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Latest comment: 2 years ago by Kolja21 in topic Luigi Forni

Strange cluster of mineralogists

Latest comment: 3 years ago7 comments3 people in discussion

Hi! GND has a series of people having occupation (P106)mineralogist (Q13416354) and being born 2/6/1887 and died 5/8/1962:

Could you check if they are all pseudonyms of the first and, if so, eventually merge them? Thanks, --Epìdosis 11:13, 26 September 2020 (UTC)

Strange. I have to look deeper into this. For now I just found an other GND duplicate Wilhelm Ferdinand Blondel (Q99646477), fl. 1684. I'm bussy next week. It will take a few days. --Kolja21 (talk) 14:50, 26 September 2020 (UTC)
@Epìdosis: These aren't duplicates. All these people - like Hans Ehrenberg (Q1579302) - exists. Seems to be an import error. I will try to fix it but it might take a while. Thanks for your notice. --Kolja21 (talk) 20:35, 1 October 2020 (UTC)
Rudolf Börner has been corrected. --Kolja21 (talk) 17:21, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
@Epìdosis: It took a while, but now all GNDs (with the help of University Library Freiburg (Q2496308)) and WD items have been corrected. --Kolja21 (talk) 22:49, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

@Epìdosis: similar (?) problem: DOB and DOD from Rudolf Grahmann (Q2172769) was used for duplicate GNDs for Helmut Blume (Q1603408) and Rajmund Galon (Q9303548). Strange --Emu (talk) 21:29, 3 December 2020 (UTC) / Reported @de:Wikipedia:GND/Fehlermeldung/Dezember 2020. Not done yet. --Kolja21 (talk) 22:44, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

See also: GNDs with same lifespan: Wikidata:Forum/Archiv/2018/11#Same_lifespan.   OK --Kolja21 (talk) 13:26, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

Doppelte GND-Ids

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Hallo Kolja, erstmal schöne Grüße nach Berlin aus Berlin. :-) Wie du gesehen hast, bin ich dabei, die Filmportal-IDs aus den GND-Datensätzen zu ziehen, wodurch einige Dopplungen zutage treten. Bislang habe ich die doppelten, jedoch unterschiedlichen GND-Items beim Zusammenführen der Items ausgespart. Hast du eine Idee, wie man mit diesen umgehen sollte? Ich habe sie mal auf diejenigen beschränkt, die auch einen Artikel in dewiki haben. 

#Unique value constraint report for P2639: report listing each item
SELECT DISTINCT ?item1 ?item2 ?wde ?item1Label ?item2Label ?gnd1 ?gnd2 ?geb1 ?geb2 ?isni1 ?isni2 ?viaf1 ?viaf2 ?dnb1 ?dnb2 ?filmportal WHERE {
  ?item1 wdt:P2639 ?filmportal.
  ?item2 wdt:P2639 ?filmportal.
  ?wde schema:about ?item1;
    schema:inLanguage "de".
  FILTER((?item1 != ?item2) && ((STR(?item1)) < (STR(?item2))))
  OPTIONAL { ?item1 wdt:P227 ?gnd1. }
  OPTIONAL { ?item2 wdt:P227 ?gnd2. }
  OPTIONAL { ?item1 wdt:P213 ?isni1. }
  OPTIONAL { ?item2 wdt:P213 ?isni2. }
  OPTIONAL { ?item1 wdt:P214 ?viaf1. }
  OPTIONAL { ?item2 wdt:P214 ?viaf2. }
  OPTIONAL { ?item1 wdt:P7902 ?dnb1. }
  OPTIONAL { ?item2 wdt:P7902 ?dnb2. }
  OPTIONAL { ?item1 wdt:P569 ?geb1. }
  OPTIONAL { ?item2 wdt:P569 ?geb2. }
  FILTER((xsd:integer(SUBSTR(STR(?item2), 33 ))) >= 95000000 )
  SERVICE wikibase:label { bd:serviceParam wikibase:language "de,en". }
} ORDER BY (xsd:integer(SUBSTR(STR(?item2), 33 )))
Try it!

Queryzo (talk) 09:29, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

Moin @Queryzo: 133 Treffer, das sieht nach viel Arbeit aus. Die Vorgehensweise ist immer die gleiche:
Bei Alexia Landeau (Q1752546) war das einfach:
  • GND 1061288528 (Aleksia), angelegt von DE-Wi17FP = Filmportal.de
  • GND 1031652884 (Alexia), angelegt von DE-B170 = UdK Berlin
Ich befürchte aber, dass nicht alle Fälle so klar sind. In Zweifelsfällen muss man in VIAF (Feld 040) schauen, wer die GND angelegt hat und mit welchen Werken sie verknüpft ist. Die Filmportal-GNDs haben den Katalogisierungslevel 6, d.h. wir können die Datensätze selbst ergänzen. --Kolja21 (talk) 09:53, 24 November 2020 (UTC)
Ich denke, dass diese schlichten GND-Items alle vom Filmportal angelegt wurden (WID > 95.000.000), die GNDs sollten als "stimmen". Soll ich dann erstmal mergen? Mit der Seite de:WP:GND bin ich nicht vertraut, müssen dort alle Widersprüche händisch eingetragen werden? Queryzo (talk) 12:13, 24 November 2020 (UTC)
Das Filmportal ist leider nicht die zuverlässigste Quelle. Bei häufig vorkommenden Namen, insbesondere bei Klammerlemmata, sollte man sich die verknüpften Filmtitel anschauen. @Emu: Hast du einen Tipp, wie man in diesem Fall die Meldungen auf de:WP:GND automatisieren kann? --Kolja21 (talk) 12:31, 24 November 2020 (UTC)
Ich schaue es mir heute oder morgen an! Emu (talk) 13:36, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

Schon mal zwei Beispiele, in denen die Datensätze nicht ohne Überprüfung zusammengeführt werden können:

  • Eva Ras (Q468377), GND 141315261, geb. 1941
  •  Y Eva Ras (Q95186671), GND 1061452956, geb. 1926 (unbekannte Person) - Filmportal vermischt mit Filmen der 1941 geborenen Schauspielerin

@Queryzo: Du musst natürlich nicht alle Dubletten selbst melden. Falls du aber doch dafür Zeit findest, brauchst du nur folgende Vorlage ausfüllen:

  • # {{GND|…}} = {{GND|…}} = {{Wikidata|…}}.

