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Nomination of the Wikimedia community in contest

See details at Wikidata:WikiProject Climate Change/nomination 2019.

In October 2019 Climate Outreach (Q59536350) had a call for nominations for the project which has done the most to engage the public in matters related to climate change. user:Daniel Mietchen and I nominated the Wikimedia community. Blue Rasberry (talk) 21:05, 9 October 2019 (UTC)

In person

There is a small chance I might be able to come to the ceremony. It's a "mere" 2.5h away from me. Femkemilene (talk) 17:27, 10 October 2019 (UTC)

@Femkemilene:

Tickets for the ceremony are at the host's website. We only made a nomination and have no indication that the judges would select the project.

If I get any news that Wikimedians are particularly encouraged to attend then I will share that here. I think it is good to apply but I am not expecting an award for this. Blue Rasberry (talk) 20:47, 10 October 2019 (UTC)

NPOV policy on English wikipedia vs award criteria

I'm one of the founding members of WikiProject Climate Change at the English Wikipedia. This nomination is appreciated, but appears a bit misguided. At the award webpage [1] it says criteria for the award includes "Projects should be able to demonstrate that they have generated a shift in attitudes and empowered ongoing engagement with climate change." If we are doing that, then we are probably in violation of our own core policies that forbid activist editing. We need to be a NEUTRAL source of information, not a lobbying group that actively tries to "shift attitudes". NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 21:39, 21 October 2019 (UTC)

One might say, in light of all science deniers out there, that neutral information nowadays possibly could shift attitudes by merely existing as a counterweight and stable source for people to point to. Ainali (talk) 13:44, 22 October 2019 (UTC)

Dr. Leonard McCoy wouldn't be the one who says that. Quite the contrary. In Spock's World, Dr. McCoy participated in a debate witnessed by the entire population of Vulcan. He said, “Data just lies there. People speak. The idiom 'speaks for itself' almost always translates as 'If I don't say something about this, no one will notice it.'" As I see it, NPOV requires Wikipedia to be content with providing data to just lie there. The outreach that shifts attitudes (and merits this award) is done by people who have Wikipedia in their communication toolbox. Our job is to provide the best possible tool. This award goes to the rhetoricians and activists and leaders who use the tool we provide to "shift attitudes" and "empower". If we start trying to do that ourselves, we're no longer approaching our work with rigorous neutrality. NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 12:46, 23 October 2019 (UTC)

Weather Database and WikiProject Weather

Hi, I would like to bring your attention to a proposal for a WikiProject Weather, to organize all weather articles under a single project umbrella. There are many areas that Wikipedia has missed, maybe because it was a long time ago, or it is in a country that doesn't speak English. Also, given climate denialism, we believe it is important to establish a Worldwide Weather Database. Google already uses Wikipedia's infoboxes for their search results, and Alexa often uses Wikipedia (partly because it's more accurate, partly because of how comprehensive it is). I'm not exactly sure the best way to implement it, but we believe that WikiData, and the proposed Abstract Wikipedia, could be a part of this endeavor.

As part of uniting all weather articles, each event would be tagged with categories such as location, date, fatalities, injuries, damage total, and weather event - all the basic stuff we usually include in infoboxes. The international disasters database - [2] - already kinda does this, but not everyone knows to look there. Wikipedia, on the other hand, is known as an institution at this point.

Thanks for your time reading this. Any thoughts and feedback would be appreciated. If this proposal is in the wrong place, please feel free to direct me to the correct location. Thanks a lot.Jason Rees (talk) 21:00, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

Actual emissions and allowed under Paris Agreement

@Genetics4good: I am replying to your message on my talk page at User_talk:Bluerasberry#Wikiproject_Climate_Change_project. Almost no one has a good understanding of how Wikidata works, even people who contribute a lot here. Importing the data is not the challenge here nor is anything technical.

The challenge here is the human side of things, which includes coming to understand what kind of data we want, what sources are reliable, and how we want to present it for others. Wikidata is not indiscriminate nor is it a big data project. The data here is intended for human engagement, and not primarily machine analysis.

Fortunately what you are proposing here is not endless. You just want a few values per country, so right now, you are talking about a few thousand datapoints at most.

Where this all starts is considering the existing Wikidata properties, identifying which ones fit the need and which ones this project requires but are absent, and modeling this out with a for 2 countries by hand. There is no automation without first having a human model, and this non-technical part is the biggest part of Wikidata.

