Wikidata:Requests for permissions/Administrator/Cekli829

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Closing as unsuccessful, the support is insufficient at this point.--Ymblanter (talk) 13:04, 21 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Cekli829 (talk • contribs • new items • new lexemes • SUL • Block log • User rights log • User rights • xtools)

Greetings all. I am Cekli829 (my real name: Tərxan Paşazadə) nominate for adminship on Wikidata. I currently have about 400+ RfD. I may not have much experience outside RfD, but I'm a quick learner. I feel that being able to delete merged items myself would lessen the load on WD:RFD considerably, in addition to being able to help in that area as well. I would be happy to take such a task upon me every now and again, and therefore now ask for such permission. You can trust me. Thank you for your consideration!

Not: Wikidata is part of the multilingual Wikimedia family. However, almost no users turkish languages here: Wikidata:List of administrators. I work especially with turkish languages (az, tr, ky, uz, kk etc.) content. --►Cekli 829 11:14, 14 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Support --Araz Yaquboglu (talk) 11:39, 14 September 2014 (UTC)...[reply]
Support -- Vlsergey (talk) 11:57, 14 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral per below. Jianhui67^{talk★contribs} 14:56, 14 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral Per Jianhui67 Eurodyne (talk) 15:29, 14 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose I can't really support this. Wikidata-wise; deletion of merged items will be obsolete shortly so administrators who are only useful in this area are not going to be useful in the long run of about a month or two. The block; while off-topic is an issue for a project like Wikidata which serves to provide a resource for every single project. I also won't comment in the steward elections which GZWDer pointed out because I don't feel it will add more worth to this but it acts as a back up. John F. Lewis (talk) 15:56, 14 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Strong oppose Runs every year in steward elections, despite being told extremely repeatedly that he would not pass, which makes me doubt his or her judgement. For example, his statement shows that (s)he does not understand the meaning of experience and, from "Special note: I'm opposed to english domination on WP." and GZWDer's note below, is not able to work in a multilingual environment like this one. Furthermore, (s)he never answered his questions in a satisfactory manner. Locally though, RfD will be mostly obsolete soon as well, per John. While the replies to questions below aren't as bad as in the steward election, I still think Cekli829 sidesteps (i.e. avoids actually answering) questions, which I think is a serious communication problem. For all of this, I strongly oppose this request.--Jasper Deng (talk) 16:25, 14 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Not: This is no Steward Election. ;) --►Cekli 829 16:31, 14 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
They are both an election for a position of trust though. John F. Lewis (talk) 16:32, 14 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@Cekli829: I believe the issues are valid and still affect your suitability for adminship here.--Jasper Deng (talk) 16:45, 14 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

(after multiple edit conflicts) Have you considered asking questions in a language closer to Azeri? Possibly that might help the communication problem. Wikidata though claims it is a free knowledge base for anyone not exclusively for English natives or users who had the luck to have learnt English in school. Vogone (talk) 16:33, 14 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
At the steward election, a question was asked to him/her in Russian. According to Google translate, his/her answer to that is no more satisfactory than his/her answers in English.--Jasper Deng (talk) 16:43, 14 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
How is Russian a Turk language? O_o Vogone (talk) 16:44, 14 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
He is ru-3 while en-2 which is where I think Jasper is coming from. John F. Lewis (talk) 16:46, 14 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