--Kolja21 (talk) 15:33, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

Ein Vorab-Check des Geburtsdatums macht Sinn, ich habe es mal oben ergänzt. Queryzo (talk) 18:50, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

@Queryzo, Kolja21: Ich bin noch nicht ganz sicher, was du mit Automatisierung meinst, aber vielleicht etwas in dieser Art? Hier sind (hoffentlich korrekt, ich habe nur Stichproben geprüft) die ISILs der anlegenden Bibliotheken und der Katalogisierungslevel dabei und in der letzten Spalte eine Kopiervorlage für die Meldung. Die Arbeit, das alles einzeln durchzuschauen, muss man sich natürlich machen – denkbar wäre vielleicht noch, aus der GND gleich diverse Felder herauszuziehen.

item1 item2 wde item1Label item2Label geb1 geb2 isni1 isni2 viaf1 viaf2 dnb1 dnb2 filmportal GND1 GND1 Level GND1 erstellt GND1 Update GND1 ISIL GND2 GND2 Level GND2 erstellt GND2 Update GND2 ISIL Fehlermeldung

--Emu (talk) 20:12, 24 November 2020 (UTC)

  Comment Einträge aus Liste entfernt: 113x zusammengeführt; 8x verschiedene Personen; 1x mit Hinweis "event. gleichwertig". --Kolja21 (talk) 00:06, 12 May 2021 (UTC)

Klärt mich mal auf, was hat es denn mit diesen GND-Kategorien auf sich?! Queryzo (talk) 21:39, 24 November 2020 (UTC)
Du meinst die Katalogisierungslevels? Sie sind grob nach der Zuverlässigkeit durchnummeriert (wobei es viele sehr schlechte Datensätze der höheren Levels gibt): Tp1 ist die Verbundredaktion, Tp2 die lokale Redaktion, Tp3 geschultes Personal (normale Bibliotheken), Tp4 „ungeschultes“ Personal (also zB Kolja21 und andere Wikipedianer mit Zugang), Tp6 sind automatisch eingespielte Datensätze. Es dürfen immer nur die eigene und alle tieferen Kategorien bearbeitet werden: Kolja21 kann also Tp4, Tp5, Tp6 bearbeiten, aber nicht Tp1, Tp2, Tp3. Das heißt: Wenn Tp4 oder Tp6 (Tp5 ist sehr selten) dabeisteht, kann man – bei ausreichender externer Datenlage – Kolja21 um Korrektur bitten. Für alle anderen Levels und auch für Zusammenführungen muss man WP:GND/F bemühen. --Emu (talk) 21:54, 24 November 2020 (UTC)
Nachsatz: Außerdem kann man an den Katalogisierungslevels ablesen, in welche Richtung zusammengeführt wird. Die Regel ist: Es gewinnt das „bessere“ Katalogisierungslevel – wenn Tp4 und Tp6 Dubletten sind, sollte die GND mit Tp6 umgelenkt werden. Theoretisch. Innerhalb des gleichen Levels sollte das Datum der Erstanlage zählen (der spätere wird umgelenkt). Theoretisch. --Emu (talk) 21:56, 24 November 2020 (UTC)
@Queryzo: Danke noch mal für die Ergänzung der Filmportal-ID. Ich habe jetzt 10 weitere Treffer abgearbeitet. Da die Datensätze eh überprüft und die Dubletten gemeldet werden müssen, kann man den einen Klick zur Zusammenführung auch per Hand erledigen. Imho hat es keinen Vorteil, die in der Liste erfassten Einträge automatisch zu mergen. --Kolja21 (talk) 22:28, 25 November 2020 (UTC)
One of the rare errors: Robert John Burke (Q935081) ≠ Robert Burke (Q95241702). --Kolja21 (talk) 03:07, 8 December 2020 (UTC)
Klaus Krämer (Q26869256), film director: Jack User added in German WP GND of physicist (Q104768639). Corrected. --Kolja21 (talk) 12:21, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
Wolfgang Hepp (Q2589929), actor: APPERbot added in 2009 GND of gynecologist (Q104774058). Corrected. --Kolja21 (talk) 23:01, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
Joachim Gottschalk (Q67973) (1904-1941), actor ≠ Joachim Gottschalk (Q95758699), actor (GDR 1982). --Kolja21 (talk) 20:57, 6 February 2021 (UTC)
Wendy Carlos (Q44641) (* 1939) ≠ Walter Carlos (Q95778752) (active 1934). @Trivialist: One of the cases where using #mixnmatchgadget produced an error. --Kolja21 (talk) 05:48, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
John Castle (Q1189596) (b. 1940), actor ≠ John Castle (Q95780050) (active 1929), actor. @Queryzo: Ich habe die Filmportal-ID mit "applies to other person" gekennzeichnet. @Epìdosis: The PLWABN-ID belongs to a collective pseudonym: John Castle (Q105736447). --Kolja21 (talk) 20:02, 2 March 2021 (UTC)
Will Rogers (Q457840) (1879-1935) passt nicht zu dem gleichnamigen Schauspieler Will Rogers (Q95831701), der 2015 in "Bridge of Spies" mitgewirkt hat. --Kolja21 (talk) 06:06, 16 April 2021 (UTC)
@Queryzo: Walter Kindler (Q48233636) (geb. 1940), Kameramann vs. Walter Kindler (Q95852423) (Wirkungsjahr: 1940), Schauspieler, ist mal wieder ein schönes Beispiel, warum es sich lohnt, sich die Fälle einzeln anzusehen. Filmportal.de hat zwei Datensätze; in einem sind Kameramann und Schauspieler vermischt. In Wikidata wurde gemergt, VIAF hat nachgezogen und beide Personen wieder zu trennen, erfordert nicht nur zeitlich erheblichen Aufwand, sondern ist auch von keinem Bot zu leisten. --Kolja21 (talk) 20:54, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
Na ein Glück habe ich den nicht zusammengeführt!   Queryzo (talk) 06:47, 11 May 2021 (UTC)
  OK Die Liste ist abgearbeitet; alle Dubletten wurden auf de:WP:GND/F gemeldet. --Kolja21 (talk) 00:06, 12 May 2021 (UTC)

