Wikidata:Property proposal/Obituaries

Obituaries edit

Originally proposed at Wikidata:Property proposal/Person

Not done

Description	The field will contain links to online obituaries for this person. They can be difficult to find after a few years. There are 5 or 6 top news outlets that do full obituaries for notable people.
Represents	obituary (Q309481)
Data type	URL
Domain	Human
Example	Glenn Frey (Q472051) → https://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/19/arts/music/glenn-frey-a-founding-member-of-the-eagles-dies-at-67.html?_r=0 → http://www.latimes.com/entertainment/music/la-me-ln-eagles-founding-member-glenn-frey-dead-at-67-20160118-story.html → http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/glenn-frey-eagles-guitarist-dead-at-67-20160118 → https://www.theguardian.com/music/2016/jan/19/glenn-frey

Motivation

The field will contain links to multiple online obituaries from newspaper archives for this person. They can be difficult to find after a few years. The links can also be to archived copies. If I am researching someone, I just want to find the obituaries from the thousands of other articles on that person, with the least amount of effort. It will also direct AIs such as Siri and Alexa and Cortana to information on people that do not have Wikipedia articles, such as spouses and children of notable people. Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 01:05, 3 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion

If the obituary itself is significant, why not just create an item for it with instance of (P31) obituary (Q309481), and URL (P2699) and main subject (P921) statements? --Yair rand (talk) 01:10, 3 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
I do not think the obituaries are worth having their own entries, I think researchers and AIs should be directed to the online obituaries where there is as more information than there is in a Wikipedia article for most people. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 03:33, 3 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
If the obituaries aren't significant on their own, why would Wikidata be indexing/categorizing them? There are existing ways to attach structured data to webpages, and Wikidata has no reason to be involved in that. --Yair rand (talk) 00:01, 4 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
We already have "described at URL" which may be an obituary or a biography. This would distinguish that it is an obituary. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 21:23, 4 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note previous proposal at Wikidata:Property proposal/death notice.--GZWDer (talk) 04:54, 3 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Ordinary people have death notices stating the name of the deceased and the date of death, notable people get full obituaries. Would you prefer a field called New York Times obituary and another called The Economist obituary, and so on? --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 14:08, 3 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I still see this as a piece of reference information, but obituaries can certainly be very valuable references about many aspects of a person's life. This brings up to me a problem with the way wikidata currently handles reference information - I think it would be really valuable to have a separate references section like the external id's section, that can be referenced from many statements or serve as general references for the statements on an item. References are already structured data without being full-fledged items - they can have a URL, perhaps we could even allow a P31 in references to indicate the type. This is perhaps also relevant for wikicite considerations... ArthurPSmith (talk) 19:09, 4 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
We now have a qualifier to describe the type of reference, see Wikidata:Property proposal/type of reference --Hannolans (talk) 22:56, 21 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Comment In general, I think they can be found as references for date of death (P570)
--- Jura 13:22, 10 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Comment A link can be archived through archive.org. Having a repository on 'data cannot make much sense if the link is to become obsolete or dead in few yearss. -- Blackcat (talk) 11:12, 12 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]

You can go to the Wayback machine only if you know the original url, hence the idea to preserve it. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 04:10, 7 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Support ديفيد عادل وهبة خليل 2 (talk) 16:25, 30 September 2017 (UTC)[reply]
How about using type of reference (P3865)? ChristianKl (talk) 16:14, 16 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ): What do you think about type of reference (P3865) here? ChristianKl (talk) 13:37, 20 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, perhaps the best way to handle it. --RAN (talk) 22:36, 10 November 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose type of reference (P3865) should do the job. ChristianKl (✉) 17:21, 2 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]