His problems obviously are not dependent on the language he uses. And in any case, until automatic translation becomes real, many users will be giving him/her questions in English and if (s)he can't work in that language to at least some form of competency, I can't trust him/her.--Jasper Deng (talk) 16:48, 14 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
So if we changed the main working language to e.g. German we could safely exclude you from serving as an admin, right? Or how shall I interpret this? I see where your concerns come from but I can fully understand the frustration of non-English speakers willing to contribute to a "multilingual" project like Wikidata. This is likely also where Cekli's "English language domination" claim comes from. Vogone (talk) 16:52, 14 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I'm all for cultural diversity, coming from a region where that is very important. But I'm being pragmatic here: our working language is English and admins should at least be able to request translations if they do not understand the language. I don't see Cekli829 trying that hard to bridge the language barrier (I don't think we have a dearth of users speaking his language(s)).--Jasper Deng (talk) 17:05, 14 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think "RfD will be mostly obsolete soon as well" is correct. More and more pages in Wikimedia are deleted and there will be more and more empty items.--GZWDer (talk) 04:47, 15 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
While a correct observation, think about how many requests to RFD were merge based? I'm guessing 90% or more from what I've seen while an administrator here. John F. Lewis (talk) 07:07, 15 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Neutral I'm unconcerned by the matter of steward elections (that has nothing to do with Wikidata and four requests for advanced permissions is not unheard of (someone on enwiki made seven RFAs!), but merging items is no longer an admin task. I'll stay at neutral until my question to Cekli829 is answered. --Jakob (talk) 16:38, 14 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I weakly support this. Having an experienced admin with knowledge in Turk languages won't harm, especially since Cekli claimed to focus mainly on Turk language issues. If we fear admin inactivity, there's a process for that. Vogone (talk) 16:42, 14 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Demoting to the project is not enough to be admin, for me. — revi ^{^} 17:10, 14 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral--DangSunM (talk) 17:13, 14 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Support Fills a language need and seems to do good work. I'm not seeing too many communication problems on this request or here in general. Ajraddatz (talk) 19:37, 14 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per Jasper. Sorry. --AmaryllisGardener Public ^talk 21:03, 14 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Moving to oppose due to the vague answers to the questions. --Jakob (talk) 15:14, 15 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Communication issues, and a bit confrontational on this request. --Rs chen 7754 01:53, 16 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Support --Arystanbek (talk) 07:01, 16 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Support --Нұрлан Рахымжанов (talk) 09:06, 16 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Support --Daniyar (talk) 11:00, 16 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Moving to oppose due to communication issues. Eurodyne (talk | contribs) 01:44, 17 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Allan J. Aguilar (Ralgis) 04:56, 17 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Support--Sortilegus (talk) 17:02, 17 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Support — Абылай (talk) 16:46, 18 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Per Jasper Deng. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 09:11, 19 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose I'm seeing bad communication issues and a complete unwillingness to admit to them and try to get them fixed. T C N7JM 10:21, 19 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
@TCN7JM: Regarding "complete unwillingness to admit to them": [1], [2], [3]. Are you sure about this claim? I mean he did admit to it at least three times already. Vogone (talk) 09:46, 20 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

And FWIW, he offered to limit his admin work mainly to Turk language/wiki-related issues, which would fall under "try to get them fixed". Vogone (talk) 09:58, 20 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral I don't know, sorry. Matěj Suchánek (talk) 08:19, 20 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose --Steinsplitter (talk) 10:14, 20 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose --Succu (talk) 21:51, 20 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Comments edit