NCL ID (P1048) and catid.ncl.edu.tw

Latest comment: 3 years ago2 comments2 people in discussion

Hi,

I saw you were the initiator for the creation of NCL ID (P1048) for the authority identifier from NCL authority database. I came across NCL's RDF database for authority, catld.ncl.edu.tw. For the example that you used to create the NCL ID property, 000069472, the RDF database has AC000212165. I am wondering if you are aware if the endpoint has SPARQL available to this database and/or if there is relationship between the two authority sources? Thank you very much.

jshieh (talk) 17:15, 4 January 2021 (UTC)

Hi @ShiehJ: thanks for writing. I know of the different identifiers but unfortunately I have no knowledge of the technical details. I proposed this property in 2013 since it is used by the Chinese Wikipedia (zh:Template:Authority control/NCL). --Kolja21 (talk) 23:21, 4 January 2021 (UTC)

X from Germany / German X

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Hallo Kolja, du hast einige englische Beschreibungen geändert, zB hier von „ophthalmologist from Germany” zu “German ophthalmologist”. Nach meinem Verständnis von Help:Description wäre aber ersteres korrekt. Gibt es da eine Regelung, die ich vielleicht nicht kenne? --Emu (talk) 22:56, 25 February 2021 (UTC)

Hallo @Emu: "... from Germany" wird eigentlich nur verwendet, wenn die Person ausgewandert oder die Nationalität unbekannt ist. Auch enWP beschreibt en:Oskar Fehr als "German ophthalmologist" und nicht als "ophthalmologist from Germany". Help:Description ist imho einfach nur "lässig" formuliert. Klickst du auf "Examples: singer, songwriter, and actress from the USA" landest du bei Madonna (Q1744), American singer and songwriter. --Kolja21 (talk) 23:21, 25 February 2021 (UTC)
Hm. Nach Lektüre der Diskussionsseite habe ich schon den Eindruck, dass die Richtlinie das genau so wollte und nicht lässig war. Aber was die Realität in Wikidata angeht, hast du sicher recht. Ich habe angeregt, die Richtlinie zu ändern: Help_talk:Description#singer,_songwriter,_and_actress_from_the_USA_/_American_singer,_songwriter,_and_actress --Emu (talk) 23:59, 25 February 2021 (UTC)

إنشاء عنصر حفيد

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كيف أنشئ عنصر حفيد أي ابن ابن فمثلا نريد أن نذكر في المجد بن تيمية أن حفيده تقي الدين بن تيمية

أهلا@القلموني: أنا آسف ، أنا لا أتحدث العربية كثيرًا.
I'm sorry, I only speak poor Arabic.
You can create new items for the grandchildren of Muhammad Salih al-Farfur (Q89476535) if you have reliable sources. --Kolja21 (talk) 16:18, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
Arab-Islamic Biographical Archive (Q56650650) has 4 persons with the name "Farfūr". I've added ʻAbd al-Raḥmān Farfūr (Q106411228). --Kolja21 (talk) 16:42, 7 April 2021 (UTC)

Complain to a user Emu

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Hello, your service, I have a complaint against this user, where can I file my complaint?--MADdi0X (talk) 13:09, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

Etwas Kontext hier: WD:AN#User:MADdi0X --Emu (talk) 13:48, 8 April 2021 (UTC)

Help with conflation

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Hi! Svend Hansen (Q2371449) seems conflated, but I'm not sure how to districate it. Could you have a look? Thanks, --Epìdosis 21:31, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

Hi @Epìdosis: I've created Svend Illum Hansen (Q106489883) (b. 1943), conservationist and archaeologist. LCAuth nb2016022060 mixes both archaeologists. --Kolja21 (talk) 22:17, 13 April 2021 (UTC)

Strange GND

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Could you have a look at this? Thanks! --Epìdosis 17:02, 22 April 2021 (UTC)

@Epìdosis: The number of alternative names looks funny but it is the usual way to describe a person if multiple last names are possible. The source is LCAuth n83235566 = António de Navarro (Q16492110), Mozambican poet. I've added more information to the GND record. --Kolja21 (talk) 18:00, 22 April 2021 (UTC)

Another little fix needed: in https://d-nb.info/gnd/1020251816 the father is surely wrong, since he is born some years after his supposed child. Thanks, --Epìdosis 14:17, 28 May 2021 (UTC) P.S. If there is a more structured way I can report these fixes without disturbing you in all cases, let me know!

Hi @Epìdosis: You can leave a note on de:Wikipedia:GND/Fehlermeldung/Mai 2021#Todesjahr nach 1850. The librarians should be able to read English. I've did it for Vladimir Sperber (Q21282238). (It's a GND with cataloging level 1 = Tp1. I can only fix low level GNDs = Tp4 and Tp6s.)

