Wikidata:Property proposal/Astrological sign

zodiac sign edit

Originally proposed at Wikidata:Property proposal/Person

Withdrawn

Description	zodiac sign of this character or person as defined by occidental astrology
Represents	occidental astrological sign (Q1795024)
Data type	Item
Domain	fictional character (Q95074), human (Q5)
Allowed values	Aries (Q32067), Taurus (Q164016), Gemini (Q129214), Cancer (Q161701), Leo (Q159816), Virgo (Q134061), Libra (Q134394), Scorpio (Q134398), Sagittarius (Q2194186), Capricorn (Q164272), Aquarius (Q162119), Pisces (Q1254190)
Example 1	Bella Goth (Q6098819) > Cancer (Q161701)
Example 2	Ichabod Specter (Q62391616) > Aquarius (Q162119)
Example 3	Maki Sugawa (Q11535776) > Taurus (Q164016)
See also	date of birth (P569), birthday (P3150)

Motivation edit

Intended for persons or character where no date of birth (P569) or birthday (P3150) are known Trade (talk) 11:51, 25 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Valentina.Anitnelav: Thoughts?--Trade (talk) 11:58, 25 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion edit

Neutral – but if implemented, a constraint should be in place disallowing date of birth (P569) and birthday (P3150) on the same item. --Emu (talk) 14:04, 25 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Support - this might be relevant for fictional characters from some traditions. For (real) persons probably mostly for those without a birth date (if the astrological sign is reported by the individual). - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 11:03, 26 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral seems like a very special case, I dont see too much use here. I agree with Emu, it should be used sparingly when implemented. --Hannes Röst (talk) 20:41, 29 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose This is a partial oppose as signs are not encyclopedic. For example, I am personally offended when people say I have a sign (it is a kind of prejudice, after all). Fictional characters can have signs, though, if their fictional universe considers signs with real effects. I'd support that a property with a constraint for fictional entities and a requirement of a reference. TiagoLubiana (talk) 11:10, 30 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Weak support I agree with Emu's comment. --Tinker Bell ★ ♥ 21:14, 30 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Weak support but only for fictional characters or people who's birthdate is unknown --Shisma (talk) 18:24, 14 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not an expert. but what about non western zodiac signs? --Shisma (talk) 18:26, 14 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

- @Shisma: Good question. There are all sorts of differences between western and Chinese zodiac signs, but the main difference for Wikidata is that western zodiac signs work on a somewhat monthly basis while Chinese zodiac signs work on a somewhat yearly basis. So if somebody is a Capricorn, she may be born in 1980 or 1981 or any year which is somewhat realistic. Therefore, it’s impossible to use birthday (P3150) as it has an item datatype, that is, you can’t really be fuzzy about the exact date. However, if you are a Monkey in Chinese astrology, you can be born in 1980-ish – or in 1968-ish or 1992-ish. In most situations, it’s possible to assess if somebody is around 29 or around 40 or around 53 years old. Therefore we could use date of birth (P569) (point in time datatype) with earliest date (P1319) and latest date (P1326). --Emu (talk) 22:59, 14 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. For outside observers it would look as supporting pseudo science. The idea that sometimes a person might only report his or her astrological sign insted of date or year of birth seems irrelevant to me because this personal claim, being not based on any documents or evidences, is always unreliable. Андрей Романенко (talk) 16:56, 24 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Weak oppose Seems like a very narrow use case, open to abuse (we already have people abusing constellation (P59)), biased towards Western supersitions, and looks like we're supporting pseudo-science. Bovlb (talk) 01:26, 9 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Weak support This property might be interesting for a person having in his/her knowledge graph a zodiac sign so the information that fans are searching is showing way more ealsely on search results. Also, other databses site already have a feature like this. – The preceding unsigned comment was added by Noecmm (talk • contribs) at 03:45, 29 December 2021 (UTC).[reply]
Weak oppose, if created it should be all astrological signs and not just zodiacal/occidental one and the constraint should be closely monitored so we don't end up with a de facto redundant use with other properties. Also references should strongly advised here (as this is personnal data, RGPD and all that, again like the properties for birth). Cheers, VIGNERON (talk) 15:16, 30 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Question do we have a good query that derives it from a person's date of birth or birthday statement? --- Jura 14:38, 4 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]