Without knowing anything about Wikidata, try to model your idea here. Pick a country, some data points, cite the source of the data points, and demonstrate here in text how you think it should work. If you have questions I am here to help. Find a source, then the next bottleneck is the modeling. We have these properties Wikidata:WikiProject_Climate_Change#Main_properties but check also at Wikidata:List of properties to see if anything like emissions is there. Blue Rasberry (talk) 11:52, 4 February 2021 (UTC)

@Bluerasberry: No, I'm not going to work this out myself. I'm not familiar with wikidata and don't have the energy. Also considering you edit Wikimedia projects professionally and are interested in Climate change projects, it seems a perfect fit for you, and certainly a perfect fit for those organisations I mentioned which you could contact. In particular:

• ClimateWorks Foundation, see climateworks.org (they seem to be working on a transparency initiative btw, see https://cti.climateworks.org/ so would be a perfect match)
• New Climate Institute (newclimate.org)
• perhaps Human Impact Lab, Concordia University (davidusher.com), but I'm not sure how they calculate things for the Climate Clock, so don't know whether they have the info we need

Have them do the bulk of the project as it would benefit them most (would increase their audience, and the underlying data is certain to be 100% accurate and up to date as more people will look at the core data), and simply assist them where needed. Also, they would then input info on all the countries participating in the Paris Agreement rather then just a few ones. As for data we already have, there is data on wikipedia article "List_of_countries_by_carbon_dioxide_emissions" but I doubt the info there is up-to-date/accurate enough for the purposes mentioned. --Genetics4good (talk) 10:54, 5 February 2021 (UTC)

Climate lexeme week

As part of the 30 lexic-o-days 2021, I am planning a Climate lexeme week. The first draft is published at Wikidata:WikiProject Climate Change/Climate lexeme week. All feedback is appreciated.

Daniel Mietchen (talk) 23:35, 2 October 2019 (UTC) Blue Rasberry (talk) 19:18, 4 October 2019 (UTC) Bodhisattwa (talk) 07:30, 7 October 2019 (UTC) Ainali (talk) 15:33, 7 October 2019 (UTC) MartinPoulter (talk) 14:24, 8 October 2019 (UTC) author  TomT0m / talk page 12:01, 27 October 2019 (UTC) Rajeeb ^(talk!) 15:17, 29 November 2019 (UTC) John Samuel (talk) 18:12, 8 December 2019 (UTC) Pauljmackay (talk) 07:56, 31 December 2021 (UTC) Zblace (talk) 05:23, 23 June 2022 (UTC) Bukky658 (talk) 08:31, 28 January 2023 (UTC) Guettarda (talk) 16:32, 31 January 2023 (UTC) Dsp13 (talk) 11:50, 9 July 2023 (UTC) 168.5.41.197 17:33, 28 September 2023 (UTC) Lupe (talk) 15:25, 21 October 2023 (UTC) Guettarda (talk) 02:38, 19 March 2024 (UTC) Samoasambia ✎ 09:49, 8 April 2024 (UTC) Marsupium (talk) 23:19, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

Notified participants of WikiProject Climate Change Ainali (talk) 09:46, 19 March 2021 (UTC)

Celebrate Earth Day with WikiForHumanRights 2021

Daniel Mietchen (talk) 23:35, 2 October 2019 (UTC) Blue Rasberry (talk) 19:18, 4 October 2019 (UTC) Bodhisattwa (talk) 07:30, 7 October 2019 (UTC) Ainali (talk) 15:33, 7 October 2019 (UTC) MartinPoulter (talk) 14:24, 8 October 2019 (UTC) author  TomT0m / talk page 12:01, 27 October 2019 (UTC) Rajeeb ^(talk!) 15:17, 29 November 2019 (UTC) John Samuel (talk) 18:12, 8 December 2019 (UTC) Pauljmackay (talk) 07:56, 31 December 2021 (UTC) Zblace (talk) 05:23, 23 June 2022 (UTC) Bukky658 (talk) 08:31, 28 January 2023 (UTC) Guettarda (talk) 16:32, 31 January 2023 (UTC) Dsp13 (talk) 11:50, 9 July 2023 (UTC) 168.5.41.197 17:33, 28 September 2023 (UTC) Lupe (talk) 15:25, 21 October 2023 (UTC) Guettarda (talk) 02:38, 19 March 2024 (UTC) Samoasambia ✎ 09:49, 8 April 2024 (UTC) Marsupium (talk) 23:19, 1 May 2024 (UTC)

Notified participants of WikiProject Climate Change

I wanted to reach out to you to invite you to meta:WikiForHumanRights which is focusing this month on "right to a healthy environment". Please join us for:

• There is a writing challenge with small prizes. I hope you join: meta:WikiForHumanRights_Challenge. There are ways to contribute via Wikdata as well!
• A live event on April 15 at 3PM UTC to launch the campaign: https://diff.wikimedia.org/2021/04/02/live-event-join-us-for-the-launch-of-wikiforhumanrights-right-to-a-healthy-environment/
• Community lead events that you may want to join throughout the world, and especially in the MENA and African regions.