Hi Cekli829, Are you aware of the possibility to avoid RfD for a merged item by creating redirects? Lymantria (talk) 13:35, 14 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
- Hi Lymantria. Thanks for your question! Yes, I am aware of; but I'm not sure exactly. For example, it you are referring to?[4] --►Cekli 829 13:52, 14 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  - No, I mean you can merge without deletion, see for instance here. It is just a matter of checking another box in merge.js. Kind regards, Lymantria (talk) 13:56, 14 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
    - Very good! Thank you for the information. I take into consideration. Best regards, --►Cekli 829 14:05, 14 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
(In fact, I want to say that much earlier) Per m:Stewards/Elections 2014/Votes/Cekli829, although there're huge cultural conflict between Azerbaijan and Armenia, and you think your block in hywiki is a problematic block, you should request an unblock at hywiki after you promise not to do any anti-Armenia action (and remove all content which could be perceived as an insult to Armenia), Just ping Beko at your talk page. This will bring much more support in any admin or steward if the problem is resolved (i.e. unblocked). --GZWDer (talk) 14:23, 14 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
- Yes, this will bring much more support in any admin or steward if the problem is resolved. But unfortunately ... 4 years, this obstacle was always a problem for me. --►Cekli 829 15:50, 14 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Question @Cekli829: Did you intend to use the admin bit for anything other than merging items? --Jakob (talk) 16:39, 14 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
- Answer @Jakec: Thanks Mr.Jakob. If the admin, I can devote more time to the project. My job required, I can do all matters, I can help. --►Cekli 829 17:03, 14 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  - @Cekli829: Exactly what other admin tasks do you envision yourself doing if you get admin rights? --Jakob (talk) 21:32, 14 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
    - In accordance with the rights and abilities. --►Cekli 829 05:24, 15 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
      - @Cekli829: Because few administrators focus on all administrator tasks, Jakob is asking you to be more specific.--Jasper Deng (talk) 05:50, 15 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
        As mentioned above: I work especially with turkish languages (az, tr, ky, uz, kk etc.) content. --►Cekli 829 06:09, 15 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
        That does not answer the question because Jakob is asking about administrator tasks. If do not know what an administrator task is, then you should not be an administrator.--Jasper Deng (talk) 06:21, 15 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
        Jasper Deng, for example, you can look here to azwiki activity in the admin. Here, too, no problem for me to be a good admin. Just have language problems. --►Cekli 829 06:42, 15 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
        
        OK. Jakob and Jasper Deng, clearer: I would mostly like to help with checking whether merged pages can be deleted and esc. My first job will be dealing with this category: ky:Категория:Wikipedia:Интервикиси жок макалалар and uz:Turkum:Vikipediya:Intervikisiz maqolalar --►Cekli 829 07:07, 15 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Question for Oppose votes: In this project belong to me did you see any wrong? Best regards to everyone, --►Cekli 829 17:18, 14 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
- The main problem is the communication problems I've seen on this page.--Jasper Deng (talk) 17:22, 14 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
  - Yes, because my English is not good. But Wikidata is part of the multilingual Wikimedia family. --►Cekli 829 17:24, 14 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
    - Judging from your recent edits, I haven't seen any effort to get the questions and other statements translated.--Jasper Deng (talk) 17:26, 14 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
      - Every work has its own time. Well, I have done nothing wrong in changes did you see? --►Cekli 829 17:33, 14 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
        That's not the problem. Your replies here show that you're unsuitable to be an administrator here. That's all.--Jasper Deng (talk) 17:35, 14 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
        I do not agree with you. Just all the problems, language problems. --►Cekli 829 17:40, 14 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]
        Cekli, what you think you are doing is correct may not be accepted by others. For example, I am seeing some communication problems here which you think you do not have. Jianhui67^{talk★contribs} 03:18, 15 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Cekli, your first answer to Jakob made me oppose. Nothing else. (I don't care about SE or RfP elsewhere.) — revi ^{^} 08:39, 15 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

So, the next answers? --►Cekli 829 08:53, 15 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@Hym411: Did you mean devote or demote? ;) Jianhui67^{talk★contribs} 11:13, 15 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@Cekli829: The categories you have given are not from Wikidata. Please explain what Wikidata administrative tasks you are going to do. Jianhui67^{talk★contribs} 11:13, 15 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@Jianhui67: These categories contains pages without interwiki. They should be linked to other page and related items should be merged. but @Cekli829: this does not need admin bit, you can now create redirects between items.--GZWDer (talk) 11:17, 15 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@GZWDer: In addition to the above: Activities based on my intensity, for cleaning purposes, according to the deletion policy, which will be related to the deletion process. --►Cekli 829 11:50, 15 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@GZWDer: Oh so that's how these categories work. Jianhui67^{talk★contribs} 12:03, 15 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Comment For the "pages without interwiki", IMHO of IMHO of IMHO, I suggest you can use this, nah need any rights... --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 09:32, 19 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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