User talk:Denny/Archive 1

Latest comment: 8 years ago by Denny in topic Indenting

Welcome to Wikidata, Denny!

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Regards, --Jitrixis (talk | support my candidacy) 13:21, 1 November 2012 (UTC)Reply
Thank you! I hope I'll find my way around ;) --Denny (talk) 11:51, 2 November 2012 (UTC)Reply
Dear Denny, if you have questions about WikiData, you can always turn to me. :-) Ziko (talk) 16:33, 2 November 2012 (UTC)Reply

Diff edit

Ahem... Perhaps the previous version was a more neutral description, hm? --Yair rand (talk) 21:31, 4 November 2012 (UTC)Reply

I still stand to my description, but I won't change it back. On rethinking it it might indeed be slightly more neutral. Janjko changed it back. --Denny (talk) 11:12, 5 November 2012 (UTC)Reply

Autopatroller edit

Hello, Denny! I am just letting you know that I have added the autopatroller flag to your account, as you are a trusted user on Wikidata. If you have any questions or concerns, please don't hesitate to contact me or leave a message at the Project chat. Thanks, -- Cheers, Riley Huntley 15:20, 27 November 2012 (UTC)Reply

Thanks! --Denny (talk) 15:38, 27 November 2012 (UTC)Reply

articlePreview edit

Hi Denny! Your script User:Denny/articlePreview.js is very usefull! But I think there is a problem if there's a space in the title of the page. For example Q323187 in "Article preview" show "Above may refer..." and not "Above & Beyond is an English trance music group...". --Beta16 (talk) 15:55, 3 December 2012 (UTC)Reply

preceded by edit

Hi, I saw that you were adding "preceded by" statements to some popes. Given that the itemized guy had a life before he was a pope, wouldn't it be more consistent to make that a qualifier of the "occupation: pope" statement ? --Zolo (talk) 08:27, 14 March 2013 (UTC)Reply

Interesting, and absolutely possible. I would have made it the other way around -- i.e. "preceded" by with a qualifier "office->Pope", as this is pretty much what you would be looking for, I'd guess (also look at the infobox in the Wikipedia article, which has this information). But I will stop for now until there is agreement or enough time has passed and no one is discussing it :) --Denny (talk) 08:31, 14 March 2013 (UTC)Reply
That may make sense for popes, but that would start to be more awkward for, say, politicians, who do not have such a clear cursus honorum. Take Sigmar Gabriel, should we use the property for preceded by as chairman of the SPD", as German Environment Minister or as Prime Minister of Saxony ? We could use different solutions depending on each situation, but I am nost sure that would be very clear. ---Zolo (talk) 09:16, 14 March 2013 (UTC)Reply
I have the feeling we should be discussing this here, but I stay with you here for now. For Sigmar Gabriel, we would have several "preceded by" statements, for each of the different offices. So there would be a "preceded by" statement with the qualifier "office" where the qualifier has the value "Prime Minister of Saxony", and a "preceded by" statement with the qualifier "office" where the qualifier has the value "German Environment Minister" etc. As said, the other one would work as well, but most occupation do not have a predecessor and successor (it is really only a small set of such occupations), and thus it feels a bit awkward there as a qualifier, whereas a "preceded by" / "succeeded by" would always state what the actual order is. Again, that's the same reasoning that is used in the infoboxes and navboxes on the Wikipedias. --Denny (talk) 10:45, 14 March 2013 (UTC)Reply
Yes, I though I would move the discussion if it was going to last :) I just find that it looks strange to have a list of three occupation at one place, and a a list of three preceded by in this occupation at some other. But in the end, that may not matter much. --Zolo (talk) 11:24, 14 March 2013 (UTC)Reply
That's actually a good point - especially since statements cannot be ordered yet. I guess, for now we will simply wait for the qualifiers to find their way to the site, and then we can discuss and decide for real. Thank you, enjoyed it so far. --Denny (talk) 12:37, 14 March 2013 (UTC)Reply
For your information, those properties are currently discussed at WD:PC#Properties preceded by and followed by. --Zolo (talk) 15:27, 6 April 2013 (UTC)Reply
I have changed it for pope Francis, per Wikidata:Property proposal/Generic#In list/Im List/En liste/в списке --Zolo (talk) 20:40, 1 May 2013 (UTC)Reply