Adolf Müller und Adolf-Müller-Grantzow

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Hallo, du hattest diesen Edit gemacht https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q53372031&oldid=810064023 und damit postuliert, dass das zwei verschiedene Maler sind. Auf Talk:Q53372031 habe ich einen link gepostet, der sagt, dass es der gleiche Maler ist. Was stimmt denn nun? --Anvilaquarius (talk) 07:13, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

Siehe Diskussion Talk:Q53372031#Dublette. --Kolja21 (talk) 11:56, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

Help needed for Property proposal

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Hey, Kolja21! Du bist mir als Deutscher bekannt sowie in der WD-Liste Eigenschaftenersteller und darüberhinaus als speziell ansprechbar markiert. Ich brauche deine Hilfe bei meinem Vorschlag Wikidata:Property proposal/board game mechanism. Die vorhandenen Vorgaben-Deskriptionen sind mir teilweise unverständlich. Traurig genug, dass Wikidata es bislang nicht hinkriegt, niedrigere Einstiegshürden mitttels verständlicherer Angaben zu bauen. Mein Vorschlag füllt inhaltlich eine Lücke, hat daher vermutlich gute Umsetzungschancen. Leider scheint er noch unvollständig zu sein, Grund: siehe oben. Ich bin kein gelernter Informatiker und will auch kein Supernerd werden, diesen Vorschlag in eine für die notwendige ACK-Diskussion akzeptable Form kriegen, würde mir genügen. <ironic tag>Anscheinend muss man dafür einen Extra-Lehrgang belegen</ironic tag>, oder reichen deine Möglichkeiten, Hilfe zu leisten? Oder sollte ich mich stattdessen an JakobVoss wenden? -- Just N. (talk) 14:59, 3 June 2021 (UTC)

@Justus Nussbaum: Ich erlaube mir, mich einzumischen, da ich auch Property Creator bin und eine gewisse Erfahrung gesammelt habe. Das Problem an deinem Vorschlag scheint mir zu, dass es gewissermaßen am Ökosystem innerhalb von Wikidata fehlt: Es fehlen vor allem die Datenobjekte (Items) für die von dir vorgeschlagenen Spielmechanismen. Diese müssten zuerst einmal erarbeitet und sauber voneinander abgegrenzt werden, davor wird es schwierig sein, deinen Vorschlag durchzubringen. Das beginnt schon bei der Problematik, dass man bei game mechanic (Q1751513) nicht so recht weiß, ob es hier um Spielregeln oder Elemente der Spielmechanik gehen soll. Insgesamt gibt es 43 in Frage kommende Datenobjekte im Moment:
SELECT ?item ?itemLabel 
WHERE 
{
  ?item wdt:P31 wd:Q1751513.
  SERVICE wikibase:label { bd:serviceParam wikibase:language "de,en". }
}
Try it!
Es fehlt hier also noch einiges. Ich gebe dir recht, dass dein Vorschlag viel Potential hat, aber es ist wohl noch einige Vorarbeit notwendig. --Emu (talk) 15:33, 3 June 2021 (UTC)

DtBio human without p21 (sex)

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Found exactly two via custom constraint violation, each created by you. Could you add sex when you create GND humans and it can be easily derived, e.g. from the name?

Michael Montag (talk) 03:12, 4 June 2021 (UTC)

Elisabeth und Regina Elisabeth von Metzenhausen

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Hallo Kolja,

Elisabeth von Metzenhausen Q60840407 und Regina Elisabeth von Metzenhausen Q60840425 sind Schwestern. Das es sich um nur eine Person - said to be the same as Property: (P460) - handeln könnte, kann ich nicht verifizieren. Lieben Gruß --Stephan Tournay (talk) 17:29, 13 June 2021 (UTC)

Betr.: de:Wikipedia:GND/Fehlermeldung/Oktober 2019#Todesjahr bis einschließlich 1850 (Meldung Nr. 23). Ich habe said to be the same as (P460) durch sibling (P3373) ersetzt. --19:13, 13 June 2021 (UTC)

Falsche GND

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Hallo Kolja, vielen Dank für deine Korrektur, ich werde sie in der Quell-DB nachziehen. War das ein Zufallsfund, oder hast du eine Prozedur, mit der du "suspekte" GNDs finden kannst? Schöne Grüße, --Jneubert (talk) 10:08, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

Hallo @Jneubert: Der Fehler ist nur aufgefallen, da die ID 452660416 nicht dem GND-Format entspricht. (Unter DNB edition ID (P1292) würde sie akzeptiert.) Solche Fälle werden unter Wikidata:Database reports/Constraint violations/P227# "Format" violations aufgelistet. --Kolja21 (talk) 12:34, 30 June 2021 (UTC)
Hallo Kolja, an eine Formatverletzung hatte ich nicht gedacht - prima, aber doch eher ein Glückstreffer. Keine Ahnung, wie der Fehler in der Quelle zustande kam. Durch einen copy+paste oder Abschreibfehler kann er nicht entstanden sein, von daher hoffe ich, dass es ein exotischer Ausreißer ist, zumal ein paar Stichproben auf dem entsprechenden Batch ok waren. Danke nochmal, und schöne Grüße, --Jneubert (talk) 13:18, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

Vincent Namatjira (Q89697567)

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Ich verstehe nicht ganz, was du geändert hast. Wenn ich es richtig sehe, hast du nur den Anfangsbuchstaben klein geschrieben, aber in Deutsch schreiben wir den Anfangsbuchstaben groß. English: I don't quite understand what you changed. If I see it correctly, you only wrote the first letter in lower case, but in German we write the first letter in upper case. LG, --Gyanda (talk) 11:06, 1 August 2021 (UTC)

