Wikidata:Property proposal/death notice
link to death notice
editOriginally proposed at Wikidata:Property proposal/Person
Not done
Description | external link to the scan of the notice of death published by the heirs of that person |
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Represents | death notice (Q2438528) |
Data type | URL |
Domain | human (Q5) |
Allowed values | url |
Example | Joris Ivens (Q238616) → https://resolver.kb.nl/resolve?urn=KBNRC01:000031052:mpeg21:a0087 |
Planned use | add death notices for artists |
See also | image of grave (P1442) |
- Motivation
With this property we can add death notices of persons as published in newspapers. The death notice publication gives access to the heirs, date of death and place of burial. We want to use this to add this to artists who died. Hannolans (talk) 11:59, 6 December 2016 (UTC)
- Discussion
- Strong support newspaper death notices provide strong, conclusive and publicly accessible proof of the death date. This can be very usefull for determining public domain date of work by makers.Mtmlan84 (talk) 13:59, 6 December 2016 (UTC)
- Support when doing queries on a cemetery I display grave information Property:P119 Property:P965 Property:P625 Property:P1442 and the death notice would be good to identify with a property - Salgo60 (talk) 13:30, 24 December 2016 (UTC)
- Oppose Death notices can be added by using reference URL (P854) and stated in (P248) as references for place of death (P20) and date of death (P570). Is there any reason not to do so? Jonathan Groß (talk) 14:29, 6 December 2016 (UTC)
- It can be done like that if it is programmatically detectable. One problem is that death notice (Q2438528) is an article within a newspaper with an author. How should we add that it is death notice (Q2438528), using stated in (P248) or with P794 (P794). I have added it here, is this the right way? Joris Ivens (Q238616) --Hannolans (talk) 15:47, 6 December 2016 (UTC)
- Support I am doing genealoy and the Death notice and the Estate and inventory are documents that tells a lot of of a person. It would be of big value if it was easy to programmatically detect those items - Salgo60 (talk) 09:54, 12 January 2017 (UTC)
- It can be done like that if it is programmatically detectable. One problem is that death notice (Q2438528) is an article within a newspaper with an author. How should we add that it is death notice (Q2438528), using stated in (P248) or with P794 (P794). I have added it here, is this the right way? Joris Ivens (Q238616) --Hannolans (talk) 15:47, 6 December 2016 (UTC)
- Oppose per Jonathan Groß. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:54, 9 December 2016 (UTC)
- Oppose also per Jonathan Groß - it may have more than date of death as content, but it is clearly a piece of reference information, not directly a property of the person. ArthurPSmith (talk) 19:27, 26 December 2016 (UTC)
- Support The property seems to be useful for the purposes querying data. ChristianKl (talk) 19:08, 22 January 2017 (UTC)
- Oppose I cannot imagine how querying links, in this case death notice links, could return dynamic data that could be, for example sorted, grouped, or summed. We should use Jonathan Groß proposal. African Hope (talk) 22:45, 25 January 2017 (UTC)
- Could be, but I don't understand how we could use Jonathan Groß proposal to programmatically query death notices? --Hannolans (talk) 23:10, 25 January 2017 (UTC)
- Indeed the point in Groß proposal is not to query death notices programmatically but rather use them simply as pieces of reference. You said "it could be", but if I could understand better how death notices could be queried programmatically and how useful this practice would be, I would be willing to vote in favor. African Hope (talk) 11:31, 26 January 2017 (UTC)
- Oppose reference url works better plus it can be further qualified with the details of the publication in the references, and be copied and utilised to reference numerous other statements. Encouraging a different use of references should not be encourage. — billinghurst sDrewth 12:34, 14 February 2017 (UTC)
- Maybe we need a "type of reference" property? ChristianKl (talk) 09:40, 17 February 2017 (UTC)
- I created https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal/type_of_reference for this purpose. @Hannolans, billinghurst, Mtmlan84, Salgo60, ArthurPSmith, Pigsonthewing: ChristianKl (talk) 18:23, 18 February 2017 (UTC)
- type of reference is indeed an approach that can solve this --Hannolans (talk) 22:24, 18 February 2017 (UTC).
- Oppose Per Jonathan. ~ Moheen (talk) 18:51, 9 April 2017 (UTC)
- @Hannolans, billinghurst, Mtmlan84, Salgo60, ArthurPSmith, Pigsonthewing: Not done, no consensus for proposal. ChristianKl (talk) 17:25, 16 April 2017 (UTC)
- The solution with Wikidata:Property proposal/type of reference is fine as this makes querying possible --Hannolans (talk) 17:31, 16 April 2017 (UTC)