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Hi Eva, I have moved your question at Wikidata:Request a query to Wikidata:Project chat#Web of Sciences Qualifier because it was misplaced. The former page is for requesting queries while Project chat is for any discussion with relation to Wikidata. Best Regards, Dipsacus fullonum (talk) 20:12, 22 June 2020 (UTC)
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- Dear Eva,
- I write here to ask if you have solved the matter. If not, I will be honoured to debug the source code with you.
- Yours Sincerely,
- --Csisc (talk) 09:07, 22 August 2020 (UTC)
- @Csisc: Thank you for reaching out for me! I was on vacation during the last week. In the meantime, I reduced the json file for creating the item I like to modify with the bot. The error message then disappeared when I tried to create it. Instead, I got the message again, that I do not have the bot rights to change the Wikibase instance. I thought the test instance is made for testing? Where do I get the bot rights for the test instance? --Eva (talk) 14:23, 26 August 2020 (CET)
- I managed to solve it myself by unflagging as bot: wb config bot false --Eva (talk) 18:43, 28 August 2020 (CET)
I saw that you proposed several presentations for WikiCite 2020 here. I ask if you can group them in a four hour session as we did here. This will let easy the inclusion of your seven presentations in the final program of WikiCite 2020.
--Dear @Csisc:, I cleared up our entries in the planning document and made one session from the entries with Jens, Christian and Philipp. The session with Andrea, Andrea, Jakob (Cocoda) and Daniel needs to stay separately. Thank you for organizing! EvaSeidlmayer) 14:46, 14 October 2020 (UTC)
Would you have time for a coffee and chat about data imports from ORCID at some point during the WikiCite conference next week? I've been working on bulk imports of employer (P108) and educated at (P69) claims from ORCID for almost two years and will be presenting on the topic on day 1. Having made many 100,000s of edits while working on this task, I am familiar with the problems that one encounters during reconciliation. For example, there are ~64,000 Ringgold IDs in Wikidata and 400,000+ available in ORCID per Aligned ISNI and Ringgold identifiers for institutions (Q64159407) (with errors to be found on both sides!).
It would be remiss of me not to tell you in advance what I'll be speaking about as it seems closely related to your presentation. Happy to share knowledge if that'd be helpful.
Dear @Sic19:, great, I will definitely attending your session and talk! Sorry for being a little bit reluctant proposing a date for a virtual coffee as I am super occupied next week with the conference and also the Wikidata Workshop (https://wikidataworkshop.github.io/) on Thursday. Maybe let us see how the next week is going. Thanks for thinking of me regarding this! Eva Eva (User:EvaSeidlmayer ; talk page) 17:37, 21 October 2020 (UTC)
Hello @Sic19:! I really enjoyed your talk at the virtual WikiCite conference last month on author items! Sorry, I was really overwhelmed by the conference tasks I had to fulfill. However, now I really would like to know how you compiled the data for the diagram on the few statements on the recently created (=high Q-ID) author items (around min 40 in the video in YouTube)? Did you retrieved the data from the Query service? I would like to reuse and cite your diagram for a talk at Semantic Web in Library (SWIB) conference  to argue for our approach, which focus on the improvement of existing data instead of introducing even more items (which is also nice to have). Would this be okay for you? I could use the screenshot of your talk and will do a little advertising for the recording... :)
I've noticed that you've been adding authors to some items I've aded (e.g., A New Tribe of Tropiduchidae (Hemiptera: Fulgoroidea) with Revision of the genus Buca and Description of Asymmetric Hind Leg Spinulation (Q99657473). This is great, many thanks for fleshing these items out. I'm curious as to why you're leaving the author name string (P2093) property for those authors? When I add authors I remove the corresponding author name string (P2093) (and usually add a object stated as (P1932) qualifier with the original name string). Automated tools such as the Author Disambiguator do this as well. If we have both author (P50) and author name string (P2093) for the same author then this is potentially going to confuse queries for lists of authors for a given article. Let me know what you think. Rod Rdmpage (talk) 22:21, 17 November 2020 (UTC)
- Hey @Rdmpage:,
thank you for this helpful remark! I just didn't think about it. Currently, the bot adds object stated as (P1932) and author (P50) to a publication item. I will change the code so it will remove the author name string (P2093) in the same step, as you suggested it. Thank you! Regards! Eva (User:EvaSeidlmayer ; talk page) 17:48, 18 November 2020 (UTC)
- I also appreciate that you're disambiguating authors. I ask that you add the series ordinal (P1545). If I can suggest, consider using Author Disambiguator tool or Orcidator. Trilotat (talk) 23:11, 17 November 2020 (UTC)
- Hey @Trilotat:,
the matching of authors to paper items is generated by the reliable data from ORCID data base: Since the authors in ORCID claim their publications as their own work no author disambiguation is needed. The authors, on the other hand, are identified in Wikidata with their ORCID ID. Therefore, we can be sure to add them (their Q-ID) using author (P50) to their own publication(s). Only those author/publication pairs are established where both author item as well as the publication item already exist in Wikidata in order not to flood Wikidata with thin information. Unfortunately, the ORCID data do not list the order of the authors. Therefore I cannot add the series ordinal (P1545) statement. At least I could not find such a statement. Although, we still regard the matching of publications and authors as an improvement. Thank you for the suggestion! Best Regards! Eva (User:EvaSeidlmayer ; talk page) 17:52, 18 November 2020 (CET)
@EvaSeidlmayer: Can I ask you to consider stopping disambiguating authors until you resolve these two issues:
- handling author name strings
- preserving series ordinal (P1545)
For example, for The taxonomic identity of the neglected Racomitrium stenocladum (Bryophyta, Grimmiaceae) (Q100692651) you have added Jesús Muñoz (Q80116299) as an author but "JESÚS MUÑOZ" is still there as author name string (P2093). Note that "JESÚS MUÑOZ" has a value for series ordinal (P1545), so I think the best thing for you (or your bot) to do is:
- create author (P50) for the author
- add series ordinal (P1545) from the author name string (P2093) to the author (P50) property value created in (1)
- add object stated as (P1932) as a qualifier to the author (P50) property value, in this example "JESÚS MUÑOZ" so others can see the evidence for the link.
