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Wikidata:Property proposal/Norwegian historical register of persons ID

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Norwegian historical register of persons ID edit

Originally proposed at Wikidata:Property proposal/Authority control

DescriptionIdentificator for a person in the Norwegian historical register of persons
Representshistorical register of persons (Q25601729)
Data typeExternal identifier
Domainhuman (Q5) with country of citizenship (P27) : Norway (Q20)
Allowed valuespf\d+
Example
Sourcehttp://histreg.no/
Planned useAdd into template
Formatter URLhttps://www.digitalarkivet.no/$1
Motivation

Use as identificator for Norwegian persons

(Legg inn årsaken til forslaget for denne egenskapen her.) Pmt (talk) 22:03, 7 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion
  •   Support David (talk) 15:45, 8 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Having worked with the Norway census data for my own genealogy. This looks like his person ID only for the 1885 census. I believe an individual gets a new number in each census. I do not believe these numbers track someone from census to census, or any other records in the Norwegian state archive. Correct me if I am wrong. If so then we need to associate the string with a "point in time" property. --RAN (talk) 02:55, 9 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ): You are wrong. The ID is a permananent nuber for each norwegian historical person untill about 1964. Please follow the link to http://histreg.no/. heck for instance Einar Gerhardsen (Q164346) having pf01037045113601, born 1897. Breg Pmt (talk) 03:47, 9 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Your link only shows him in the 1885 census, can you give some more examples of people where the link shows us many documents. Your second example is for a single person in the 1900 census. I think these are permalinks to the person identified in each census, so you can return to that person in a census. When I add my historic family member to Familysearch and list their residence, I always add the permalink as a reference. They are not designed to tie a person to multiple documents the way that an authority control number does like their Familysearch ID. For Ole Mathias Pedersen (Q20679555) see Ole Mathias Pedersen at Familysearch (free registration needed). Familysearch has birth and marriage and death data, but not the Norway censuses. I wish they would be a true identifier! That would be awesome. They still can be useful but maybe as "described by url" qualified with "point in time". --RAN (talk) 04:35, 9 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Untill further information is provided from historical register of persons (Q25601729) I will ask to put the proposal to hold. BregPmt (talk) 15:25, 9 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Example
Here is the same person, my great grandfather, and his permalink in each of the censuses. That would be awesome if this was automated by AI as is done in Familysearch, but Familysearch only suggests they may be the same person with a "Record Hint", a person must decide if the two people, with the same (or similar) name, living in the same area, appearing in multiple documents, are the same person. --RAN (talk) 06:12, 9 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

You can see how I use the digitalarkivet permalink at Ole Mathias Pedersen (Q20679555) as a reference to his residence during the census years. The Familysearch and Ancestry.com AIs do an amazing job of finding the same person based on date of birth, and parents names, and sibling names, but they are only hints. Sweden has assigned historical people a unique identifier based on their birth. Frideborg Winblad (1869-1964) was born on January 18, 1869 and was assigned Personal identity number (Sweden) (Q5453848) 18690118-780. She was the 780th person assigned a number, of all the people born on that day. --RAN (talk) 06:27, 9 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

  • New Comment (?)
Any p-id will work for links to http://histreg.no/index.php/home as long as the person post is connected to the person of interest. Still to make this work as an identifier in our context it would be better to have a specific p-id for our purpose, that is a person post for the entity. That imply that someone must contact them and check out what is possible. As the histreg is a crowdsourced project I would guess it is possible to make this work.
And another thing, the given URL is for specific person posts. The person page is at http://histreg.no/index.php/person/pf01038175001339 for the previous example. (And the previous example has not been collected into a common post. Check out http://histreg.no/index.php/person/pf01036371002571 instead.) If we were to be used as a source then a table row on that page would link out to the entity at Wikidata. Jeblad (talk) 22:10, 9 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  •   Support I see that identifier working, since it ties together multiple documents, excellent. I will have to login and start some clustering of documents for Ole Mathias Pedersen. Why is there no link from Admunden in the 1885 census to his "person page"? There is only a link from his person page to the census. --RAN (talk) 23:41, 9 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ): There is. Four very small icons up on top rigth, the icon marked HBR will lead to such a page. Breg Pmt (talk) 00:06, 10 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I still cannot figure out how to link the various mentions in documents into one person-ID. Has anyone here been successful at it? The documentation shows screen shots that do not apply. If someone can walk me through the process with the records for Ole Pedersen I would be grateful. --RAN (talk) 16:39, 16 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Has anyone successfully merged the multiple census entries unto a single ID yet? No one has merged Ole Mathias Pedersen for me yet. --RAN (talk) 03:12, 5 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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