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Best regards! — PinkAmpers&(Je vous invite à me parler) 00:05, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

Hello, Kam Solusar! I am just letting you know that I have added the autopatroller flag to your account, as you are a trusted user on Wikidata. If you have any questions or concerns, please don't hesitate to contact me or leave a message at the project chat. Thanks, — PinkAmpers&(Je vous invite à me parler) 00:05, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for your welcome! :) --Kam Solusar (talk) 16:32, 8 April 2013 (UTC)


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GNIS ID (P590)Edit

The property GNIS ID (P590) that you supported is now available. --Tobias1984 (talk) 19:03, 2 June 2013 (UTC)

GNIS Antarctica ID (P804)Edit

The property you asked is now available. Just a note, maybe you should ask for becoming a Property creator, another usefull hands would be welcome. --Fralambert (talk)

Thanks! I'll start adding it to items in the next days. About the rights: I'll consider it, but at the moment I'm also already involved in several other projects, so I'm not sure I'd put those rights to much use. Regards, --Kam Solusar (talk) 00:13, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

Zeme (Q10549538)Edit

Hello, Kam Solusar. Why you created Zeme (Q10549538) and moved Wikipedia links to this item from Q2307436? --Allardais (talk) 15:34, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

manga vs animeEdit

You need to explain something to me...

So, what's the point of a seperated entries if its Q-- entry is unused? Do you expect contributors in 15+ languages to split them up? I'm trying to understand your strategy here... InMontreal (talk) 01:27, 23 March 2018 (UTC)

Hi InMontreal. Wikidata's goals are different from Wikipedia's and its scope goes beyond simply hosting data for already existing Wikipedia articles. In Wikipedia, articles occasionally cover more than one dinstinct topic (usually when they're closely related and don't warrant separate articles). But on Wikidata, every distinct topic/entity gets its own item. Items don't need to have pages on Wikimedia projects attached to them, as long as there are external sources and identifiers for this specific entity, see Wikidata:Notability. So when a movie/series/book/game, the director, screenwriter, production company or anything else has entries in various external databases or services (IMDb, TMDb, EIDR, VIAF or many others), it's OK to create an item, even if Wikipedia doesn't yet have an article on that topic. So when items mix various topics (like in case of these manga/anime/light novel franchises), the usual way to handle it, is to split them into separate items.
In case of these anime series, I just came across them when I tried to add their Netflix IDs and saw that they didn't have their own items yet, so I created them. And since those external IDs only refer to the anime, not the other works, they go on the anime item. Wikipedia articles don't have to change or split, of course. Though, I have to say, now I'm a bit curious why only these Japanese manga/anime/OVA/light novel franchises always have a single article on pretty much all Wikipedias, while non-Japanese franchises are usually split into separate articles as soon as there's enough content. But if you need a second opinion, you could ask over at Wikidata talk:WikiProject Movies or Wikidata:Project chat. Regards, --Kam Solusar (talk) 02:16, 23 March 2018 (UTC)
Thanks for your reply. I contribute mostly on the french wikipedia, and noticed some templates are modified to be wikidata-compatible. For example, in the external links section, simply entering the Template "(Imdb titre)" without the "id=" parameter will automatically grab the Pxx wikidata property. As you can guess by now, if you create a new Q-entry on wikidata for the anime then delete the Imdb, ANN anime and other anime-related entries from the existing Qxx where everything is linked, the Imdb, Ann anime and anime-related external links just won't display anymore on the wikipedia page, without warning, but the manga-related external links will remain. So, what's the solution here ? InMontreal (talk) 02:41, 23 March 2018 (UTC)
InMontreal: I see. That's indeed quite a problem if templates/infoboxes stop working due to this. I'm going to post over on the project chat to see what the best way of action would be in such cases.
Though after I had some time to think about this, I think having just one item for all the works described in such articles might not always work all that well anyway. Imagine if an article doesn't just include information about an anime series, but also short films, OVAs or a second anime adaptation. When someone adds a second IMDb template/ID for example (maybe on another language version of the article) and the ID gets moved to Wikidata, the link templates also wouldn't really work correctly anymore, since there's no way for the templates to know which IMDb number in the item belongs to which work. And you probably already get similar problems with other statements in infoboxes like author, publication date, etc since those aren't specific to just one type of work. With Shinmai Maō no Testament (Q15912080) for example, there also seem to exist several OVA episodes and the second season of the anime has another name (which could mean that some external databases give it a separate ID). Maybe in some cases where there's no clear relation between the article and a specific work, the IDs have to remain in the templates. Hopefully someone more knowledgeable has an answer on the project chat. Regards, --Kam Solusar (talk) 02:02, 24 March 2018 (UTC)
Concerning the splitting of manga and anime, I believe there's a missing "link" between them in order to guide the contributors. Not sure which is which, but I'm thinking has part (P527), maybe ? I haven't read the instruction manual yet. Anyways, on the french wikipedia last weekend, I modified the "ANN manga" template to be wikidata compatible, which led to hidden categories pointing out the errors. While attempting to add the missing entries or fix them, the only way I could figure out if there's a seperate Qxx on wikidata for the anime or the manga is to click on "View History" and look for deleted entries. Not practical. For a typical 1 manga + 1 anime wikipedia page, in theory, most of their identifiers can coexist in the same Qxx, but when adding start/end dates statements, well, enter the confusion zone... I told the manga café project to keep adding the "id=" value to the Ann manga/anime template like normal, hopefully some programmer (which I'm not) will figure out the "|wikidata=Qxx" addon extention to these and the infoboxes. InMontreal (talk) 19:01, 26 March 2018 (UTC)
InMontreal, thanks for your effort. The missing link from the main item to the anime items is something that I was also worried about, because it makes it difficult to see that a separate item was created. has part (P527) would probably work better if the main item was about the media franchise (media franchise (Q196600)). But the articles' main topic (going by the first sentence of typical manga articles) seems to usally be the manga/light novel series, so the anime probably wouldn't count as a part of that (in the way that the property was intended).
I just discovered that derivative work (P4969) now exists as the reverse of based on (P144), which seems to be a good fit for this situation. There's a deletion request warning on its talk page, but there seems to be no actual discussion yet. --Kam Solusar (talk) 00:20, 29 March 2018 (UTC)

