 18:57, 30 May 2017 (UTC)
You would have to participate in an Elo rated tournament (List of tournaments in June). E.g. you could have participated at the recent Grenke Chess Open in Karlsruhe (without rating you would have played in the C Division). Steak (talk) 19:12, 30 May 2017 (UTC)
  Keep The person in question has a ELO rating over 2300, which makes him a FIDE Master and one of the top 10,000 chess players. The import of the chess players happened with a ELO cut-off and I think that was a fine way of deciding which data to import. ChristianKl (talk) 10:19, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
No, this guy is not a FIDE master. If he would be, it would be indicated in the FIDE profile. But it says "FIDE title None". It is a common misunderstanding that the Elo rating is directly associated with titles. The relation is, at best, indirect. Steak (talk) 13:02, 6 June 2017 (UTC)
Yes, I picked an elo treshold and imported the above player (and others) in October last year. Some time after that Steak started rightly questioning the notability of players which have "only" ELO higher than 2300 but have no (FIDE) title. I admit he has a case and it is logical to base notability on acquired titles, not elo ratings alone. Wesalius (talk) 07:23, 17 June 2017 (UTC)
Can you estimate how many player items are affected by this assessment? —MisterSynergy (talk) 07:26, 17 June 2017 (UTC)
Well, you can roughly query this. This query gives all players without a title statement:
#Chess players without a title statement
SELECT ?players ?playersLabel
WHERE
{
    ?players wdt:P106 wd:Q10873124 .
    MINUS { ?players wdt:P2962 [] } .
	SERVICE wikibase:label { bd:serviceParam wikibase:language "en" }
}
Try it!

But this does not mean that all of these players are not notable. Many of those are actually notable, but for some other reason, and which have an item because they have a wikipedia article somewhere. You could narrow this down by filtering for those which have no interwiki link (I don't know how to do this). There may be further players which have no title statement and no interwiki, but who have titles but without being stated yet. Steak (talk) 09:19, 17 June 2017 (UTC)

Thanks. A modified version of this query excludes items with (any number of) sitelinks, and items which are in use by other items: 
#Chess players without a title statement
SELECT ?player ?playerLabel WHERE {
  ?player wdt:P106 wd:Q10873124 .
  MINUS { ?player wdt:P2962 [] } .
  OPTIONAL {
    ?sitelink schema:about ?player .
  }
  FILTER(!BOUND(?sitelink)) .
  MINUS { ?otheritem ?anyprop ?player }
  SERVICE wikibase:label { bd:serviceParam wikibase:language "en" }
}
Try it!
Still 1314 items. Is there any possibility that title information (by title of chess person (P2962)) is missing in these items? If so, could it be imported automatically? —MisterSynergy (talk) 09:25, 17 June 2017 (UTC)
I checked a few, and there are indeed some where the title is missing. However, it seems not to be so easy to import the title from the FIDE profile, see e.g. User_talk:HypoBOT and User_talk:Simon_Villeneuve#Titles_of_chess_players. Steak (talk) 09:31, 17 June 2017 (UTC)
@MisterSynergy: Could you add to the query results a column with a link to the FIDE profile? This would make checking much easier. Steak (talk) 08:13, 18 June 2017 (UTC)
Hat sich erledigt, habs selbst hinbekommen.
#Chess players without a title statement
SELECT ?player ?playerLabel ?link WHERE {
  wd:P1440 wdt:P1630 ?formatterurl .
  ?player wdt:P106 wd:Q10873124 .
  MINUS { ?player wdt:P2962 [] } .
  OPTIONAL {
    ?sitelink schema:about ?player .
  }
  FILTER(!BOUND(?sitelink)) .
  MINUS { ?otheritem ?anyprop ?player }
  ?player wdt:P1440 ?fideid .
  BIND(IRI(REPLACE(?fideid, '^(.+)$', ?formatterurl)) AS ?link).
  SERVICE wikibase:label { bd:serviceParam wikibase:language "en" }
}
ORDER BY ASC(?playerLabel)
Try it!

Steak (talk) 09:17, 18 June 2017 (UTC)

