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European especialy nobility of the Holy Roman Reign edit

Latest comment: 1 year ago9 comments3 people in discussion
Melderick (talk) 21:33, 16 July 2021 (UTC) Jheald (talk) 15:29, 19 July 2021 (UTC) PKM (talk) 20:40, 19 July 2021 (UTC) pmt Pmt (talk) 13:47, 20 July 2021 (UTC) Hannes 24 (talk) 17:07, 8 February 2023 (UTC)Reply

  Notified participants of WikiProject Medieval Nobility Hi, I´m working since over 10 years in German wiki, mostly about nobility, noble people etc. In commons and wikidata I started cathegories of noble families (and there coats of arms). Yesterday I found the WikiProject Medieval Nobility and looked at the Wikidata:WikiProject Medieval Nobility/Properties. I missed Adelsprädikat (Q355505)/ nobiliary particle, which is imho very important for European nobility/nobility of the Holy Roman Empire. The English/British and most of the Eastern European nobility (e.g. Polish) have a different system (of name, titles and heredity).

Imho we need in the properties in identity Adelsprädikat/„nobiliary particl“. Which relation stand for „member of a noble family“/Angehöriger des Adelsgeschlechtes. There are a view of special relations „matrilineality“/Matrilinearität (Q1136773)/weibliche Linie that would be nice to have, but about that later ;-) Hannes 24 (talk) 17:26, 8 February 2023 (UTC)Reply

Hi @Hannes_24: and welcome ! I will try to answer but feel free to give a few examples if you think of cases that could not work that way.

For the nobiliary particle, I would say it should be added to the Family Name item. Example: de Tilly (Q105348466) which seems to use infix (P7377) property.

To link a person to its noble family, we use family (P53) property.

Not sure what you mean with matrilineality. Melderick (talk) 20:18, 8 February 2023 (UTC)Reply
In German / Austrian / HRR nobility the name has two parts: the family name and the Adelsprädikat/ nobiliary particle = name of the castle. (or later fantasy-names) e.g. "Geyer von Edelbach" and "Geyer von Geyersegg" and so on. The family was named Geyer (today written Geier = vulture) and the seat (castle) was Edelbach (only a small village) or Geyersegg (a castle). The Habsburg emperor created later (in 16/17 century) fantasy-names. e.g. „Binder von Degenschild“ (Degenschild = sword shield; Degenschild symbolizes the reason because Binder was nobilized = he was a soldier).
The normal form is "NAME von Castle" but there are also different forms "NAME zu Castle", "NAME von und zu Castle", "NAME in country" (Wilhelm in Bayern). Look at this side Liste dt Adelsgeschlechter - A with courios names as: Aus dem Winkel or Am Ende (= at the end). The thing is complicated esp. when families are allowed to change there names: The „Ritz“ where converted jews from Italy (Rici, Ricci), written in German Ritz and had a seat at the castle „Schloss Sprinzenstein“. A part of the family named therefore „Ritz von Sprinzenstein“ and later short „Sprinzenstein“ (which sounds more noble than Ritz ;-).
in old German families there are combined names (for parts of the family): see Hohenlohe (engl. wiki) in German we write Hohenlohe-Neuenstein, Hohenlohe-Langenburg and „Hohenlohe-Waldenburg-Schillingsfürst“ (for small german territories that where Fürsten/Prince in the German HRR). It´s complicated. loool
about „matrilineality“: if a woman was the last member of a family and married a male (noble) man, the family was continued in „matrilineality“, often the name got two parts (first the mans, than the womens-name). An Exception: the last Habsburg emperior was Maria Theresia, she married Franz Stephan of Lothringen, normally it would be Lothringen-Habsburg but because of the more importance it´s Habsburg-Lothringen. --Hannes 24 (talk) 09:32, 9 February 2023 (UTC)Reply
Hi @Hannes 24, Sorry I took so long to answer.
So let's take Christoph Ehrenreich Geyer von Edelbach (Q15794332) as an example. I would set :
- Christoph Ehrenreich Geyer von Edelbach (Q15794332) family name (P734) <new Q:Geyer von Edelbach>
- Christoph Ehrenreich Geyer von Edelbach (Q15794332) family (P53) Geyer von Edelbach (Q15812207)
- <new Q:Geyer von Edelbach> instance of (P31) family name (Q101352)
- <new Q:Geyer von Edelbach> has part(s) (P527) <new Q:Geyer> (family name item)
- <new Q:Geyer von Edelbach> has part(s) (P527) von (Q300942)
- <new Q:Geyer von Edelbach> has part(s) (P527) <existing Q:Edelbach>
- <new Q:Geyer> instance of (P31) family name (Q101352)
- Geyer von Edelbach (Q15812207) part of (P361) <new Q:Geyer> (noble family item)
- <new Q:Geyer> instance of (P31) noble family (Q13417114)