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Updates to Q1093431Edit

I was looking over the rejected edits to Q1093431 and these don't seem to be repurposing. Can you please explain your reasoning behind this decision?  – The preceding unsigned comment was added by Seogeek45 (talk • contribs) at 19:43, 19 June 2018‎ (UTC).

Hi Seogeek45. Citizens Bank (Q1093431) is an item for Wikimedia disambiguation pages named "Citizens Bank", like en:Citizens Bank on the English Wikipedia for example. It is not an item for one specific bank. The edits by User:Rotapeter seem to concern a specific bank and were therefore in the wrong place. Maybe Citizens Financial Group (Q5122694) is the one you're searching for? Regards, --Kam Solusar (talk) 22:12, 19 June 2018 (UTC)

Thank you for your reply. So would you recommend creating a new item entirely for Citizens Bank? Since, i want a page for the company in this case not a branch. Something similar to what bank of america did here: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q487907  – The preceding unsigned comment was added by Seogeek45 (talk • contribs) at 13:36, 21 June 2018‎ (UTC).

Seogeek45: you could create a new item, if the bank in question meets Wikidata's notability criteria. But I'm not too familiar with the topic, so maybe editors over at Wikidata talk:WikiProject Companies are more qualified to answer questions in that regard. --Kam Solusar (talk) 09:41, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

DirectorsEdit

Sorry about those, Kam. Thanks for spotting them. How I did that batch is a long story; I hope not too many were wrong :( --Tagishsimon (talk) 15:53, 18 August 2018 (UTC)

Tagishsimon: No problem. I'm just looking at those on my watchlist and there seem to be indeed a couple of wrong ones. It's unfortunately a general problem on film items, in my experience. I've stumbled upon quite a few of them where directors, cast members, etc. were added just by looking at the name (or aliases) of the persons' items, which can lead to further problems when labels of those items change later and are then used by other users to create descriptions for the film items. --Kam Solusar (talk) 16:03, 18 August 2018 (UTC)
Yup. Cough. That's about what happened here. I'll take a look through my batch later and see if I can spot any more. I'm far too shame-faced to explain anymore right now ;) --Tagishsimon (talk) 16:09, 18 August 2018 (UTC)

P2631 formatter URLEdit

The old URL works for me, so I assumed that changing from tcm.com to tcm.turner.com was unnecessary complication. I've undone my edit. Trivialist (talk) 16:07, 16 September 2018 (UTC)

Trivialist: Interesting. I first thought it was just my browser (a cookie problem or something like that), but others have the same problem. It simply redirects to http://www.tcm.com/unavailable and then goes into an endless redirect cyclce, which causes the browser to throw an error message. I wonder why that happens only to some people. Maybe language or location based. --Kam Solusar (talk) 05:30, 17 September 2018 (UTC)

Flags of GermanyEdit

[1]: Maybe I don't understand well your argument. The government and the Federal Constitutional Court of the Federal Republic of Germany consider it a legal continuation of the German Reich (as created in 1871). As could be seen at multiple country items a change of regime or constitution is not a reason to remove historical flags. --Nk (talk) 17:36, 28 September 2018 (UTC)

