Io Herodotus

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-- Ę-oиė  >>>  ™ 13:47, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

Userpage

Hello Laurentleap, I've deleted Q9418429, where you included your userpages. Wikidata isn't meant for this. Please read this page for more info. --Wiki13 _talk 15:40, 3 April 2013 (UTC)

changing of the name

Hello I would like to change user name I was Laurentleap on wikipedia and changed to Herodotus I would like to do the same with wikidata. Regards.--Laurentleap (talk) 09:46, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

As we do not have bureaucrats on this wiki, you will need to go to m:SRUC. --Rschen7754 09:54, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

Ajouts

Bonjour,

J'ai vu que tu ajoutais des liens interlangues de Wikipédia, merci pour ton aide. Pourrais-tu penser également à ajouter le libellé aux éléments que tu modifies ? Tu peux activer dans tes préférences le gadget « autoEdit » qui permet de recopier automatiquement le titre des articles de Wikipédia.

Bonnes contributions, Ljubinka (discussion) 12:58, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

Bonsoir. J'avoue que je ne connais pas encore la raison exacte de wikidata. Je croyais que c'était juste un lien, mais c'est plus que cela. Quant au libellé, ok, mais dans quelle langue ? J'en ai ajouté dans la langue du pays concerné, je crois. Mais quand l'article est international, comment faire? Je suis aussi surpris de voir que beaucoup de gens créent des articles sans lien sur Wikidata et apparemment personne ne les conseillent ou leur demande de le faire.

--Io Herodotus (talk) 20:19, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

Le but de Wikidata est de créer une grande base de données. La centralisation des interwikis est la phase 1. L'intégration de données (du type de celles utilisées dans les infoboîtes de Wikipédia) est la phase 2, c'est la section « Déclarations ». La phase 3 n'est pas commencée mais il s'agira de créer des listes à partir de ces déclarations.

Le libellé est simplement le titre d'un élément sur Wikidata, il y en a un pour chaque langue. Quand il y a un article Wikipédia, il suffit en général de recopier son titre, en revanche il y a beaucoup d'éléments n'ont pas de lien vers Wikipédia en français car l'article n'existe pas, auxquels il faut donner un libellé.

En haut à droite de la page, à côté du lien vers ta page utilisateur, tu peux choisir une langue : c'est celle dans laquelle tu édites Wikidata. Maintenant que tu as renseigné ta page utilisateur, des cases supplémentaires vont apparaître, où tu peux consulter et modifier les libellés dans les autres langues que tu parles.

N'hésite pas à poser d'autres questions ; il y a aussi un Wikidata:Bistro pour discuter. Ljubinka (discussion) 08:09, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

Editing other people's user pages

Please ask people before you edit their users pages.
--- Jura 08:08, 17 April 2018 (UTC)

Category:Magdalena Strozzi's portrait paintings by Raffaello Sanzio

On Category:Magdalena Strozzi's portrait paintings by Raffaello Sanzio, there is a Message :"no wikidata found", I think there is a link which is "Portrait of Maddalena Doni (Q2607055)"

I don't know how to fix up

--Io Herodotus talk]]) 04:17, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

@Io Herodotus: Wikidata is one of our sister projects, so you have an account there, even if you've never edited. Its interface and scope are pretty different from Commons, so it may be a bit confusing at first how to add a new item, but that is the way to fix this issue. I'll add it now and let me know if you have any questions about Commons or Wikidata. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 04:23, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

Thank you very much, there is no village pump for Wikidata. --Io Herodotus 07:53, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

@Io Herodotus:, happy to help, mon frere. Wikidata's equivalent is d:Wikidata:Project_chat. Heads up that we are also discussing on the talk page of the Village pump, which is really for talking about the Village pump itself. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 08:01, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

Item to be deleted

Stanislaus Vasilevskis (Q111270184) has been created by mistake. The item already exists under (Q17593896). Sorry I don't know where to find the information to delete it. --Io Herodotus (talk) 04:56, 17 March 2022 (UTC)

The easiest would be to merge both items. There is a HowTo an Help:Merge and a nice Tool in your Settings -> Gadgets. If there are any problems, do not hesitate to ask again. But since duplicates are quite common it's good, to be able to do it by yourself. --Newt713 (talk) 11:41, 17 March 2022 (UTC)

✓ Done Pas de problème. Déjà fait. --Kolja21 (talk) 13:48, 17 March 2022 (UTC)

I don't understand why we can't ask a "speedy deletion" like on wikipedia. --Io Herodotus 03:06, 18 March 2022 (UTC)

Our normal deletion process basically is the equivalent of enwiki's speedy. it's pretty light weight already. BrokenSegue (talk) 03:11, 18 March 2022 (UTC)

Given our rules on Wikidata we don't delete any items in case of doublicate items, we instead merge doublicate items. This allows 3rd-parties outside of Wikidata who have links to an item to still find the correct item after the merge. Providing stable ID's is important in the world of structured data. While in it's unlikely that there's harm done in this particular case by deleting the item, we still have our general policy of how to deal with doublicate items. ChristianKl ❪✉❫ 11:21, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

Named after

When an item 1 is named after an item 2, the field "named after" is filled in.

