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Ping project for Lexicographical data
Hi everyone,
I'm notifying manually some of the most prolific user for Lexemes @Fnielsen, Jon Harald Søby, Mahir256, Bodhisattwa, Nikki: @KaMan, Jsamwrites, 白布飘扬, So9q, Hameryko: (according to this SQL query).
There is a very useful template called {{Ping project}}. Why don't we create one for the Lexicographical data (it's not exactly a project per se but close enough). Since this template is limited (on purpose) to 50 people, I'm not sure what is the best way to go: a list per language? and/or maybe a list for the most involved people (for modelling data themselves regardless of the language).
What do you think?
PS: there is also the {{User LexData}} template for those who wants to put it on their use page.
Cheers, VIGNERON (talk) 11:20, 14 August 2022 (UTC)
- Hello! Cool idea! As you say, several lists: one general for people who are interested in the whole lexicographical data project, and one per language. By the way, your SQL query is quite wrong. Here is a fixed one. Cheers, — Envlh (talk) 12:20, 14 August 2022 (UTC)
- Cool idea. Where can I sign up? So9q (talk) 13:53, 7 September 2022 (UTC)
Predicate for -> prediction for missing translations and synonyms
Hi, I have started to use predicate for (P9970) on verbs and I absolutely love it! (big thanks to @Mahir256:) Ordia supports it now as well (thanks to @Fnielsen:) and that enables you to lookup senses in other lexemes that are a predicate for the same concept. Very nice! I was thinking that it would be valuable with a user script that looks up predicates and suggest to the user adding a translation between the two senses. Also it could be used to find synonyms between the lexeme senses in the same language like these two in esperanto: apogi (L701452) validigi (L701453)
WDYT? Cheers So9q (talk) 09:12, 7 September 2022 (UTC)
Characterizing lexemes and forms
I am unsure how to best annotate about the use of syncope (Q1136950) in a derivation or an inflection/conjugations. syncope (Q1136950) can appear during the derivation from another word, e.g., hygiejnisk (L37305) is derived with a syncope (Q1136950). Currently I have added a has characteristic (P1552) => syncope (Q1136950) on the lexeme level. But it could perhaps also make use of mode of derivation (P5886). enkel (L36451) has inflections where there are syncope (Q1136950). Currently I use has characteristic (P1552) => syncope (Q1136950) on the form level. Is that an appropriate use? — Finn Årup Nielsen (fnielsen) (talk) 20:10, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
- I have a bit more examples of the problems with consonant reduction (Q112915481) (consonant disappearance) and consonant doubling (Q112915196), see, e.g., Danish lexemes and forms skæg (L235661) and datter (L36822). — Finn Årup Nielsen (fnielsen) (talk) 12:35, 5 July 2022 (UTC)
- I believe that these are (sub)properties of combines lexemes (P5238) so they should be not as main properties of lexeme but as qualifiers to P:P5238. --Infovarius (talk) 13:47, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
- Hmm, I don't exactly know this case but here some remarks that I hop useful.
- The lexeme level hygiejnisk (L37305)has characteristic (P1552)syncope (Q1136950) feels wrong, the lexeme don't "has quality", only its formation. The form level L:L31494#F2 also feels wrong (for the same reason).
- Infovarius tried hygiejnisk (L37305)combines lexemes (P5238)hygiejne (L37304)
uses (P2283)syncope (Q1136950) . I'm not entirely sure for uses (P2283) but it feels way better and at least in the right direction. - Cheers, VIGNERON (talk) 09:23, 14 July 2022 (UTC)
- The use of a qualifier for combines lexemes (P5238) does not work where the syncope (Q1136950) is between forms, see enkel (L36451). I suppose that it syncope (Q1136950) is also in relation to something and sometimes it might be argued that the inverse process is the primary, e.g., is the root of "enkel" actually "enkl" and the word has gained a vowel rather than loose a vowel? — Finn Årup Nielsen (fnielsen) (talk) 08:21, 12 September 2022 (UTC)
2 useful scripts for making your lexeme editing faster
I often encounter missing lexemes when I edit Swedish and Esperanto lexemes and I found that being able to create the lexeme directly from the a menu to the left or dropdown is very useful. I highly encourage you to try these 2 scripts out:
They are both beta software. Feel free to suggest improvements or play with a fork yourself. Please link back if you fork, so others can find your code. Cheers So9q (talk) 09:16, 7 September 2022 (UTC)
- Thank you So9q, I forked your second script to have only some links related to french language (I also modified it to use
mw.util.addPortletLink
- For the French language, I also made User:Envlh/FrenchLexemes.js that suggests one-click improvements (gender when missing for a noun, group when missing for a verb, etc.). Cheers, — Envlh (talk) 09:34, 25 September 2022 (UTC)