Nk: The Federal Republic of Germany is indeed seen as the legal successor of the Third Reich/German Empire and in some specific areas its continuation, but it's not the same country. It wasn't just a regime change or a change of the constituion. The Third Reich was, for all intents and purposes, dissolved and ceased to exist. Then a few years later (after occupation by the allied forces) the FRG was founded as a new country, replacing the zones occupied by the allied forces. The item in question, Germany (Q183), covers only this specific coountry that was founded in 1949 and has never used these flags of its predecessors. The flags belong on the respective items of those historic states that used them. --Kam Solusar (talk) 22:42, 28 September 2018 (UTC)
The country named Germany continued to exist in 1945-49 both in the legal world (with its own legal system, citizenship, etc.) and as an entity of international relations. The definition of 'country' doesn't require sovereignity so the occupation doesn't change much, it's just a special form of government. --Nk (talk) 09:31, 29 September 2018 (UTC)
Nk: Well, the situation between 1945 and the foundation of the FRG is certainly somewhat complicated from a legal perspective (both in national and internnational law). But that doesn't really change much of the fact that the FRG founded in 1949 is a separate country and not just the German Empire under a different name. As a successor state it inherited a lot of things, from memberships,treaties, embassies and more, but those flags were never official flags of the Federal Republic. But maybe this is a discussion that would be better suited for Talk:Q183 or the German project chat (since that's where users most familiar with the intricacies of this case can be found]]). --Kam Solusar (talk) 13:57, 30 September 2018 (UTC)
The situation is such that for the elements of many persons of the 19th century and earlier Germany (Q183) is specified as country of citizenship (P27). Often it moved from the DNB, where there are no separate notations for the Weimar Republic or the Third Reich([2], [3]). Moreover, for athletes pre-WWII Olympics or FIFA World Cups we specify Germany (Q183) as a country for sport (P1532) too (Ernst Wilimowski (Q559779), Adolf Urban (Q364411)). In favor of this is also evidenced by united articles like Germany at the Olympics (Q1576072), Germany national football team (Q43310) or flag of Germany (Q48160). It is significant that in the Germany (Q183) article in any section of Wikipedia the history is given, beginning with the Middle Ages. The same with any other countries such as Hungary (Q28) or France (Q142). In some language sections of Wikipedia citizenship with the relevant historical period flag in the infoboxes is loaded from the Wikis, and in this case these flags are useful. Сидик из ПТУ (talk) 10:57, 1 October 2018 (UTC)
It may be more appropriate to create a separate item for the Federal Republic of Germany (1949-) as it is done for the Czech and Slovak Federal Republic (Q1998866) or People's Republic of Bulgaria (Q121932).Сидик из ПТУ (talk) 11:01, 1 October 2018 (UTC)
Сидик из ПТУ: sorry, took me a while to reply due to stuff in real-life. I think it's not an uncommon opinion that many of our country items as well as many statements referring to them are quite a mess. And sooner or later, Wikidata will have to clean up this whole topic area (which will most likely mean that infoboxes on Wikipedia will also need some fixes to deal with the changes). With persons and country of citizenship (P27) statements, it's especially bad, since many people seem to use it more as a nationality statement rather than referring to the specific state the persons were actually citizens of. Many historical "German" persons have that statement even though they lived before there even was a unified German country - simply because they are considered German. Fixing all those country of citizenship (P27) statements will be quite the task in the future, since it's not always easy to figure out, which kingdoms/duchies/electorates/etc. they were citizens of.
