Wikidata:Property proposal/type of artefact(s)

type of artefact(s)

Originally proposed at Wikidata:Property proposal/Generic

   Done: type of document(s) held (P11868) (Talk and documentation)

Description	used to specify the type of artefact(s) contained in a collection or in an archival fonds
Data type	Item
Domain	heritage (Q2434238)
Allowed values	For the performing arts domain, see for example: Types of artefacts documenting activities related to the performing arts (usage is however not limited to those values, as the property may be used to describe any type of heritage collection or archive).
Example 1	Zbigniew Stok (Q111411407) → archives at (P485) → Zurich City Archives (Q27490306) / Qualifier: <type of artefact(s)> → Nachlass (Q3827332) (Source)
Example 2	Schauspielhaus Zürich (Q40313234) → archives at (P485) → Zurich City Archives (Q27490306) / Qualifier: <type of artefact(s)> → archive (Q166118); programme (Q1508646); seasonal programme (Q51176294); photograph (Q125191); review (Q265158); periodical (Q1002697) (Source)
Example 3	Society for Domestic Swiss Theater Culture (Q112055057) → documentation files at (P10527) → Swiss Social Archives (Q2256734) / Qualifier: <type of artefact(s)> → annual report (Q699735) (Source)
Planned use	The property will be used in the context of the Wikiproject Performing Arts, for the creation of a "Worldcat" of the performing arts. In the longer run, it will be used for the description of a variety of heritage collections and archives.
Expected completeness	always incomplete (Q21873886)
Wikidata project	WikiProject Performing arts (Q59956276); WikiProject Archival Description (Q112120889)

Motivation

We are involved in a project to bring artifacts from memory institutions into Wikidata. We need more accurate properties to find the artifacts in our app using SPARQL. Wir sind an einem Projekt beteiligt, bei welchem Artefakte von Gedächtnisinstitutionen in Wikidata gebracht werden sollen. Dabei brauchen wir genauerer Properties um die Artefakte in unserer App mittels SPARQL zu finden. Chumklar (talk) 13:52, 14 May 2022 (UTC)

Very good Job @Chumklar Uthag1 (talk) 12:56, 23 May 2022 (UTC)

@Chumklar Thank you for your effort. This is what we need for our Project. SavinoL1 (talk) 12:59, 23 May 2022 (UTC)

@Beat EstermannThank you for your corrections. SavinoL1 (talk) 13:03, 24 May 2022 (UTC)

Discussion

• Beat Estermann
  Affom
  Vladimir Alexiev
  Birk Weiberg
  Smallison
  Daniel Mietchen
  Buccalon
  Jneubert
  Klaus Illmayer
  Katikei
  GiFontenelle
  Antoine2711
  Fjjulien
  Youyouca
  Vero Marino
  Celloheidi
  Beireke1
  Anju A Singh
  msoderi
  Simon Villeneuve
  VisbyStar
  Gregory Saumier-Finch
  Rhudson
  DrThneed
  Pakoire
  Gabriel De Santis-Caron
  Raffaela Siniscalchi
  Aishik Rehman
  YaniePorlier
  SAPA bdc
  Joalpe
  bridgetannmac
  Nehaoua dlh28
  LiseHatt
  Zblace
  Bianca de Waal
  MichifDorian
  