Property:P424 edit

Hi,

The above property is now available and can be used on items. I noticed first proposed its creation. --  Docu  at 15:17, 14 April 2013 (UTC)Reply

Thank you! --Denny (talk) 18:17, 14 April 2013 (UTC)Reply

Source (again) edit

I just want to have the opinion of the development team about the creation of a new domain for source beside the Q domain for item and P domain for property. This solution can solve the problem of the sources and be already the first step for an integration of the Wikisource project. If you can just list the technical problems this can help to take the final decision. Tha advantage of a new domain is the separation between the item representing the work from the items representing its manifestations and the possibility for lua programmers to detect what kind of source they have and how they can extract the information (from the statement source or from the item defined in the source section). Thanks Snipre (talk) 14:43, 29 April 2013 (UTC)Reply

Adding up to what Snipre said, if the preferred option is to have all information in one item, then I think Property:P393 could be used as item sub-identifier if we had a datatype String-ID (same as string, but one string can only be used once in the same item). There would a couple of large items that could be split, but in general all the information regarding an edition could be grouped under that sub-id and remain accessible.--Micru (talk) 17:11, 29 April 2013 (UTC)Reply
Hi. This was discussed in the IRC chat on sources last week. In short, no, we do not plan to add an extra space for sources, and so far we have not been convinced for the need for that. It seems to be easier to have them all in one big space. --Denny (talk) 17:51, 30 April 2013 (UTC)Reply

Possible solution for edition data edit

Hi Denny, another option to enter edition data could be using qualifiers (see example). The only doubt I have is, could each field of the qualifier data be accessed individually? --Micru (talk) 14:52, 5 May 2013 (UTC)Reply

I have expanded the RFC about references/sources to decide how to store edition data.--Micru (talk) 13:26, 16 May 2013 (UTC)Reply

articlePreview edit

Hallo Denny, ich fand dein articlePreview-Script sehr hilfreich, allerdings funktioniert es nicht mehr (ich weiß nicht genau seit wann, ich hab es heute bemerkt). Ich würde mich freuen, wenn du das wieder repariert kriegst. Viele Grüße, CENNOXX (talk) 15:16, 11 July 2013 (UTC)Reply

Oh, sehr schade... Wenn ich Zeit finde, werde ich danach schauen, aber im Moment bin ich etwas unter Wasser. --Denny (talk) 15:18, 11 July 2013 (UTC)Reply
Ah, einfacher als ich dachte. Gefixt: https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=User:Denny/articlePreview.js&diff=56444161&oldid=763608 --Denny (talk) 15:21, 11 July 2013 (UTC)Reply
Danke!--CENNOXX (talk) 19:10, 11 July 2013 (UTC)Reply

located in/on physical feature (P706) has been created... edit

...you can start using it now :) --Nightwish62 (talk) 20:04, 23 July 2013 (UTC)Reply

Thank you! --Denny (talk) 20:05, 23 July 2013 (UTC)Reply

Tree of life edit

Please can you update your tool with last database dump? --Rippitippi (talk) 11:39, 6 September 2013 (UTC)Reply

I should, but currently do not have the time... sorry... :P --Denny (talk) 12:15, 6 September 2013 (UTC)Reply
Ok thanks --Rippitippi (talk) 18:39, 6 September 2013 (UTC)Reply

+1. I've worked through incorrectly placed items in the tree and now I want to see them in right places :) Please! Infovarius (talk) 22:27, 22 February 2014 (UTC)Reply

:) I really need to see to find the time for that :) Or someone else can pick up the code and do it. I make no promises, but I read your request :) --Denny (talk) 17:25, 24 February 2014 (UTC)Reply

"South African municipality code (en)" edit

Hi,

I found you on Special:ListUsers/propertycreator. Would you create the property listed on WD:Property_proposal/Place? --  Docu  at 03:49, 11 September 2013 (UTC)Reply

