Wikidata:Property proposal/Commander

commanded by

Originally proposed at Wikidata:Property proposal/Organization

   Done: commanded by (P4791) (Talk and documentation)

Description	The commander of a military unit/army/security service
Represents	human (Q5)
Data type	Item
Template parameter	en:Infobox military unit, parameter: commander1...
Domain	military unit (Q176799) (and sub-domains)
Example	Air Force Space Command (Q407203) → John W. Raymond (Q6262488)
Planned use	he:Template:יחידה
See also	commander of (DEPRECATED) (P598), colonel-in-chief (P3460), authority (P797)

Motivation

I would like to suggest a property to be added to military units and security service for the commander. Eran (talk) 17:58, 29 March 2017 (UTC)

Discussion

•  Comment I added a few "see also".
  --- Jura 11:31, 19 April 2017 (UTC)
•  Support as proposed. Josh Baumgartner (talk) 18:02, 1 May 2017 (UTC)
• @Eran: Why isn't commander of (DEPRECATED) (P598) enough? Given the current name I also fear that users confuse it with commander of (DEPRECATED) (P598). ChristianKl (talk) 09:33, 26 May 2017 (UTC)
  • commander of (DEPRECATED) (P598) can only be used for entities with instance of (P31)=person (Q215627). So this property is assignment from the other direction. ChristianKl: As for the name you are right, but I couldn't think of a better name - Any better suggestion for name is more than welcome. Eran (talk) 13:11, 30 June 2017 (UTC)
    • @ערן: How about "has commander"? ChristianKl (talk) 13:38, 30 June 2017 (UTC)
      • @ChristianKl: sounds like boolean value :) Maybe "Commanded by" Eran (talk) 13:40, 30 June 2017 (UTC)
        • Okay, then we take "commanded by" for now. ChristianKl (talk) 19:42, 30 June 2017 (UTC)
•  Oppose. No need for an inverse of commander of (DEPRECATED) (P598). --Yair rand (talk) 23:56, 4 September 2017 (UTC)

• @Yair rand: Please explain why there is no need of inverse for P598, because this is definitely required to list the officers who commanded a military unit. Krishna Chaitanya Velaga (talk) 12:49, 2 December 2017 (UTC)
  • @Krishna Chaitanya Velaga: Adding a redundant property pointing the other direction does not help list the commanding officers. That information should already be there, using the commander of (DEPRECATED) (P598) property. Duplicating it does not make Wikidata more complete. --Yair rand (talk) 17:52, 3 December 2017 (UTC)

•  Support ديفيد عادل وهبة خليل 2 (talk) 15:15, 29 September 2017 (UTC)
•  Support This is definitely required. It is a significant data for military formations, has a big scope. --Krishna Chaitanya Velaga (talk) 16:23, 13 October 2017 (UTC)
•  Support Useful in many infoboxes on Wikipedia. Danrok (talk) 23:12, 23 October 2017 (UTC)
•  Oppose If needed extend domain of commander of (DEPRECATED) (P598) instead. -- JakobVoss (talk) 19:54, 11 November 2017 (UTC)
  • The property proposal here is the inverse of commander of (DEPRECATED) (P598), not a superset of it. Deryck Chan (talk) 12:54, 15 December 2017 (UTC)
•  Support Clearly needed Pmt (talk) 21:17, 19 November 2017 (UTC)
•  Support. I think Eran has demonstrated a plausible case for an inverse property for commander of (DEPRECATED) (P598) to be used in infoboxes about military units. Deryck Chan (talk) 12:54, 15 December 2017 (UTC)
• @ערן, Jura1, Joshbaumgartner, ChristianKl, Yair rand, Krishna Chaitanya Velaga: @ديفيد عادل وهبة خليل 2 , Danrok, JakobVoss, Pmt, Deryck Chan:  Done ArthurPSmith (talk) 15:00, 2 February 2018 (UTC)