And like you said, the Wikipedia articles mostly describe both the current countries as well as everything that existed there since the dawn of time. Which unfortunately lead to our items also often mixing the current state as well as all predecessors. With Germany, I'd argue that the current item already describes the Federal Republic and we'd maybe need a new item for either the concept of "a unified German country, called Germany" (so everything after 1871, I guess) or "everything that has ever existed in the borders of today's Germany that could be called German". Which unfortunately isn't easy to define. --Kam Solusar (talk)
In any case, significant changes must first receive an appropriate discussion. FIFA and the IOC do not know the Third Reich and the Weimar Republic, in this topics there is only a term 'Germany' (and 'West Germany' too). Сидик из ПТУ (talk) 06:37, 6 October 2018 (UTC)
I agree. This is a topic that definitely needs a bigger audience to discuss since it concerns our general approach to modelling country items and not just one country. Maybe on the project chat?
With national sports teams, I vaguely remember from some discussion on Wikipedia that this might potentially be a bit more complicated since the teams don't play for the countries directly, but rather for their respective national associations. So in case of Germany, the national football team played for the German Football Association (Q154191) which was founded in 1900. But that's something for the sports people to figure out. --Kam Solusar (talk) 14:50, 8 October 2018 (UTC)
On which project? I have not yet figured out where this is the place for community discussions and polls. If we talk about country for sport (P1532), then, I think, for a long time there will not be items for different national federations of table tennis or archery. Specifying them instead of Germany (Q183) or Bulgaria (Q219) will be a significant obstacle for many users. Сидик из ПТУ (talk) 16:27, 9 October 2018 (UTC)
I'm not sure if there's a Wikiproject for this, Wikidata:Wikidata:WikiProject Countries seems inactive/finished. Maybe Wikidata:Project chat to see if there are people willing to work on this? I don't think this can be done without a generral consensus first. --Kam Solusar (talk) 20:53, 10 October 2018 (UTC)

WD:RFP/AEdit

Hey Kam Solusar, did you ever consider to add a request at WD:RFP/A? I think you would have good chances to get promoted to sysop status in Wikidata, and there is no doubt that you have continuous need for the tools during your valuable countervandalism activity. Just as in Wikipedia, Wikidata’s admin corps is clearly unterstaffed as well… Viele Grüße! —MisterSynergy (talk) 13:44, 29 November 2018 (UTC)

MisterSynergy: Never gave it much thought. I haven't done all that much with my admin rights over at Wikipedia since I started working more on Wikidata. But yeah, I would be pretty handy, there's quite a lot of vandalism over here.
Though it'll probably have to wait a couple of weeks until I find out how much free time I'm actually going to have next year to work on Wikidata and other projects. If that works out, sure why not. Schöne Grüße zurück! --Kam Solusar (talk) 15:08, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
Thanks, no hurries with it. Schönes Wochenende! —MisterSynergy (talk) 15:49, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
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