Wikidata

Wikidata:Requests for checkuser/Case/MrProperLawAndOrder

< Wikidata:Requests for checkuser‎ | Case

MrProperLawAndOrder edit

Rationale, discussion and results edit

Reason: The user frequently cites EnWiki policy but doesn't have an account on EnWiki. In addition Edoderoo voiced additional suspicion at https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Administrators%27_noticeboard#User:MrProperLawAndOrder ChristianKl ❪✉❫ 21:54, 17 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Results: @Edoderoo: Which "5-letter-long user" do you refer to here? Other CheckUser's (@Sotiale, BRPever, علاء:) are free to disagree, but I'm not fully comfortable running a check with only the evidence that they cite enwiki policy without having edited there.--Jasper Deng (talk) 01:23, 19 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

That other user is Jura1, a user on Telegram asked me for this as he/she had the feeling they were the same user. I learned that they took part in the same discussion(s), which made it borderline abusive as I as told. That is all I know so far. Edoderoo (talk) 04:32, 19 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Edederoo: What evidence is there? I don't think it's characteristic of Jura to cite external policies.--Jasper Deng (talk) 08:00, 19 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Agree, I cannot see how MrProperLawAndOrder and Jura1 should be identical. However, User:Jura1 made two related comments on WD:AN in May regarding User:MrProperLawAndOrder (new account from early April), but without mentioning their user name:
In other words, the assumption is that User:MrProperLawAndOrder is an account operated by the person who received a global community ban at meta:Requests for comment/Global ban for Tobias Conradi in 2015, and who is assumed to have returned with lots IP activity and potentially some undeclared accounts since then. I think that quite some users here would agree that this person has never really left Wikimedia projects after the global ban, as they have been around pretty much all the time. Their fields of work, editing patterns, technological skills, formatting quirks, inability to accept consensus against their own position, and tendency to drift into pretty aggressive, accusive conversation manners in conflicts are all remarkable. User:MrProperLawAndOrder looks in many regards meanwhile like a sock of said banned user.
If that assumption was correct, User:MrProperLawAndOrder would have been a rather promising attempt for a clean start, as there was in the beginning not much conflict, but a lot of rather productive work for which they earned some applause from other users. Meanwhile, however, there have been some discussions in June that do not look promising any longer, and are reminiscent of said banned user's behavior.
I am not sure whether I should be happy about this request in the way how it was made. It is also unclear to me whether checkuser can help here at all, as I do not expect them to operate other accounts in parallel for which checkuser data is still available. However, the IP ranges usually used by the user in question are well-known (Telefonica ranges geolocating in Berlin, and sometimes also Hamburg-based IPs of another provider). That said, I would not be surprised if User:MrProperLawAndOrder would be blocked indefinitely rather soon anyways for behavioral reasons.
Disclaimer: recently I had some contact with them as well on Property talk:P213 and the corresponding property. ---MisterSynergy (talk) 13:06, 19 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Jasper Deng, Sotiale: I suggest what Jura said in Wikidata:Administrators'_noticeboard/Archive/2020/04#Please_semi is about Tobias Conradi, and both the IP and MrProperLawAndOrder edited Property_talk:P7902. And there is almost certainly some information about this user in checkuserwiki.--GZWDer (talk) 13:34, 19 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • On the grounds provided by @MisterSynergy, GZWDer: (but emphatically not the original evidence, which would never have been sufficient to run a check), I declare them   Likely Tobias Conradi based on both technical evidence and the observed behavior. Therefore, their block is upgraded to indefinite as a sock.--Jasper Deng (talk) 19:35, 19 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Sotiale, BRPever, علاء: Please lock this account and block any relevant IP ranges.--GZWDer (talk) 00:34, 20 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, I will review it and handle it soon. --Sotiale (talk) 06:49, 20 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

27 June 2021 edit

Rationale, discussion and results edit

Reason: Global ban since 2015, creates socks or works as an IP with a similiar pattern: “in the beginning not much conflict, but a lot of rather productive work for which they earned some applause from other users [but then] some discussions […] that do not look promising any longer” (see above). The “not so promising phase“ has begun.

User:MisterSynergy has compiled a list of typical patterns (see above):

  1. Field of work: Interest in authority data (“Normdatentroll, SFZ-Troll, ISNI-Troll”, especially around GND ID (P227)-related properties such as Deutsche Biographie (GND) ID (P7902) (also the main field of activity in 2021)
  2. editing patterns: masses of edits in said field, mostly well-intentioned and productive but as the user has little to no ability to listen and discuss productively, not-so-great edits aren’t removed.
  3. technological skills as demonstrated in his work on Property talk:P7902
  4. formatting quirks such as
    • raw data mingled with complaints about data quality: compare 2020 vs 2021
    • endless lists with varying degrees of usefulness: 2019 vs 2021
  5. inability to accept consensus against their own position
  6. tendency to drift into pretty aggressive, accusive conversation manners in conflicts are all remarkable

For further reading on IP ranges and the questionable usefulness of CU and other actions see above.

