Wikidata:Property proposal/character type

Description	character type (e.g. character archetype, stock character, character stereotype etc.) this fictional character represents
Represents	stock character (Q636497)
Data type	Item
Domain	fictional character (Q95074)
Allowed values	stock character (Q636497)
Example 1	Emmett Brown (Q2337004) → absent-minded professor (Q897028)
Example 2	Crazy Cat Lady (Q10261380) → cat lady (Q5051098)
Example 3	Snow White (Q2739228) → ingenue (Q117482)
Example 4	Natsuki (Q65040172) → tsundere (Q1047501)
Example 5	Yuno Gasai (Q16650986) → yandere (Q1370621)
Example 6	Rei Ayanami (Q1140524) → kuudere (Q65600712)
Planned use	moving of information related to character types from narrative role (P5800) to this new property
See also	narrative role (P5800) personality trait of fictional character in discussion

Currently narrative role (P5800) is used both for narrative roles ("protagonist", "antagonist", "sidekick"), including concepts capturing the importance of a character and character types. During the proposal of this property Shisma already pointed out that these are different concepts and may need different properties. To avoid ambiguities as to whether narrative role (P5800) or this new property should be applied (this might be the case with items like confidant (Q5160063) or Mentor (Q56605613)), the scope of narrative role (P5800) should be restricted to a list of allowed values. Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 12:33, 22 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comment To clarify − this would be used as main statements to these character items − not as qualifier to characters (P674) − correct? Jean-Fred (talk) 16:13, 22 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Is this going to be an issue for some characters? Is it at all common for some characters to be of a different type in different works featuring the character? --Yair rand (talk) 22:12, 23 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, that's not uncommon, but it's also not a problem; the character item could have multiple 'character archetype' statements with present in work (P1441) as qualifier, like is done for narrative age (P6249) (for instance). Arlo Barnes (talk) 22:26, 24 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Would you mind if we use a citation needed constraint (Q54554025) on this property? Anything else seems like asking for editing warring in the future. --Trade (talk) 17:05, 22 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Support --Tinker Bell ★ ♥ 01:15, 23 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Support Don't ping me NMaia (talk) 03:00, 24 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Support -- being able to allow 'narrative role' to be limited to a few 'standard' types by transferring the rest here justifies this property by itself IMO. Arlo Barnes (talk) 22:40, 24 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comment would the components of a https://allthetropes.org/wiki/Four-Temperament_Ensemble be this, or instead fall under the character personality type proposal? Arlo Barnes (talk) 22:26, 24 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- I think for the temperaments themselves (melancholic, choleric, sanguine, phlegmatic) we should rather use personality trait (e.g personality traitcholeric (Q80085). For a character type characterized by the predominance of one of the tempers (e.g. The Lancer) We should use character type (e.g. character typeThe Lancer). A good source for a character type statement would need to be a secondary source. For personality trait statements the work itself can be a good source, if the author explicitly describes the character as having this personality trait. - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 13:11, 26 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]