  Notified participants of WikiProject Performing arts. --Tinker Bell ★ ♥ 20:24, 23 May 2022 (UTC)
• Weadock313 (talk) 01:27, 20 April 2020 (UTC) 2le2im-bdc (talk) 19:36, 30 May 2018 (UTC) Beat Estermann (talk) 23:29, 1 June 2018 (UTC) Flor WMCH Gilliane Kern (talk) 05:47, 5 June 2018 (UTC) Mauricio V. Genta (talk) 23:42, 1 September 2018 (UTC) Laureano Macedo (talk) 09:49, 13 September 2018 (UTC) Daniel Mietchen VIGNERON Patafisik anarchivist KelliBee123 (talk) 16:29, 6 August 2019 (UTC) :kedouch Kedouch (talk) 11:43, 6 December 2023 (UTC) Anne Chardonnens (talk) Yooylee 30 (talk) 23:15, 11 August 2019 (UTC) Mlemusrojas (talk) 19:40, 19 February 2019 (UTC) erussey Kcohenp (talk) 16:28, 03 June 2019 (UTC) Mrtngrsbch Amandine (talk) 19:58, 12 August 2019 (UTC) RenéLC (talk) 11:17, 13 February 2020 (UTC) Sp!ros (talk) 09:00, 27 April 2020 (UTC) Ccooneycuny (talk) 16:49, 19 May 2020 (UTC) Librarian lena (talk) 19:57, 11 August 2020 (UTC) Valeriummaximum (talk) 16:42, 23 August 2020 (UTC) Jneubert (talk) 07:11, 24 September 2020 (UTC) MaryCDominique (talk) 10:06, 25 October 2020 (UTC) Epìdosis 17:16, 16 February 2021 (UTC) P feliciati (talk) 17:18, 16 February 2021 (UTC) JnyBn (talk) 07:27, 22 April 2021 (UTC) Hsarrazin (talk) 13:25, 1 July 2021 (UTC) Carlobia (talk) 15:27, 6 October 2021 (UTC) Heberlei (talk) 20:19, 29 July 2021 (UTC) KAMEDA, Akihiro (talk) 18:30, 18 September 2021 (UTC) Jonathan Groß (talk) 08:41, 1 November 2023 (UTC)
  Notified participants of WikiProject Archival Description.

•  Support This property will allow us to specify the contents of archival holdings, object collections or documentation files we refer to in Wikidata. --Beat Estermann (talk) 13:00, 24 May 2022 (UTC)
•  Support This would certainly allow more specific descriptions. Beireke1 (talk) 11:12, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
•  Support --Fjjulien (talk) 20:43, 23 June 2022 (UTC)
•  Comment It seems this property is intended specifically for archival items. However, with a label like this (type of artefact), it is likely that it will get used to describe archaeological artefacts by (less-experienced) editors who don't read descriptions of properties they're adding: Mask of Tuthankamon > type of artefact > mask. A label that more clearly describes what this property is about could help. Zoeperkoe (talk) 07:09, 15 August 2022 (UTC)

  If this is generally perceived as an issue, we could opt for the property label "type of artefact(s) in collection" instead. Beat Estermann (talk) 09:20, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

   Conditional support @Beat Estermann, Zoeperkoe: I, too, think the name should be reconsidered. My understanding (based on the examples given) is that this property is not intended to state anything about the target archive or collection as a whole (except that arguably a (potentially very small) fraction of it consists in the transferred materials in question). Therefore, label, description, and constraints should make it clear that this is a property to be used in qualifiers, not in statements themselves, as it needs as a reference an action or activity (that of archiving or collecting) implied by statements with properties such as documentation files at (P10527) and archives at (P485). Labels could be, for example:
  en: “type of artifacts being archived” or “… being collected” (grammatical continuous and progressive aspects (Q113627710) to discourage interpretation as a statal passive (Q55698475) that might mistakenly be applied to the collection rather than the activity of collecting, as “… artifacts archived” or “… artifacts in collection” might be liable to)
  de:

  „Art gesammelter Artefakte“ (Verlaufsformen wie „Art in Sammlung begriffener Artefakte“ denkbar, klängen aber evtl. zu umständlich)

  
  ―BlaueBlüte (talk) 02:46, 1 February 2023 (UTC)

• I agree this could be a confusing name. Also, would applies to part (P518) suffice here? BrokenSegue (talk) 04:50, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

  I don't think that would be in line with the current definition and general understanding of "applies to part". Beat Estermann (talk) 09:22, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

• Looks like a duplicate of instance of (P31)? Midleading (talk) 11:06, 15 November 2022 (UTC)
• I have the same question as Midleading. Is there a reason you couldn't say, for instance, that a given artifact is an "instance of" something? Harej (talk) 21:46, 1 July 2023 (UTC)
• @Chumklar, SavinoL1, Beat Estermann, Tinker Bell, Beireke1, Fjjulien: @Zoeperkoe, BlaueBlüte, BrokenSegue, Midleading, Harej:  Done as type of document(s) held (P11868). AdamSeattle (talk) 18:19, 2 July 2023 (UTC)