@Gyanda: im Deutschen schreibt man den Anfangsbuchstaben nur dann groß, wenn es sich um einen vollständigen Satz handelt. Eine Kurzdefinition ("australischer Maler") ist aber kein vollständiger Satz; das Verb fehlt und es gibt auch keinen Punkt am Ende. Siehe Help:Description/de#Richtlinien. Gruß --Kolja21 (talk) 11:51, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
Mei, ist das peinlich, wo ich doch Germanistin bin :-). LG, --Gyanda (talk) 12:17, 1 August 2021 (UTC)

V. Canarache

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Hi! In https://d-nb.info/gnd/126265526 (= Vasile Canarache (Q107741319)) there is something strange: works sent to VIAF (https://viaf.org/viaf/10833367/#Canarache,_V.) perfectly coincide with those of the archaeologist Vasile C. (1896-1969); however, GND considers Vasile a wrong form and uses as preferred form Viorica C. (1931-2019; = Viorica Stoica-Canarache (Q107741402)), who was - according to my reconstruction thanks to various Romanian websites - the wife of Andrei C. (= Andrei Canarache (Q107741363)), son of Vasile C. The list of works by Viorica C. given in https://www.climbromania.com/Alpinist.aspx?Nume=Viorica%20Stoica-Canarache may be useful in order to distinguish her from Vasile C.; it seems that all works registered in GND belong to Vasile C. Could you check and report the problem? Thank you very much as always, --Epìdosis 11:59, 1 August 2021 (UTC)

@Epìdosis: Thanks for the note. I've filed a report (de:Wikipedia:GND/Fehlermeldung/August 2021). --Kolja21 (talk) 12:37, 1 August 2021 (UTC)

fiction (Q8253972) vs belletristic literature (Q268416)

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Hi Kolja21,

I see you have created fiction (Q8253972) back in 2013. There is another entity (belletristic literature (Q268416)) which has been create by a bot in 2012 and looks like the same entity. Do you see a nuance between the two, or do you think they are the same and we should merge ?

CaLéValab (talk) 11:45, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Hi @CaLéValab: These are synonyms but it's not possible to merge two items with different interwiki links. de:Schöne Literatur vs. de:Belletristik. Same case like de:Bar (Lokal) and de:Kneipe etc. --Kolja21 (talk) 12:01, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Joachim Schütte

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Hi, sorry for the trouble, but can you please specify which part of Help:P227 is relevant for our tit-for-tat at Joachim Schütte (Q26735333)? I am always happy to learn new things ;). Also, I think we'll have to delete the item anyway - there are no further references -> I proposed it for deletion. Vojtěch Dostál (talk) 17:45, 29 August 2021 (UTC)

Hi @Vojtěch Dostál: "Dealing with undifferentiated entries" has been explained in the old version. These IDs are no longer part of the GND and they have been deleted in VIAF (where they should not have been imported). Till Februar 2020 there have been 7.046.133 placeholders, see de:Gemeinsame Normdatei#Umfang. Maintenance work would break down if we import them to Wikidata. --Kolja21 (talk) 17:58, 29 August 2021 (UTC)
Right, makes kinda sense. I'd be in favor of deleting all items which had GND ID (P227) deleted from them and now do not have any references, sitelinks or identifiers. I wonder if we could make a list of those.Vojtěch Dostál (talk) 18:14, 29 August 2021 (UTC)
There shouldn't be many. Invalid IDs are regularly deleted. Unfortunately, there are numerous unsourced items like Fritz-Joachim Schütte (Q29966233) created in May 2017. If unused they should indeed be deleted. Cases like Joachim Schütte (Q26735333) ("This item is linked from 1 other") are more complicated, see Wikidata:Requests for deletions#Q26735333. --Kolja21 (talk) 18:28, 29 August 2021 (UTC)
Fritz-Joachim Schütte (Q29966233) was created for the recipient of the Max Born-Medaille (Q1669263) of 2004. I added information and found the currect GND. --Emu (talk) 19:39, 29 August 2021 (UTC)

Ḥīrām/Hiram Abif

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Also deine Änderung verstehe ich nun wirklich nicht. Der VIAF-Link zeugt sich aus dem GND-Link und der sagt eindeutig "Architekt Salomos", eine biblische Figur. Hiram Abif ist keine biblische Figur, sondern ein neuzeitliches Konstrukt der Freimaurer. Und ja, die GND hat mit "Architekt" zu hoch gegriffen, aber es geht hier um den Künstler des Jerusalemer Urtempels, nicht um dieses Hiram-Abif-Konstrukt. Wie es war, war es richtig und ich habe es jetzt auch wieder dahin korrigiert. Alles andere wäre schlich falsch. -- Marcus Cyron (talk) 00:01, 12 September 2021 (UTC)

GND 119135272 steht für "Hiram, Baumeister Salomons". Für ihn liegen Artikel in 17 Sprachversionen vor. Die biblische Figur (en:Hiram Abiff#Other accounts of a biblical Hiram) hatte bislang keinen eigenen Artikel. Die GND bezieht sich auf die gleiche mythische Person wie der Eintrag in LCAuth. Ein Toreut ist kein Baumeister, daher meine Korrektur, um den Doppeleintrag zu vermeiden. Imho wäre es besser gewesen, erst den Artikel de:Hiram Abif, wo ja u.a. vom 2. Buch der Chronik die Rede ist, zu ergänzen und dann die Frage der Auslagerung zu diskutieren, statt parallel einen unabhängigen Artikel zu erstellen. --Kolja21 (talk) 00:48, 12 September 2021 (UTC)
Nachtrag: Ansetzungsform LCAuth n2015034398 "Hiram Abiff (Biblical figure)". --Kolja21 (talk) 18:50, 12 September 2021 (UTC)