Thank you edit

Over the past year, I have spent a frighteningly large amount of time on Wikidata. I did this because I love the project. Today marks the end of an era at Wikidata, an era that has been so successful in no small part due to your efforts. Thank you for helping bring this beautiful thing into existence, and for shepherding it forward during its first year. You will be missed. Sven Manguard Wha? 17:37, 27 September 2013 (UTC)Reply

Thanks for your kind words! --Denny (talk) 22:45, 27 September 2013 (UTC)Reply
Thank you very much, indeed. I already wrote to you which were my motivations, and how you captivated me in Washington with your presentation, and how this turned me in the "Wikidata ambassador" at Italian Wikipedia. Good luck for your new work, and hope to see you here as a user. Your opinion will always be valuable for us. :) --Sannita - not just another it.wiki sysop 17:43, 27 September 2013 (UTC)Reply
Thank you! I am glad the presentation had that effect -- the Italian Wikipedia provided Wikidata with an important milestone, as you know. --Denny (talk) 22:45, 27 September 2013 (UTC)Reply
By the way, you might want to update your user page, specifically, the part about your WMDE account. The Anonymouse (talk) 22:52, 27 September 2013 (UTC)Reply
Thanks for the reminder! Did. --Denny (talk) 10:19, 28 September 2013 (UTC)Reply


Congratulations, Dear Administrator! edit

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An offering for our new administrator from your comrades... (our gift is better than the one at Commons or Meta)

You have your gun; now here's your badge: {{User admin}}/{{#babel:admin}} and {{Admin topicon}}. Enjoy!

Denny, congratulations! You now have the rights of administrator on Wikidata. Please take a moment to read the Wikidata:Administrators page and watchlist related pages (in particular Wikidata:Project chat and Wikidata:Administrators' noticeboard), before launching yourself into page deletions, page protections, account blockings, or modifications of protected pages.

Please feel free to join us on IRC: #wikidata-admin @ irc.freenode.net. If you need access, you can flag someone down at #wikimedia-wikidata @ irc.freenode.net. You may find Commons:Guide to adminship to be useful reading, although it doesn't always completely apply here at Wikidata. You may also want to consider adding yourself to meta:Template:Wikidata/Ambassadors, and to any similar page on your home wiki if one exists. (WT:Wikidata/Wikidatans on En-WP.)

Please also add/update the languages you speak to your listing at Wikidata:List of administrators. You may also like to add your username to this list if you would not like that items you delete at RfD get marked as deleted automatically. Again, welcome to the admin corps!

--Ymblanter (talk) 06:08, 5 October 2013 (UTC)Reply

Please accept my congratulations with the administrator flag.--Ymblanter (talk) 06:08, 5 October 2013 (UTC)Reply
Thank you, and everyone who expressed their support. I didn't have a computer the last few days, and am still in the phase of moving and getting settled. See you around! ----Denny (talk) 14:52, 8 October 2013 (UTC)Reply

Late RfC vote edit

Hi Denny, thanks for volunteering to review the Commons RfC and closure. I was too slow to !vote on option VI before it closed, so thought I'd post my opinion here instead, just for you to consider along with everything else. I think option VI is very much inferior to option III, for the reasons I gave in my support vote for option III, so I would have opposed option VI. But it seems the most workable of the other options if we need a stopgap method until option III is supported. --Avenue (talk) 16:35, 21 November 2013 (UTC)Reply

Acknowledged. --Denny (talk) 02:42, 22 November 2013 (UTC)Reply

[1] edit

Is that right? Note I've reverted the edit myself (but this version is kept in page history), in case it's wrong. If you think it's right, please undo again.--GZWDer (talk) 05:22, 22 November 2013 (UTC)Reply

Just a curiosity edit

Do you know why in your map of the geocoordinates there is a "hole" in Romania? --ValterVB (talk) 21:39, 13 December 2013 (UTC)Reply

Ops is the Black Sea :) --ValterVB (talk) 21:43, 13 December 2013 (UTC)Reply
Hi, ValterVB. Hehe. You can see it a bit more clearly on the larger map. Romania has a lower coverage than Bulgaria or or the Ukraine, but seems much in line with Moldavia, Italy, and slightly better than Greece or Turkey. Sure quite a bit more to go! :) --Denny (talk) 21:48, 13 December 2013 (UTC)Reply