- once this information (and any other information such as affiliation (P1416)has been transfer to the author (P50) entry then you can delete the author name string (P2093) entry.
I realise that ORCID lacks accurate author information, but often this information is available in the Wikidata item. So you can use ORCID to help disambiguate the author and still retain the additional information. If you don't do this you are losing information that people like me have taken pains to add (e.g., series ordinal (P1545) ). As others have pointed out there are tools that do this already that perhaps you could consider using. Rdmpage (talk) 18:17, 18 November 2020 (UTC)
I doubt a bot can deal with all cases but sure it can be improved:
- Given an publication, for each if its identified authors:
- Find a uniquely matching author name string (P2093) statement (this is the difficult step and may not always work)
- If no unique match is found, just add a simple author (P50) as done now (or better skip, unless there is no author name string (P2093) statement?). Otherwise:
- take the value of author name string (P2093) as object stated as (P1932) qualifier for new author (P50) statement
- take the value of series ordinal (P1545) qualifier of author name string (P2093) statement (if given) for new author (P50) statement
- skip if there are more qualifiers at the author name string (P2093) statement to not loose any information
I am not sure how to best deal with references. An existing reference at author name string (P2093) statement does not necessarily support a author (P50) statement, it's only a reference for the object stated as (P1932) qualifier. -- JakobVoss (talk) 07:40, 19 November 2020 (UTC)
P.S: Why not create another bot (or another script with same bot account) to run through all publications that have both author (P50) statement and author name string (P2093) statement and merge those statements by moving series ordinal (P1545) qualifiers from author name string (P2093) to author (P50)? -- JakobVoss (talk) 07:50, 19 November 2020 (UTC)
- Another solution would be to leave those publications out of the bot action, relating them to their authors adding author (P50), where a series ordinal (P1545) is stated. I harvested all series ordinal (P1545) from the current Wikidata data dump (https://dumps.wikimedia.org/wikidatawiki/entities/, status November, 5). In total there are 195635 series ordinal (P1545) in total. Including also non-publication-author related stuff as November (Q125) where series ordinal (P1545) "11" refers to its place in the row of months. Other examples: United Nations Security Council Resolution 35 (Q44046), St. Andreas (Q49596), Ceratizit Challenge by La Vuelta 2020, stage 3 (Q100706063). Eva (User:EvaSeidlmayer ; talk page) 12:38, 19 November 2020 (CET)
I don't want to confuse this particular discussion of this issue, but I'd like to remove the author name string (P2093) where it is a duplicate of a named author (P50), specifically Thierry Bourgoin (Q19858639). May I do so? Trilotat (talk) 16:32, 24 October 2021 (UTC)
- Hey Thierry Bourgoin please go ahead and remove author name string (P2093) where it accompanies author (P50). As stated above the simultaneous statement will cause some problems in downstream tools. This is also why I stopped the first version of the bot. The improved version will take care of the problem and remove author name string (P2093) directly when introducing author (P50). Eva (talk) 10:23, 6 January 2022 (UTC)
First, thanks again for your efforts to at authors to articles. Second, I see you've added some authors who are not specifically named as authors on those papers, but I presume they are part of the team that is named as an author. When a scholarly article lists a team as an author and team members list the article on their ORCID page, I wonder if there's should be a standard way to note them as authors so as to state the reference (since it's not apparent from the article if it doesn't list the team members). If the individual author isn't credited individually as as an author on the paper (but is part of the credited team), I think editors should add series ordinal (P1545), object stated as (P1932) the team named, and adding ORCID as a reference, as stated in (P248) ORCID Public Data File 2020 (Q104707600), ORCID iD (P496) the author's ORCID ID, and the date you retrieved it. What do you think of this method for adding these unspecified authors? Trilotat (talk) 16:17, 24 October 2021 (UTC)