Wikidata:Property proposal/when used with property

‎when used with property

Originally proposed at Wikidata:Property proposal/Generic

   Withdrawn

Description	when used with property
Data type	Property
Domain	classes (quallifier for properties for this type (P1963))
Example 1	bridge (Q12280)properties for this type (P1963)number of spans (P1314)when used with propertyleft blank/no value (instance of (P31) is implied)
Example 2	writer (Q36180)properties for this type (P1963)Goodreads author ID (P2963)when used with propertyoccupation (P106)
Example 3	science fiction literature (Q3238422)properties for this type (P1963)ISFDB title ID (P1274)when used with propertygenre (P136)

Motivation

properties for this type (P1963) is useful for recommending missing props on an entity based on what the entity is an instance of.

Unfortunatly it only works classes that can be linked with instance of (P31) which isn't how many properties are linked. Some classes that would be a good determiner which properties would be useful are linked with occupation (P106) or genre (P136) or platform (P400).

@Thierry Caro: appearently thought so too, when they changed the description to also apply on occupation (P106).

I basically agree, but why should it only apply on occupation (P106)? Either we agree, it is only limited to instance of (P31) or we properly document which properties are allowed.  – The preceding unsigned comment was added by Shisma (talk • contribs) at 08:42, 30 August 2023 (UTC).

@YotaMoteuchi, Sanqui, Kirilloparma, Azertus, ChristianKl:Update: I decided to withdraw this proposal for two reasons:

1. There is an already existing property which could do the same job applies to use with property (P11527)
2. I figured we already have constraints that could be used to fulfill the same job and they are allready well maintained.

If you still think, this proposal should be persued, feel free to reopen it 🤷 –Shisma (talk) 07:27, 6 September 2023 (UTC)

Discussion

@TomT0m, Ivan A. Krestinin, Zolo, Josh Baumgartner: (everybody who was in involved with properties for this type (P1963))

•  Support. (
  applsdev Arlo Barnes BugWarp Coloradohusky CommanderKefir CptViraj Cupkake4Yoshi Cwf97 Cynde Moya Danrok Datumizer Dexxor Diggr Dispenser Dollarsign8 DoublePendulumAttractor EdoAug Edolusill Eniehack Facenapalm Floyd-out FullyAwesome Harshrathod50 Jean-Frédéric Keplersj Kirilloparma Lewis Hulbert LotsofTheories Macocobovi Macrike Master Of Ninja Matthias M. Metafire18 Nicereddy Odjob16 Oduci Poslovitch Rampagingcarrot RampantSpirit Santer Sight Contamination SuperUltraHardCoreGamer - Joined to add things about Steam Deck verified/playable titles. Skills: Basic editing. thgiex Tomodachi94 VGPaleontologist Wd-Ryan WikiSyn YotaMoteuchi Athayahisyam
  Notified participants of WikiProject Video games as having a such property for platform (P400) could be a good idea.) YotaMoteuchi (talk) 05:43, 2 September 2023 (UTC)
•  Comment Are there any tools which use properties for this type (P1963), and which would implement support for this "when used with property" property should it be added? --Sanqui (talk) 08:03, 2 September 2023 (UTC)

  Wikidata for firefox has such a feature in an early stage of development. It works well with podcasts and miserably with video games Shisma (talk) 18:21, 2 September 2023 (UTC)

•  Comment. This proposal appears to be a fork of applies to use with property (P11527), a property that I created a couple months ago, so I'm not sure why we need a property with almost the same name. What about a schema like this?

writer (Q36180)↓

properties for this type	Goodreads author ID edit applies to use with property occupation 0 references add reference
		add value

Regards Kirilloparma (talk) 14:36, 2 September 2023 (UTC)

Sounds good to me. If we can agree to use it in this way 👌 Shisma (talk) 18:22, 2 September 2023 (UTC)

Does "‎when used with property" make sense as an aka label for applies to use with property (P11527) in that schema? Azertus (talk) 14:41, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

 Oppose the intented meaning is not clear to me by reading the property description and examples. ChristianKl ❪✉❫ 04:09, 5 September 2023 (UTC)