Wikidata:Property proposal/Properties for Indian ragas

Properties for Indian ragas edit

Of the properties proposed below, it is most likely the case that only "ascending scale" and "descending scale" will be useful for other musical traditions.

ascending scale edit

Originally proposed at Wikidata:Property proposal/Generic

Done: ascending scale (P7598) (Talk and documentation)

Description	sequence of notes starting from a tonic in one octave and ending with the tonic one octave above
Represents	Arohana (Q2011823)
Data type	Musical Notation
Domain	raga (Q216926)
Example 1	Adana (Q2689077) → "\relative c' {c8 d e g \bar "\|" aes[ b c] \bar "\|."} \addlyrics{S R G P d N Ṡ}" (object named as (P1932) "सारेगप ध॒निसां")
Example 2	Alhaiya Bilawal (Q4724406) → "\relative c' {c8 d e g \bar "\|" a[ b c] \bar "\|."} \addlyrics{S R G P D N Ṡ}" (object named as (P1932) "सारेगप धनिसां")
Example 3	Araj (Q12940197) → "\relative c' {c8[ des e] \bar "\|" f[ g fis g] a[ bes c] \bar "\|."} \addlyrics{S r G m P M P D n Ṡ}" (object named as (P1932) "सारे॒ग मपम॑प धनि॒सां")
Source	राग-कोश, among others
Planned use	add to raga items as a primary characteristic defining them
See also	LilyPond notation (P6883)

descending scale edit

Originally proposed at Wikidata:Property proposal/Generic

Done: descending scale (P7599) (Talk and documentation)

Description	sequence of notes starting from a tonic in one octave and ending with the tonic one octave below
Represents	avarohana (Q13583589)
Data type	Musical Notation
Domain	raga (Q216926)
Example 1	Adana (Q2689077) → "\relative c' {c'8 \bar "\|" aes[ bes g f g] \bar "\|" ees[ f] \bar "\|" d[ c] \bar "\|."} \addlyrics{Ṡ d n P m P g m R S}" (object named as (P1932) "सां ध॒नि॒पमप ग॒म रेसा")
Example 2	Alhaiya Bilawal (Q4724406) → "\relative c' {c'8[ b a g] \bar "\|" f[ e d c] \bar "\|."} \addlyrics{Ṡ N D P m G R S}" (object named as (P1932) "सांनिधप मगरेसा")
Example 3	Araj (Q12940197) → "\relative c' {c'8[ des c b] \bar "\|" a[ g f e] \bar "\|" des[ c] \bar "\|."} \addlyrics{Ṡ Ṙ Ṡ N D P m G r S}" (object named as (P1932) "सांरें॒सांनि धपमग रे॒सा")
Source	राग-कोश, among others
Planned use	add to raga items as a primary characteristic defining them
See also	LilyPond notation (P6883)

primary note edit

Originally proposed at Wikidata:Property proposal/Generic

Done: primary note (P7600) (Talk and documentation)

Description	most prominent note in a raga
Represents	vadi (Q1923994)
Data type	Item
Domain	raga (Q216926)
Example 1	Adana (Q2689077) → Shadja (Q19813593)
Example 2	Alhaiya Bilawal (Q4724406) → Dhaivata (Q12434659)
Example 3	Araj (Q12940197) → Madhyama (Q12445215)
Source	राग-कोश, among others
Planned use	add to raga items as a primary characteristic defining them
See also	LilyPond notation (P6883)

secondary note edit

Originally proposed at Wikidata:Property proposal/Generic

Done: secondary note (P7601) (Talk and documentation)

Description	second-most prominent note in a raga; usually a fifth from the primary note, although there are exceptions
Represents	samavadi (Q601825)
Data type	Item
Domain	raga (Q216926)
Example 1	Adana (Q2689077) → Panchama (Q15651222)
Example 2	Alhaiya Bilawal (Q4724406) → Gandhara (Q12423481)
Example 3	Araj (Q12940197) → Shadja (Q19813593)
Source	राग-कोश, among others
Planned use	add to raga items as a primary characteristic defining them
See also	LilyPond notation (P6883)

Motivation edit

These properties serve as a starting point to describe ragas, both Hindustani (all four properties) and Carnatic (the first two, primarily). While a number of other properties may be proposed later to augment the description of these ragas (e.g. for the pakad (Q7125406), Chalan (Q56277847)s, Sthayi (Q7616089)s, and the like), I would like to augment the current (largely empty) items for ragas with this information first. The reference I have given provides such information for at most 1438 different ragas, though I have also identified other sources (such as the Raganidhi of B. Subba Rao) that may serve to expand on this information. Mahir256 (talk) 23:19, 16 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion edit

Support Much needed. -- Bodhisattwa (talk) 02:59, 17 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Support --- তনয় ^[t̪ɔnɔj] 05:32, 17 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Support all David (talk) 05:50, 17 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Nomen ad hoc (talk) 17:56, 17 November 2019 (UTC).[reply]
It looks like there's a special notation used for the first two properties. Does that notation has a name (and can we add that name to the description? ChristianKl ❪✉❫ 10:19, 19 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- @ChristianKl: The ascending and descending scale properties, as stated at the top of this page, could be used more generally (such as with the distinctly non-Indian D major scale (Q20643499) and Bayati (Q6416889)); the "lyrics" added to the LilyPond are Latin script transcriptions of the Indian solfège notes (to avoid giving preference to any specific Indian language script when clarifying which swaras the notes in the scale represent). (Once these properties are created, I will note this convention on the currently empty Wikidata:WikiProject India/Classical music.) As a result I do not think that making a note of the convention on the properties themselves is necessary. Mahir256 (talk) 14:25, 20 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  - It seems to me like it's important for data-consumers to know the notation as it allows them to parse the data correctly. ChristianKl ❪✉❫ 15:45, 21 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Doing… given how long it'll take to create 4 properties, noting here to avoid conflicts. --DannyS712 (talk) 21:29, 24 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Mahir256, Bodhisattwa, Tanay_barisha, ديفيد عادل وهبة خليل 2, Nomen ad hoc, ChristianKl: Done, see ascending scale (P7598), descending scale (P7599), primary note (P7600), and secondary note (P7601). --DannyS712 (talk) 21:59, 24 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]