Wikidata:Requests for deletions/Archive/2020/01/21

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Wikimedia disambiguation page subclasses

I think this should be replaced with Wikimedia disambiguation page (Q4167410). Its presence just complicates checking for dab pages.

Notified participants of WikiProject Names --- Jura 12:53, 13 July 2019 (UTC)

On hold This item is linked from 10+ others. --DeltaBot (talk) 13:01, 13 July 2019 (UTC)

Delete I agree. --Mormegil (talk) 10:03, 20 September 2019 (UTC)

"merged" Regards, ZI Jony ^(Talk) 17:28, 5 December 2019 (UTC)

(restored this from the deletion archive)

The request was to delete it. Now someone de-merged it. --- Jura 00:15, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

Pinging Laddo who unmerged it. Personally, I agree with Jura and see little need for this, especially since what counts and doesn't count as a "human name" is up for interpretation and disambig pages don't necessarily contain only persons. --Kam Solusar (talk) 07:30, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for the ping, Kam Solusar. I could not find reference to this RFD after the deletion; I just added a link on the talk page of the target page.

Keep For the moment please, I will provide justifications shortly. Lαδδo chat ;) 11:27, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

I think it is worth having a more specific disambiguation type since the elements listed on "human name" disambiguation pages share a common property - being a person's name - that does not exist on more standard disambiguation pages. It justifies the simultaneous existence of two disambig items on some WP (Winfield Scott (Q11777004) and list of ships named Winfield Scott (Q8025017), Rose Marie / Rose-Marie (Q3442333) and Rose Marie (Q16882287), ~~Jack Frost (Q251245) and Jack Frost (comics) (Q16871119)~~...). Also, there are 28 sitelinks on Category:Human name disambiguation pages, reflecting WP interest in such categorization. I believe it is worth the extra work to scan subclasses of Wikimedia disambiguation page (Q4167410) when necessary. Lαδδo chat ;) 01:34, 12 December 2019 (UTC)

I can't see how this item can be useful. For example, Jack Frost (Q251245) is in Category:Human name disambiguation pages on enwiki, but movies with the same name are still described on the same page. Other languages not even have this category and they combine several concepts with the same name as usual. As long as not all linked pages are exclusively in Category:Human name disambiguation pages you can't know if it is a human name disambiguation page or are general disambiguation page. --Pasleim (talk) 06:36, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

Mmm OK Jack Frost (Q251245) was a bad example, obviously it does not qualify as a plain human name disambiguation item. Replaced it with Winfield Scott (Q11777004) in my comment above;

I'm not sure either how disambig subclasses can be useful, and I agree it sounds like a lot of maintenance. Why do so many WP make the effort of distinguishing such pages? Pinging some users that might have an opinion on the matter @Zolo, Moebeus: Lαδδo chat ;) 14:26, 14 December 2019 (UTC)

I kinda like the division, since I'm generally a fan of mirroring the Wikipedia classifications, but at the same time it's easy to see that this can be really confusing (disambiguation pages vs human name disambiguation pages vs surname disambiguation pages vs list of persons by surname, etc. etc.). And when a creative work is named after it's creator (self-titled), where do we link it? Long story short, I will go with whatever the majority decides on this one. Moebeus (talk) 14:40, 14 December 2019 (UTC)

General comment: I guess the essential difference between normal disambiguation pages and human name dab is the following:

Normal dab pages map between WPs that use the exact same spelling, such as, say, Fork (Q340624) ;
Human dab pages, in different WP, will list the same people, more of less, despite different labels : Q7415607 stands for en:Sancha of León, br:Sancha León, de:Sancha von León or es:Sancha de León ;
Lαδδo chat ;) 13:59, 15 December 2019 (UTC)

Co-nominations

For the same reason as discussed for Q22808320, I would like to co-nominate two other items with the same problem:

Whatever we do to Q22808320 should be done to those ones as well. There are no other subclasses of Wikimedia disambiguation page (Q4167410) with this problem. —MisterSynergy (talk) 12:35, 13 December 2019 (UTC)

Proposal

To resolve issues linked with disambiguation pages combining multiple subjects (such as human names, places, ships or film titles), I suggest to make use of property has part(s) of the class (P2670) on Wikimedia disambiguation page (Q4167410). For example:

This way it would be very easy to match multiple WP disambiguation categories with WD items, allowing more specific searches with little extra complexity. Lαδδo chat ;) 14:26, 14 December 2019 (UTC)

I am wondering what we gain from such claims. DAB items are here for exactly one reason: to provide interwikilinks. DAB pages exist on most projects, but the exact way how they are used differs from project to project. I find it difficult to map the content of particular DAB pages to Wikidata items, particularly if there are DAB pages linked from many projects with somewhat different approaches to use them.
However, this is not an objection against more claims on DAB items. If you want to do this, yeah go ahead and do it! But I really think that this is sort of the least of our problems right now. DAB items (and DAB pages in Wikipedias) are a place where a lot of overthinking it taking place, although I think that we really should keep it simple… —MisterSynergy (talk) 18:36, 14 December 2019 (UTC)

I prefer the has part(s) of the class (P2670) solution over creating subclasse of Wikimedia disambiguation page (Q4167410), but similar to MisterSynergy I doubt there is a benefit of doing it. --Pasleim (talk) 06:12, 7 January 2020 (UTC)

closure

I'd like to withdraw my nomination. --- Jura 09:34, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
- So, Not done, I suppose. If someone else finds this should be done after all they can renominate (and copy/paste, I'd think). - сyсn - (talk • contribs • logs) 14:18, 21 January 2020 (UTC)

Bulk deletion request: CSS

Q83165036 (delete | history | links | logs)
Q83243709 (delete | history | links | logs)
Q83276374 (delete | history | links | logs)
Q83248606 (delete | history | links | logs)
Q83015874 (delete | history | links | logs)
Q83248772 (delete | history | links | logs)
Q82310675 (delete | history | links | logs)
Q66361213 (delete | history | links | logs)
Q64800431 (delete | history | links | logs)
Q64798624 (delete | history | links | logs)
Q64800051 (delete | history | links | logs)
Q64224960 (delete | history | links | logs) (all on TAB)

CSS pages are not notable Pppery (talk) 03:09, 21 January 2020 (UTC)

Done --Sotiale (talk) 14:15, 21 January 2020 (UTC)

Q17990611

white sugar (Q17990611): type of refined sugar: (delete | history | links | entity usage | logs)

Duplicate of Q4409456; Deleted elsewhere --Mistakefinder (talk) 17:54, 21 January 2020 (UTC)

Done Redirect created by User:Quakewoody, you can do it yourself next time. --DeltaBot (talk) 18:27, 21 January 2020 (UTC)

Q82026707

Q82026707: no description: (delete | history | links | entity usage | logs)

Crosswiki abuser created, non notable, xwiki spam Camouflaged Mirage (talk) 18:33, 21 January 2020 (UTC)

Deleted by علاء (talk • contribs • logs) --DeltaBot (talk) 19:01, 21 January 2020 (UTC)