Ernst Schulze (Q21588389)

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Der KrBot scheint nicht der Hellste zu sein. Nach Auflösung des Redirects durch Special:Diff/1496353571 ist die VIAF 187721987 doppelt. Einmal normal (durh KrBot), einmal als Vermischung (hab ich mal eingetragen und war damals so). Da gibt es sicher mehr, aber wie finden? --Wurgl (talk) 06:50, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

Hallo @Wurgl: Ähnliche Fälle sind mir auch schon bei der GND aufgefallen. Man könnte die Listen:
danach durchsuchen, ob IDs doppelt eingetragen sind. --Kolja21 (talk) 11:46, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

Ausgewertet VIAF

GND

LC-Auth

NDL gibts keine Treffer. --Wurgl (talk) 20:36, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

Danke für die Liste. Ich gehe die nächsten Tag die GNDs durch. --Kolja21 (talk) 22:41, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

Nachdem ich heute bei Silewe was geschrieben und das hier verlinkt habe, hab ich mal schnell eine Auswertung gemacht. 11 neue Fälle. --Wurgl (talk) 20:33, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

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Place of birth in GND

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Hi! Could you correct https://d-nb.info/gnd/188479422 (Renato Funiciello (Q59527925)), who was born in Tripolis in Libya, not in Arcadia? Thanks! --Epìdosis 11:49, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

@Epìdosis: Done. Thanks for the hint. --Kolja21 (talk) 14:35, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

Duplication in GND

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Hi! https://portal.dnb.de/opac.htm?method=simpleSearch&cqlMode=true&query=nid%3D118895885 and https://portal.dnb.de/opac.htm?method=simpleSearch&cqlMode=true&query=nid%3D1044798904 seem to be the same person (Prince Emanuele Filiberto, 2nd Duke of Aosta (Q445106)). Could you check? Thanks! --Epìdosis 07:42, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

@Epìdosis: Indeed the same person. GND 1044798904 contained a typo (field date of death: 04.07.1931; field year: 1938). I've filed a report.[2] --Kolja21 (talk) 10:42, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

Probably wrong Sterbeort

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In https://portal.dnb.de/opac.htm?method=simpleSearch&cqlMode=true&query=nid%3D1116026481 (= Martina Caruso (Q109121633)) I see a death place which should probably be a place of activity; I would suggest also adding birth date and birth place. Thanks as always, --Epìdosis 13:01, 23 October 2021 (UTC)

@Epìdosis: Done. Thanks for noticing. --Kolja21 (talk) 17:47, 23 October 2021 (UTC)

GND duplication

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Hi! Ernesto Pirovano (Q109245594) is a strange case of duplication in GND, since the two IDs are both relatively good. Could you merge them? I have also reconstructed the genealogical tree for more clearness (https://www.entitree.com/en/family_tree/Q109245594). Thanks, --Epìdosis 17:41, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

@Epìdosis:
  • GND 1056761288 by Bibliotheksservice-Zentrum Baden-Württemberg (BSZ) [DE-576]
  • GND 114636475X by Ibero-Amerikanisches Institut Preußischer Kulturbesitz, Bibliothek [DE-204]
GND 1056761288 was using the field "Wirkungsdaten" (floruit) instead of birth / death. Therefore, the records were not automatically merged. I've improved GND 1056761288 (thanks for the family tree) and filed a report, see de:Wikipedia:GND/Fehlermeldung/Oktober 2021#Todesjahr nach 1850. --Kolja21 (talk) 22:14, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

Preventive disambiguation in GND for Italian researchers

Latest comment: 2 years ago12 comments2 people in discussion

Hi! Excuse me for disturbing you again! I see that sometimes GND, very much with foresight, having an entry X creates entries about homonym people Xs in order to make it more difficult their confusion in the future. In the last weeks I have been working a lot on Italian researchers (I will probably continue to do so in the next months, in collaboration with some Italian universities; see WD:IRIS) and I have had to disambiguate complex cases of homonym researches very frequently. In some cases only one of the homonym researchers had a GND, thus potentially homonym ones could be created (the last is "Alfonso Caiazzo"). I would ask you: would you like that I list somewhere cases of Italian homonym researchers, one being in GND and others not yet, so that you can eventually create entries for the missing ones? If so, I am available ;-) Thank you very much in advance! --Epìdosis 07:42, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

