Wikidata:Property proposal/linguistic family of place name
linguistic family of place name
editOriginally proposed at Wikidata:Property proposal/Generic
| Description | Relates directly a placename to its original language family. It's not the language in which the toponym is written, but the language from which the word (place name) comes from. |
|---|---|
| Data type | Item |
| Example 1 | Chía (Q1093102)→Chibchan (Q520478) |
| Example 2 | La Calera (Q1440823)→Indo-European (Q19860) |
| Example 3 | Otanche (Q1577588)→Cariban (Q33090) |
Motivation
editBefore reading please notice that probably the examples above are wrong because I don't understand how the example template works.
Right now I haven't found a way to relate each toponym to a linguistic root, or a language family. There is a native label (Q45025080) item, but in its description is pointing to how the word is written in its original/native language.
I want to do this classification so I can organize an classify each toponym with its language family and do it a in a more scientific way. Right now I am adding a new statement for each toponym I am interested in using the language of work or name (P407) property and then adding the value of its language family to each "language of work or name" property. Here is the query: https://w.wiki/86BD
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Technically it works, but the information I am linking doesn't corresponds to how science, linguists, onomastics and toponymy studies the language family of place names. Probably the property I am suggesting is too specific to one set of data (language family (Q25295)), so maybe it is better to find a way for a property to hold more linguistic information, such as "evolution of the name through history" or a "why this place is called that way". This is up to discussion. – The preceding unsigned comment was added by Duityors (talk • contribs) at 18:22, October 30, 2023 (UTC).
Notified participants of WikiProject Languages Regards, ZI Jony (Talk) 06:58, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
Notified participants of WikiProject Names Regards, ZI Jony (Talk) 06:58, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
Discussion
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Support, an important property for linguistics.--Arbnos (talk) 20:37, 12 January 2024 (UTC)- @Duityors:, are you interested to continue this property proposal? However, your query also not working! Regards, ZI Jony (Talk) 10:34, 20 January 2024 (UTC)
- Hello @ZI Jony, yes I am interested in continue the proposal.
- Here is the link for the query: https://w.wiki/86BD Thank you. Duityors (talk) 22:52, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
Comment @Duityors: in another forum in November, I mentioned to you that if the original language and meaning in that original language of the place names was known, lexemes could be created for those names as a first step (either adding senses referring to the places to those lexemes, or linking Spanish lexemes for those places to the original language lexemes via derived from lexeme (P5191), as a later step). Two months later, perhaps that seems like a better idea? Mahir256 (talk) 17:35, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
- @Mahir256 Until know I can sit and analyze your comment. Thank you! I am going to research more about lexeme creation. Still, I am still interested in this proposal. Duityors (talk) 22:35, 31 January 2024 (UTC)
Oppose If I understood this proposal right, origin of a word can be stated with the property derived from lexeme (P5191) in the lexeme item. --Tinker Bell ★ ♥ 20:32, 12 April 2024 (UTC)
Weak oppose Also in my opinion, the best place to link these linguistic facts is the lexemes namespace. I agree with the comment from Tinker Bell: derived from lexeme (P5191) could be sufficient and more or less correct, instead of a new property. --Luca.favorido (talk) 16:55, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
Not done, no consensus of proposed property at this time based on the above discussion. Regards, ZI Jony (Talk) 12:33, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