I hope to see you editing, and hope you get a chance to participate, Astinson (WMF) (talk) 23:34, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

Research topic

I was wondering if anyone could recommend/point me toward informational materials relating to climate change data and how it relates to wikidata in particular? I.e., who uses it, how is it used, etc. Technically, it's called a "literature review"; we're not doing any actual hands-on research. I need a good starting point/jumping off point for an undergrad [ed. myself] basically. I can find additional sources on my own using Google Scholar or using the university library system. Thanks so much! Datumizer (talk) 02:39, 21 May 2021 (UTC)

I don't know much about this so hopefully someone else will give you a better answer. Personally I hope that when point source CO2 emissions data from https://www.climatetrace.org/ starts coming through later this year that someone (your undergrad when they get bored reading and rebel to do something hands-on?) will bulk upload it to Wikidata, so that I can put those better estimates of CO2 emissions from Turkish power plants in Turkish Wikipedia article tr:Türkiye'deki kömür yakıtlı enerji santralleri listesi. My gripe is that at the moment the tool (called Listeriabot) to automatically insert Wikidata into Wikipedia lists, is not allowed on English Wikipedia. So in order to put the same CO2 data in en:List of active coal-fired power stations in Turkey I would have to cut and paste. Which is tedious but possible as I only have 50 power stations in the list. The govt here in Turkey does not publish CO2 data for individual power plants but it does publish their generation data. So with the Climate Trace data I should be able to see whether any of them belong on en:List of least carbon efficient power stations, which is extremely out of date. But I am only looking at one country. For other people looking more generally it would be good to have automation for English Wikipedia articles with longer lists such as en:List of coal-fired power stations. The advantage of getting the data on to English Wikipedia is that often English Wikipedia articles come high up in Google search, so the info is more visible to the general public. Chidgk1 (talk) 08:02, 23 May 2021 (UTC)

Is Wikidata itself being used by climatologists for anything, or does it just exist as a means of getting information onto Wikipedia? Datumizer (talk) 21:13, 23 May 2021 (UTC)

I don't know about the first question, but the second is definitely a no. Wikidata is useful in its own right, especially combined with the Wikidata Query service. You no longer need Wikipedia to find useful information about the world. Wikipedia on the other hand, can totally leverage the information on Wikidata, but that is mereley a bonus for Wikipedia and not needed to justify Wikidata. Ainali (talk) 09:31, 24 May 2021 (UTC)

Can anyone maybe recommend a good non-Wikidata crowdsourcing primer that deals specifically with climate change research? Datumizer (talk) 06:37, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

I am not an expert but re crowdsourcing I see Climate Trace are doing it on Open Street Map https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Organised_Editing/Activities/Climate_TRACE Chidgk1 (talk) 09:44, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

Weather in Wales and the world

We have in Wales a partnership with Llen Natur who have curated many 16th-present diaries kept by ordinary people; all published. They include, for example:

• the date of the appearance of the cuckoo each spring
• the date when the cows were turned out to graze each spring
• first record of frogspawn
• the first snow of the year..

Total records: c. 127,000. Although these are local data, similar data will have been recorded in other countries. Can we create new statements? I've requested a list from Llen Natur. Llywelyn2000 (talk) 15:13, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

Suggested WikiProject logo

Proposed WikiProject logo.

I don't know why I didn't think of this before, but now it seems so obvious. What do you think? Ainali (talk) 15:27, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

Excellent Chidgk1 (talk) 16:09, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

Thanks — I have included it in the provisional navigation templates. --Daniel Mietchen (talk) 02:49, 30 January 2023 (UTC)

Anyone like to make an import from Climate Trace?

Wikidata:Dataset Imports/Annual greenhouse gas emissions from individual sources Chidgk1 (talk) 16:13, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

Transposing the IPCC Climate report to Wikibase

At the Cambridge Wikimedia Meetup 46 on Sunday, 18 June 2023, Petermr (talk • contribs • logs) led a discussion on "Transposing the IPCC Climate report to Wikibase (and maybe Wikidata)" [3]. Hope it's ok that I moved the discussion over to Wikidata_talk:WikiProject_Climate_Change/transposing_IPCC_report. Cheers, cmɢʟee⎆τaʟκ 14:21, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

authors in IPCC reports

At Wikidata:Requests_for_deletions#Q120229700 there's a proposal to delete one of the named contributors to Climate Change 2014 Mitigation of Climate Change (Q60451191). However, the author of that report is currently given as Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (Q171183) so I'm not sure how to add the individual authors. How in general should this be done? Dsp13 (talk) 12:29, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

Modeling emissions

I have added a way to model greenhouse gas emissions on the model page. Using that model, the emissions from the top 150 companies on the Swedish stock exchange has been imported. Here is a query that gets all in Wikidata using that model.

#title: Organizations GHG emissions using scopes (as defined by the GHG protocol) 
SELECT ?item ?itemLabel ?scopeLabel ?emission_amount ?unitLabel ?typeLabel WHERE {
  ?scope wdt:P279* wd:Q120897419 . # Finds all scope items
  ?item p:P5991 ?p . # Finds all items with carbon footprint statements
  ?p pq:P3831 ?scope ; # ..but only use those qualified with one of the scopes
     ps:P5991 ?emission_amount ; # Get the emission amount
     psv:P5991 / wikibase:quantityUnit ?unit . # Get the emission unit
  OPTIONAL {?p pq:P518 ?type} # Get the type of scope (for Scope 3 emissions)
  SERVICE wikibase:label { bd:serviceParam wikibase:language "sv,en". }
} ORDER BY ?itemLabel ?scopeLabel

Organizations GHG emissions using scopes (as defined by the GHG protocol)

If more organizations are using the same model, the query should not need to be changed. Ainali (talk) 07:39, 19 June 2024 (UTC)