Hi @Epìdosis: I have to disappoint you. GNDs are normally only created if there is material in libraries or archives. But if you send me the list I see what I can do. I'm happy when I can support the work of WD:IRIS. In cases like the surgeon Alfonso Caiazzo (Q102310983) = LCAuth + DNB 1076825761 (edition available in the German National Library) a GND will be created without any doubt. --Kolja21 (talk) 08:20, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
Thanks for correcting my impression! Although preventive disambiguation might be a good policy, it is certainly expensive in terms of more work to be done, so creating IDs only if there is material available is perfectly fine in my opinion. So, here are the homonyms I solved in October, I selected only the cases in which at least one of them has a GND ID; probably in many cases the other homonyms have no works in GND, since many of them are only authors of scientific articles and scientific articles are rarely cataloged in library catalogs. I hope the list could be useful at least for some name, you can have a look when you have time: "Giorgio Ferrero", "Alfonso Sorrentino", "Laura Parisi", "Martina Caruso", "Claudia Lazzaro", "Maurizio Ciampa", "Sergio Conti", "Mario Toscano", "Antonio D'Ambrosio", "Carlo Bianchini", "Maria Cristina Rossi", "Carlo Santini", "Pietro Ruschi", "Marco Cardinali", "Fabio Martini", "Claudio Ferri", "Cesare Masala", "Giuseppe Di Iorio", "Alessandro Pistoia", "Jacopo Bruno", "Ilaria Bucci", "Marco Ugolini", "Paolo Giannotti", "Luca Papini", "Umberto Palagi", "Giuseppe Meucci", "Francesco Marone", "Stefano De Martino", "Michele D'Arienzo", "Andrea Giardina". If you desire, I can then list also the cases I solved in August and September. See you soon, --Epìdosis 08:56, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
@Epìdosis: Thanks for the list. Giorgio Ferrero (Q97457729), mathematician = SBN IT\ICCU\SBLV\079819: "Nessun risultato trovato". I can't find him in OPAC SBN Voci controllate. --Kolja21 (talk) 09:28, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
This is the most annoying problem we have with authority control here in Italy. Like GND, our SBN is a collective catalog, so also the authority file is compiled collectively. It seems that SBN has about 4M personal names authority records; however, SBN chose to show in the OPAC (and to send to VIAF) only the IDs which are judged to have a very high level of completeness, which are about 0.2M as of now; the other IDs, although present, are hidden, so that you obtain a result like that; I sometimes add them with the search link as reference, because the search link works; in the future, when the "level" of the hidden authority record will be judged satisfying, it will become visible (we don't know exactly when, maybe tomorrow or maybe in ten years ...). It is a highly frustrating system, because it makes very difficult to link to elsewhere the greatest part of our national authority file; such links from Wikidata or other databases would make enriching poor authority IDs much easier for SBN itself; we as WD:GWMAB are advocating for making the visible part of SBN authority file much bigger, but we haven't succeeded yet in obtaining this. As of now, retaining such SBN IDs has some sense, because the reference link allows to consult the works of the author and because we hope to use these IDs as part of our advocacy, but the situation is still far from optimal. Sad. --Epìdosis 09:38, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
LCAuth n2014069145 = Giorgio Ferrero (Esercitazioni di Chimica Fisica, 1945) seems to be a chemist a generation older. --Kolja21 (talk) 09:36, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
I should investigate more deeply the case of Giorgio Ferrero this afternoon, I think. --Epìdosis 09:43, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
So, regarding Giorgio Ferrero (Q97457729): the SBN ID IT\ICCU\SBLV\079819 (whose works are https://opac.sbn.it/opacsbn/opaclib?db=solr_iccu&resultForward=opac/iccu/brief.jsp&from=1&nentries=20&searchForm=opac/iccu/error.jsp&do_cmd=search_show_cmd&item:5032:Nomi::@frase@=SBLV079819), despite conflating many different persons, shows a series of publications regarding mathematics and chemistry starting from http://id.sbn.it/bid/CUB0271220 (1937) and arriving to http://id.sbn.it/bid/TO01277061 (1985); it includes http://id.sbn.it/bid/CUB0238384 (1945), the same in LcNAF, and says that Giorgio M. Ferrero was a chemist related to the Politecnico di Torino; significantly publications from 1937 to 1985 are nearly all published in Torino, and articles listed in zbMath are mostly published in the Atti dell'Accademia delle Scienze di Torino. I think it is plausible to think that the same chemist born in the 1910s and died in the 1980s or afterwards was active in Torino from the 1930s to the 1980s. Do you agree? --Epìdosis 14:20, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
I can help in cases like Alfonso Caiazzo (Q102310983). But if there is no authority record like BnF, IdRef or LCAuth and no year of birth the research becomes too time-consuming. But please keep me updated. Cheers --Kolja21 (talk) 09:56, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
So, only in a few cases important authority files had all the variety of homonyms already well registered; in some cases I was able to find years of birth in curricula or other webpages, but where I didn't add a birth year I think it is probably impossible to find it in the Internet. I can report you in the next weeks only cases in which I was able to find the birth dates of all the homonyms. Let me know if others from the list above were somewhat useful (anyway, I will surely see if you add GND IDs to these items, they are all in my watchlist!). Thank you very much as always! --Epìdosis 14:20, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
Just one more note: it is always a pleasure to have often the possibility to connect new (or old improved) items to GND, especially when it is the only authority file having an entry for these persons (e.g. Patrizio Raffa (Q60983823) a few minutes ago). These links from Wikidata to GND will quickly improve in the next months for Italian researchers. --Epìdosis 16:51, 27 October 2021 (UTC) P.S. Thanks for the GND IDs you have created today!

I see you have created many IDs from the above ones, so hoping to do something useful I send you some more homonyms I solved in November: Valentina Cardinali, Anna Grimaldi, Paolo Vitali, Stefano Gizzi, Chiara Fioravanti, Santo Privitera, Chiara Bernardini, Valentina Consoli, Marco Paci, Andrea Camilli, Laura Gasparri, Valeria Tosti, Bianca De Divitiis, Alessandra Cimmino, Barbara Pistilli, Francesco Fratto, Fabio Turato, Antonio Natali, Roberto Romano, Giovanni Battista Moretti, Giulio Vannini, Roberto Vetrugno, Francesco Duranti, Anna Mori, Stefania Ronci, Stefania Spina, Antonio Agresta. --Epìdosis 13:57, 21 November 2021 (UTC)

Human merged into duo

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Please note [3]. --- Jura 21:18, 7 November 2021 (UTC)

Hi, I've already reported the case in de:Wikipedia:GND/Fehlermeldung/November 2021: Whit Masterson, Gemeinschaftspseudonym. --Kolja21 (talk) 21:24, 7 November 2021 (UTC)

typo in GND ID

Latest comment: 2 years ago8 comments3 people in discussion

Hi. I am performing a clean-up of items related to scientific and technical experts and members of the Swiss academia. See here for more information (feel free to revise the items, BTW).

In the meantime, I am listing in this section some typos or mistakes in external IDs for later.