Just for reference, the following recurring elements of the user’s behavior might lie in the future:

--Emu (talk) 15:06, 27 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

+1. Same user as 77.183.151.129 and User:Michael Montag. --Kolja21 (talk) 17:10, 28 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Based on username and field of work, User:Matthias_Mittwoch is another one to look at. —MisterSynergy (talk) 11:54, 30 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Results: We have Michael Montag and HumanAFuser   Confirmed to be the same. I would say (with the behavioral evidence) that it is   Likely that they are Tobias Conradi.--Jasper Deng (talk) 07:13, 30 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Jasper Deng: Items created through https://quickstatements.toolforge.org/#/batch/57984 and https://quickstatements.toolforge.org/#/batch/57971 have very near resemblances with item created through https://quickstatements.toolforge.org/#/batch/35535 b MrProperLawAndOrder. Given the evidence, I think to have to proceed as in 2020. --Epìdosis 08:08, 30 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Epìdosis: Wikidata have no policy to delete pages merely because of they are created by blocked users, not is it a established practice.--GZWDer (talk) 09:13, 30 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@GZWDer, Jasper Deng: I perfectly agree, of course! With "I think to have to proceed as in 2020" in fact I meant the necessity of blocking the accounts as socks, not of deleting the items they created; in fact, as in 2020, I am against their deletion (and they weren't deleted in 2020) and I support their enrichment instead. --Epìdosis 11:12, 30 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Epìdosis: These two accounts are now locked.--GZWDer (talk) 14:37, 30 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

24 February 2023 edit

Rationale, discussion and results edit

  1. Field of work: check, GND and similar authority data
  2. editing patterns: should be obvious from Special:Contributions/Humanisator
  3. technological skills: as always, Tobias shows quite some talent in his endeavours
  4. formatting quirks, inability to accept consensus against their own position and tendency to drift into pretty aggressive manners: see this textbook case including this: “It seems as if the goal of Kolja21 posting here is not to improve items about entities of type human that have or may have a P227 claim in the Wikimedia project named "Wikidata", but to create drama to intimidate a contributor and maybe get him kicked-out”

To be honest, I’m not even sure that we need a RfC per w:en:WP:RBI and w:en:WP:DUCK, but Epìdosis suggested one @Kolja21, Epìdosis, MisterSynergy: --Emu (talk) 12:30, 24 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Seems pretty   Confirmed to me.--Jasper Deng (talk) 21:13, 28 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

26 February 2023 edit

Rationale, discussion and results edit

Likely successor accounts to Humanisator after their “semi-retirement” @Kolja21, Epìdosis, MisterSynergy, Emu: --Emu (talk) 10:58, 26 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

28 February 2023 edit

Rationale, discussion and results edit

Another likely successor account. @1997kB, BRPever, Jasper Deng, Sotiale, علاء: Could we have some indication whether you plan to follow up on this case? Or do you consider this to be outside of CU territory? I don’t want to be pushy but this is a user with a lot of potential to disrupt Wikidata. --Emu (talk) 15:57, 28 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Effectively these users starting immediately to write to other users asking for confirmations or edits regarding authority IDs are quite suspect (e.g. recently also Salatalık Kral (talk • contribs • logs)). --Epìdosis 17:29, 28 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
That account is   Confirmed to the above three accounts.--Jasper Deng (talk) 21:17, 28 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]


Comment edit

@Kolja21, Epìdosis, MisterSynergy, Emu:

Werte Wikidata-Normdatler,

ich bin ein ehemaliges Mitglied der Redaktion Chemie der Wikipedia. Derzeit habe ich einen kaputten Knöchel und mache deswegen kurzweilige Wikidata-Edits.

Auf meiner früheren Arbeitsstelle sollte ich arbeiten und nicht Wikidata bearbeiten. Daher gewöhnte ich mir damals an, jeweils 50 (max. 65) Edits mit einem Wegwerf-Account zu tätigen und danach wieder ein neues Konto anzulegen. Es soll daher kein Geheimnis sein, dass ich

angelegt habe. Alle Konten haben dasselbe Passwort, das ich meinetwegen einem von euch mitteilen könnte.

Aus der Mehrzahl der Konten könnte man mir wohl einen Strick drehen: Ich weise darauf hin, dass sie konsekutiv aufeinander folgen und es keine zeitlichen Überschneidungen gibt. Ich logge mich üblicherweise nie wieder in alte Konten ein.