With regard to item 2, can we know if it is eponymous, i.e. if it is used to name an item ?

For example: 470 Kilia is named after Kiel.

Is Kiel used to name an asteroid? Nothing says it. Io Herodotus 11:56, 25 June 2022 (UTC)

Well yes, something does say it, but for the most part only via a SPARQL report. The thing about WD is that it is linked data, and the full picture only emerges when the content of links to an item are considered alongside links within the item. There are good reasons why there is no reciprocal property for 'named after' ... consider Queen Victoria, after whom a huge number of things are called ... there's nothing to be gained by adding all of them to her WD item. Much better to point each instance of a thing named after her, at her item. WD is very much not wikipedia; one should not expect all information about an item to be within the item. --Tagishsimon (talk) 12:20, 25 June 2022 (UTC)

Thank you.

That could be a good reason. However I think an item could be added, in the style of "award received", it could be "honour received". In many cases it could be useful (Kilia for instance).

What is a SPARQL report ?

--Io Herodotus 14:22, 25 June 2022 (UTC)

It is, for sure, easy to imagine the new property which could point from the source (person, thing) which gave its name to whatever it gave its name to. But as I say a) it's not necessary and b) it invites the compilation of long lists of property values within an item record, which for all sorts of UI and technical reasons is a bad thing. So - with some dishonourable exceptions (cough tributary (P974) and inflows (P200)) - WD does not encourage reciprocal properties in situations in which there are very-many to one ratios within the datasets to be linked.

SPARQL is the query language used to produce reports from wikidata; a SPARQL report interface for wikidata is at https://query.wikidata.org

Here, by way is example, is a report showing all main-belt asteroids whch are named after someone or something, together with a link to and identification of the thing they're named after (press the 'play' button).

If you're serious about wikidata, then knowing how to write SPARQL reports is fairly necessary. There's an excellent tutorial here - https://wdqs-tutorial.toolforge.org/ - and a helpdesk here - Wikidata:Request_a_query. --Tagishsimon (talk) 14:52, 25 June 2022 (UTC)

Link

How to link Photometry and models of eight near-Earth asteroids (Q60305980) [author name string] to Johan S. V. Lagerros (Q116947972) ?

Io Herodotus (talk) 09:14, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

I moved the statement to author (P50) — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 10:43, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

@Io Herodotus: In the future, please ask questions like this at Wikidata:Project chat, not here on the talk page (which is for discussing improvements to the project chat page itself). - dcljr (talk) 22:37, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

Problem on Reasonator

On reasonator, under Christian Bourdeille, (Q79975393), I read "created by Q115253832 (Uranoscope de l'Ile de France). In fact Christian Bourdeille created the Uranoscope.

. Io Herodotus (talk) 17:46, 22 March 2023 (UTC)

• That's from the related items section and lists statements from other items that refer to Christian Bourdeille: "créé par Uranoscope de l'Ile de France observatoire astronomique". Peter James (talk) 22:48, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
  • I think there is a bad translation

    reasonator in English says "creator Gretz-Armainvilliers Observatory Astronomical Observatory"

    reasonator in French says "créé par Uranoscope de l'Ile de France observatoire astronomique"

  • which means the uranoscope has created a human being. Io Herodotus (talk) 06:00, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
  • Reasonator seems to be using the main labels for the properties, in this case "créé par". I agree it would probably make more sense to display inverse labels for properties (in this case, Q78522641) in the "statements for other items" section. Peter James (talk) 12:40, 28 March 2023 (UTC)
    • I try to write down "creator of", but it is impossible to complete it on the same item. --Io Herodotus (talk) 06:37, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

      I tried to improve this item (there were multiple mistakes), please recheck. Lockal (talk) 07:22, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

      As for Reasonator, it is a problem of representation in Reasonator. Ideally, it could use founder of (Q65972149) Property:P112#P7807 or creator of (Q78522641) as it is done in Wikidata:Tools/Enhance_user_interface#related_items, but it is highly unlikely that we will see fixed in this part (as Reasonator was not updated for many years)... Lockal (talk) 07:32, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

      Thank you. Now Christian Bourdeille is "founded by :Gretz-Armainvilliers Observatory Astronomical Observatory."

      By the way, Wikidata is not so easy to use.

      Where to find discussions on Reasonator ? --Io Herodotus (talk) 10:41, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

Algirdas Kazlauskas (Q16443350)

Please remove dates from labels. Matlin (talk) 17:41, 4 June 2023 (UTC)

Also Algirdas Kazlauskas (Q16443351). We use descriptions to distinguish items. Matlin (talk) 17:43, 4 June 2023 (UTC)