User:Epìdosis told me to contact you about possible mistakes in GND items. Please notice that here the Geschlecht is clearly wrong. If you can correct it, you can add it as a source.--Alessandro Marchetti (WMCH) (talk) 17:06, 13 November 2021 (UTC)

  Done Thanks for noticing. --Kolja21 (talk) 17:57, 13 November 2021 (UTC)

Hi, there is another little one here Beruf is currently Informatikerin (so female, this is a man). item Jacques Savoy (Q109590633).--Alessandro Marchetti (WMCH) (talk) 22:51, 15 November 2021 (UTC)

  Done --Kolja21 (talk) 00:08, 16 November 2021 (UTC)

Hi! Alessandro reported me that VIAF had some confusion around Michael Mommert. I tried to disentangle two homonym people on Wikidata, it seems GND in https://portal.dnb.de/opac.htm?method=simpleSearch&cqlMode=true&query=nid%3D1036943879 mixes them (e.g Lektüreschlüssel. Thomas Mann: Mario und der Zauberer from the first and Remnant Planetesimals and their Collisional Fragments from the second). Could you have a look? Thanks as always, --Epìdosis 19:42, 16 November 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for noticing. The GND is correct, but the DNB links the wrong titles. I have filed a report. --Kolja21 (talk) 23:18, 16 November 2021 (UTC)

Hi! Another small correction to be done Ronny ist nicht weiblich. Ronny Seiger (Q109607792). Thanks!--Alessandro Marchetti (WMCH) (talk) 23:57, 16 November 2021 (UTC)

  Done --Kolja21 (talk) 00:54, 17 November 2021 (UTC)

Unclear GND

Latest comment: 2 years ago3 comments2 people in discussion

Hi! https://portal.dnb.de/opac.htm?method=simpleSearch&cqlMode=true&query=nid%3D174182724 is not so clear about who it represents; I see no occupation and no links to publications. Maybe Carlo Belli (Q109651963)? Thanks, --Epìdosis 14:17, 20 November 2021 (UTC)

I suspect a duplicate of https://d-nb.info/gnd/11927826X = Carlo Belli (Q3659054) (1903-1991), Italian writer. I'll try to find out. --Kolja21 (talk) 16:05, 20 November 2021 (UTC)
The GND was created by DE-605 = North Rhine-Westphalian Library Service Centre (Q18085187):
So it's a duplicate. I've filed a report.   Done --Kolja21 (talk) 16:37, 20 November 2021 (UTC)

GND conflation

Latest comment: 2 years ago4 comments2 people in discussion

Just found the case of Silvia Panichi; the older Silvia Panichi (Q109659647) seems to be conflated with the younger Silvia Panichi (Q109659647) in all VIAF members, a disaster; GND has an ID for the elder, but e.g. in https://katalog.ub.uni-heidelberg.de/cgi-bin/search.cgi?sort=1&query=au%3A1056564431 the first two works (Dall'Egeo all'Eufrate and La Cappadocia ellenistica sotto gli Ariaratidi ca. 250-100 a.C.) are by the younger. Could you have a look? Thanks, --Epìdosis 15:59, 21 November 2021 (UTC)

Historian of antiquity vs art historian (Q109659579) with the same name? That sounds complicated. Thanks for noticing. I will look at it later. --Kolja21 (talk) 16:27, 21 November 2021 (UTC)
It sounded to me to. But the art historian is clearly born in 1957 and graduated in 1980 in Pisa (see profile https://www.einaudi.it/autori/silvia-panichi/ + https://www.melobox.it/silvia-panichi-archeologa-pinacoteca-servolini-collesalvetti/), while the historian of antiquity got a PhD in 2003 in Pisa and has been researcher in Perugia (see profile https://www.olschki.it/catalogo/autore/4286). Significantly both publishers don't mention publications about ancient history for the art historian and about ancient art for the historian of antiquity. So, after all, I am pretty sure of the distinction. . --Epìdosis 18:24, 21 November 2021 (UTC)
@Epìdosis: I totally agree. https://d-nb.info/gnd/1056564431 was originally for the 1957 born person and later used for both. I've added the missing information. --Kolja21 (talk) 18:53, 21 November 2021 (UTC)

Luigi Forni

Latest comment: 2 years ago4 comments2 people in discussion

Hi! I've just found https://d-nb.info/gnd/116663448: it is probably meant to represent Luigi Forni (Q110271642), but the work currently associated to it is by Luigi Forni (Q110271588) (where I have added it). Could you split? Thanks! --Epìdosis 20:45, 26 December 2021 (UTC) P.S. Of course, have a nice holiday period!

Hi @Epìdosis: Thanks for the hint. The works are linked incorrectly. I've found the following namesakes:
I have no hint, that the military is identical with the archaeologist (if there is a archaeologist). I suppose that the author of The Dove and the Bear (what is the original title?) is identical with the author of Spie di Pankow, spie di Bonn (1965). Is this correct? --Kolja21 (talk) 21:47, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
Yes, I think that the author of The Dove and the Bear (despite long searches I found nowhere its Italian title) is identical with the author of Spie di Pankow, spie di Bonn (1965); yes, "garibaldino" is a supporter of en:Giuseppe Garibaldi; so, Luigi Forni (Q110271642) (the military) was also author, according to SBN and BAV, of Relazione degli scavi eseguiti in Modena sulla fine dell'anno 1844 e nel 1845 (1852), thus I think that the identification is probable. --Epìdosis 22:08, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
I've filed a report for the incorrectly linked book. Presumably the "archaeologist" is identical with the military but since there is no prove (and GND 116663448 is misused already) I've created a new GND for Luigi Forni (Q110271642) (1806-1877), military. --Kolja21 (talk) 22:31, 26 December 2021 (UTC)
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