In the case of the Habsburg-Lothringen, I think we should have :
- House of Habsburg-Lorraine (Q645719) has part(s) (P527) House of Lorraine (Q2638011)
- House of Habsburg-Lorraine (Q645719) has part(s) (P527) House of Habsburg (Q65968), maybe with qualifier object has role (P3831) maternal family (Q113687360)

What do you think ? Melderick (talk) 23:54, 15 February 2023 (UTC)Reply
imho do we need a new property „second part of name“ (as a neutral name for things like nobiliary particle). The nobiliary particle was in the beginning a castle or village, but later in case of nobilitation fantasy names where given (esp. in Austria). Often the SAME family changed there nobiliary particle when
  • the seat changes
  • the splitted in different branches
Often the family lost there ancestry seat but kept the nobiliary particle. In the english nobility-system the title (earl of xyz) belongs to ONE person (and his brothers have no title). In HRR and Europe titular title all family member have a title (but only one owns the property/manors). --Hannes 24 (talk) 08:03, 16 February 2023 (UTC)Reply
I don't think we need „second part of name“ as this second part doesn't seem to be independant from the name of the whole family.
What we call a family name would include what you call family name + nobiliary particle.
If the latter changes, then we just create a different item.
  Notified participants of WikiProject Names, We would gladly have your opinion on this subject. Melderick (talk) 20:27, 16 February 2023 (UTC)Reply
hello, is there a native German speaking person in that group? (i didn´t found one, but maybe im wrong?) --Hannes 24 (talk) 07:43, 17 February 2023 (UTC)Reply
On Looniverse's and Da Dapper Don's UserPages are written that German is their mother tongue. Klaas `Z4␟` V:  17:43, 20 February 2023 (UTC)Reply

Häufig gestellte Fragen edit

Latest comment: 1 year ago1 comment1 person in discussion

Hallo, häufig gestellte Fragen sind unter

zusammengefasst, unter anderem

 
Zahl der täglich neu eingestellten Artikel

Für jeden einzelnen Autor bzw. jede einzelne Autorin wären Dinge wie

nur ein verhältnismäßig geringer Zusatzaufwand pro neuem Artikel, bei mehreren hunderten neuen Artikeln täglich ist das aber leider entsprechend aufwendig.

. --M2k~dewiki (talk) 18:31, 13 March 2023 (UTC)Reply

Klammerzusatz in Bezeichnungen edit

Latest comment: 1 year ago2 comments2 people in discussion

Hallo Hannes 24, zu Änderungen wie beispielsweise

Der Klammerzusatz ist in der Regel kein Teil der Bezeichnung, die Eindeutigkeit ergibt sich aus der Kombination Bezeichnung (ohne Klammerzusatz) + Beschreibung (kann Teile des Klammerzusatzes beinhalten, aber ohne Klammern), also nicht "Max Mustermann (Chemiker)", sondern "Max Mustermann" + "deutscher Chemiker".

Beispiel:

M2k~dewiki (talk) 21:12, 14 March 2023 (UTC)Reply

jawooolll, hier bin ich Neuling ;-) --Hannes 24 (talk) 08:13, 15 March 2023 (UTC)Reply

Call for participation in a task-based online experiment edit

Latest comment: 6 months ago2 comments2 people in discussion

Dear Hanner_24,

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Regards Kholoudsaa (talk) 12:17, 6 October 2023 (UTC)Reply

Hallo Kholoudsaa, i am allmost out of this „nice“ voluntarily project, because it sucks ;-) Much work to do, but not really good structures in the organisation behind. The main problem is the work with Freiwillige / voluntairs. The are sometimes not good enough for the (sometimes) difficult work (in detail). Also the „liquid structucre“ sucks, everything CAN be changed by everyone (even when they are no experts in this field). Therefore I ended my Mitarbeit / work here de facto. The main reason, why I left, are the rude manours between the people here. Some are just idiots without decency, and show no respect for other people/opinions. My English is not good enough, to write all details about conflicts in the background of this nice voluntary project. Now I spend my time with other things like watching birds or searching for my ancesters ;-) And it´s going much better (without wiki), thats the bitter truth. Sorry for some bad written words. What is to do in this 15 minutes? --Hannes 24 (talk) 08:31, 13 October 2023 (UTC)Reply
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