Über die Relevanz von Dingen (notability) kann man immer streiten, ich würde aber für jeden inhaltlichen Edit meine Hand ins Feuer legen.

Ich stelle gerne meine Telekom-Telefonnummer auf pastebin, lasse mich anrufen und kann dann beliebige mich verifizierende Edits von jedem dieser Konten tätigen.

PS: Bitte werft mich nicht mit dem Normdatentrolltroll zusammen. Ich habe mit jedem Konto z.B. Duplikate nach Property talk:P214/Duplicates/humans zusammengelegt. Ich hoffe sehr, dass ich dabei keinen einzigen Fehler gemacht habe. Falls doch, bitte mitteilen.

Bei Muḥammad Sallām Madkūr habe ich aufgrund der schwachen Datenlage nicht einfach zusammengelegt, sondern Kolja21, den ich schon oft als kurzen Dienstweg zur DNB benutzt habe (er möge mir das verzeihen), gefragt.

Bei nach DNB-Daten erstellten Datenobjekten von Russen oder Arabern fehlt oft der Name im Alphabet des Herkunftlands. Das korrigiere ich gerne. Beim Thailändischen fehlt mir die Fähigkeit dazu, sodass ich bei Sō̜nphachan Thavīkham peinlicherweise Google Translate benutzt habe. Habe ich sonst noch weitere Sünden begangen? Keines meiner Konten hat irgenwelche Debatten geführt wie der obige Troll.

CU-Hinweis: Ich editiere stets von einem Telekom-Heimanschluss im PLZ-Gebiet 38 aus.

Viele Grüße,

--Grifters gotta grift (talk) 16:55, 1 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  Done blocked account for block evasion, implausible story --Emu (talk) 20:13, 1 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

15 March 2023 edit

Rationale, discussion and results edit

Reason: Aligned with the new tactic of creating items (people, papers, organizations) in a niche. Still with a fixation on certain users, see User_talk:Kolja21#Johannes_Günther. See also Wikidata:Administrators'_noticeboard#Do_we_need_RFCU_for_clear_cases_of_sockpuppetry_(Tamawashi_cases) Emu (talk) 11:53, 15 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  Comment Same behavoir by User:Ettiwdreg on German Wikipedia, see de:Benutzer Diskussion:Ettiwdreg#Altbekanntes Verhalten. --Kolja21 (talk) 22:03, 30 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
PS: He keeps deleting critical comments on his talk page. --Kolja21 (talk) 23:00, 30 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Results: Unfortunately they are   Stale. In the future, having more evidence and archiving this page will help.--Jasper Deng (talk) 09:53, 4 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

09 August 2023 edit

Rationale, discussion and results edit

Reason: Consistent with previous early editing choices: Interest in the Erik Amburger database ID (P6878), creation of (mostly unsourced) items about people from Prussia / Russia / Baltics. CC Kolja21. --Emu (talk) 13:28, 9 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Results: Very   Likely them and thus blocked accordingly. As they are evading a global ban they should also be referred to m:SRG for a global lock.--Jasper Deng (talk) 09:00, 10 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

19 November 2023 edit

Reason:

  1. Field of work: check, GND and similar authority data
  2. technological skills: as always, Tobias shows quite some talent in his endeavours
  3. formatting quirks, inability to accept consensus against their own position and tendency to drift into pretty aggressive manners: Communication was okay for some time but the final stage has begun, endless discussions about each and everything while performing high-volume batch operations.

--Emu (talk) 23:27, 19 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Yep, it's him (  Confirmed).--Jasper Deng (talk) 03:00, 14 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

2 December 2023 edit

Reason: Weird activity. Some activity in the Vodafone IP range (2A02:8108:50BF:C694:95E8:5F54:A208:E48D) is linked to this. Together with the rather high level of technical ingenuity, this leads to Tobias. CC Karl Oblique --Emu (talk) 20:32, 2 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

See also Wikidata:Requests for checkuser/Case/KunzLob954, sorry for duplicate. --Emu (talk) 20:34, 2 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
These three are   Confirmed to each other with no sleepers, but it's   Inconclusive as to whether they are related to Tobias. Considering the temporal proximity of a higher-confidence Tobias sock (Asterix2023, above), I'd say it's   Unlikely to be them.--Jasper Deng (talk) 03:07, 14 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

3 December 2023 edit

Reason: Another instance of weird discussion activity in connection with suspicious IP range. --Emu (talk) 22:11, 3 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  Inconclusive as to relations to Tobias, but I found them   Confirmed to Jayden Gottwald (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · case block · block log · CA · checkuser (log) · investigate).--Jasper Deng (talk) 03:08, 14 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Retrieved from "https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Wikidata:Requests_for_checkuser/Case/MrProperLawAndOrder&oldid=2029518263"