I checked the first 100 in this query (up to and including Q27530075). Can somebody please delete them? Steak (talk) 19:24, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
No reaction so far :( I checked the second 100. So all items up to and including Q27531866 can be deleted. @MisterSynergy, Pasleim, ChristianKl, Queryzo:. Steak (talk) 15:22, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
In my opinion, the Elo based criteria for importing data is fine and there's no need to delete any items. ChristianKl (talk) 15:57, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
The Elo rating is absolutely not a good criterion, because it is inflationary over time (Elo ratings were never planned to be comparable over years or decades). Furthermore, the importing would be very cumbersome. It is not sufficient to just take those players which have currently over 2300 rating, but one would need to check every single Elo list in the last almost 50 years. Besides that, a title is permanent, while Elo ratings change all the time. And, last but not least, Elo ratings for women are throughout lower. So we would need another lower limit for women. For example, for the grandmaster title a rating is 2500 is usually necessary (not always, and not sufficient), while for the woman grandmaster title, only rating of 2300 is usually necessary (not always, and it's also not sufficient). Steak (talk) 21:18, 22 June 2017 (UTC)
I don't think there's any problem if Wikidata considers more male chess players notable than woman players. More importantly, I don't think you have made a case that Wikidata is worse off when it includes entries for those players. ChristianKl (talk) 17:50, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
I am not saying that Wikidata is worse off. But then please give a reason why to choose rating 2300 as notability criterion. This is even more arbitrary than having a title as criterion. Steak (talk) 21:19, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
By the way, having a title has an effect at tournaments: Titled players pay less or no entry fee (example 1, example 2) and are also often separately listed in the participants section (example). In contrast, there is no such criterion for Elo ratings. So having the titles as notability criterion would mirror the actual regard that titled players have in chess tournaments. You completely misjudge the distinction between titled and untitled players in the all-day chess circus. Did you ever play chess in a club or at tournaments? Steak (talk) 18:30, 26 June 2017 (UTC)
  Not deleted Notabilty criteria do not mention any Elo-rating or necessity to have a chess title. Clearly there is no consensus to delete the proposed items. Apart from missing consensus, I must stress that notability criterion #2 applies, as FIDE gives a reliable source. That some practical restriction was used to import only playsers with ELO-rating of at least 2300, does not change that. It does not make this ELO-rating boundary a new notability criterion. Lymantria (talk) 11:43, 28 June 2017 (UTC)

Q30688722

John Davies of Nercwys (Q30688722): Welsh Calvinistic Methodist minister: (delete | history | links | entity usage | logs)

Exists as Q20733384 --John Jones (talk) 16:11, 28 June 2017 (UTC)

  Done Redirect created by PLbot, you can do it yourself next time. --DeltaBot (talk) 16:20, 28 June 2017 (UTC)

Q21492056

Q21492056: no description: (delete | history | links | entity usage | logs)

Non notable subpage GZWDer (talk) 11:49, 28 June 2017 (UTC)

  Deleted by Jared Preston (talk • contribs • logs) --DeltaBot (talk) 18:10, 28 June 2017 (UTC)

Q3210751

Mummy (Q3210751): Wikimedia disambiguation page: (delete | history | links | entity usage | logs)

The same as Q231367 but empty --Elialbert94 (talk) 17:03, 28 June 2017 (UTC)

  Done Redirect created by PLbot, you can do it yourself next time. --DeltaBot (talk) 18:20, 28 June 2017 (UTC)

Q19616599

Mummy (Q19616599): Wikimedia disambiguation page: (delete | history | links | entity usage | logs)

The same as Q231367 but empty --Elialbert94 (talk) 17:06, 28 June 2017 (UTC)

  Done Redirect created by PLbot, you can do it yourself next time. --DeltaBot (talk) 18:20, 28 June 2017 (UTC)

Q1033427

Cinderella (Q1033427): Wikimedia disambiguation page: (delete | history | links | entity usage | logs)

The item is blank --Elialbert94 (talk) 18:04, 28 June 2017 (UTC)

  Done Redirect created by PLbot, you can do it yourself next time. --DeltaBot (talk) 18:20, 28 June 2017 (UTC)

Q31074997

Prince George, Duke of Cumberland (Q31074997): husband of Queen Anne, who reigned over Great Britain from 1702: (delete | history | links | entity usage | logs)

Exist Q317499 --Llumeureka (talk) 18:06, 28 June 2017 (UTC)

  Done Redirect created by Jared Preston, you can do it yourself next time. --DeltaBot (talk) 18:40, 28 June 2017 (UTC)

Q31034532

Q31034532: no description: (delete | history | links | entity usage | logs)

Template subpage
--- Jura 18:43, 28 June 2017 (UTC)

  Deleted by Jared Preston (talk • contribs • logs) --DeltaBot (talk) 18:50, 28 June 2017 (UTC)

Q31034337

Q31034337: no description: (delete | history | links | entity usage | logs)

Template subpage
--- Jura 18:44, 28 June 2017 (UTC)

  Deleted by Jared Preston (talk • contribs • logs) --DeltaBot (talk) 18:50, 28 June 2017 (UTC)

Q31034433

Q31034433: no description: (delete | history | links | entity usage | logs)

Template subpage
--- Jura 18:44, 28 June 2017 (UTC)

  Deleted by Jared Preston (talk • contribs • logs) --DeltaBot (talk) 18:50, 28 June 2017 (UTC)

Q31084866

Q31084866: no description: (delete | history | links | entity usage | logs)

Found older item with different spelling of name. This one can be deleted and I will add alternate labels to original item instead. --PeterKz (talk) 18:48, 28 June 2017 (UTC)

  Deleted by Jared Preston (talk • contribs • logs) --DeltaBot (talk) 21:00, 28 June 2017 (UTC)
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