Subpages edit

If a subtemplate isn't a /doc page, please don't delete the item yet. Please discuss at Wikidata:Requests for comment/Interwiki links for subpages first.--GZWDer (talk) 05:28, 31 December 2013 (UTC)Reply

Uhm, sorry if I did so, but I don't think I did. Or was this just a general notice? --Denny (talk) 01:37, 1 January 2014 (UTC)Reply

Notice of removal of adminship edit

Hello,

I regret to inform you that, in accordance with Wikidata:Administrators#Losing adminship and as a result of your inactivity, administrator rights have been removed from your account. Please see Wikidata:Requests for comment/Defining inactivity for details. Kind regards, Vogone (talk) 12:49, 1 May 2014 (UTC)Reply

Thanks for the message, Vogone, and sorry I couldn't be more active as an admin. --Denny (talk) 20:10, 4 May 2014 (UTC)Reply

New proposal for Wiktionary edit

I just wanted to give you a personal heads-up that I'm working on an evolution of your proposal for putting Wiktionary data in Wikidata. (I've also left a comment on Wikidata talk:Wiktionary about it.) I welcome your feedback. — GPHemsley (talk) 11:24, 17 October 2014 (UTC)Reply

Thanks! --Denny (talk) 15:42, 17 October 2014 (UTC)Reply
More discussion has taken place, and I'd be interested to hear your thoughts when you have a chance. — GPHemsley (talk) 14:50, 20 October 2014 (UTC)Reply

The Structured Data Bee, vol. 1, issue 1 edit

Greetings, thank you for signing up for the Structured Data newsletter and its first edition. With this newsletter, the Structured data team plans on keeping you informed of technical progress, events, and communications to talk about the project, and continued information on how you can participate. This newsletter will be sent approximately every two weeks, and future editions will be translatable prior to publication. If you're new to Wikidata and want more information about how it works in relation to Wikimedia Commons, you can read an introduction to Wikidata for Commons being drafted.

Tech and design edit

  • The software development for this process is still in the planning phases. The idea is to have some functional prototyping done for experimentation and feedback by the end of the year.
  • The initial roadmap for development has been posted on Commons. The roadmap is a rough outline and is open to iterations as the team learns where and when to focus its energies.
  • There is a page set up for design ideas about what structured data could potentially look like.
  • There are forthcoming requests for comment about the particulars of technical architecture on mediawiki.org. Keep an eye on the commons:Commons:Structured data/Get involved page for notification of when the RfCs are posted.

Events and chats edit

  • There was a week-long meeting between the Wikimedia Foundation's Multimedia team, the Wikidata team, and community members, held in Berlin, Germany, at the office of Wikimedia Deutchland on October 6-10. You can read an overview of the event in on this page on Commons. There are also plenty of pictures available on Wikimedia Commons.
  • If you would like to read more detail about what was discussed, there are etherpads of notes taken for each day of the event.
  • The second IRC office hour (logs) was held on October 16, and the first (logs) on September 3.

Getting involved edit

  • You've signed up for the newsletter. That's a great first step!
  • While working prototypes are being developed, there is a drive to make all files contain machine-readable data on Wikimedia projects.
  • A hub has been launched to facilitate communication and documentation for this work.
  • There is a frequently-asked questions page that is finishing drafting and will need translated. Keep an eye out for when it is ready if you are interested in translating.
  • There will be active organization of the Get involved page as community participation is further organized. There will be work groups, similar to specific Wikiprojects, dedicated to particular aspects of structured data like licensing presentation, design, API performance, and even helping out with this newsletter and other community communications.

There will be much more information and activities around the proposal to develop structured data on Wikimedia Commons. This project is a major undertaking and an important step as the chief provider, repository, and curator of media for Wikimedia projects.

Thank you for your participation in such an extensive project, let me know if you're interested in participating in this newsletter. Keegan (WMF) (talk) 04:43, 1 November 2014 (UTC)Reply

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ORCID edit

Do you have an ORCID identifier? please see Wikidata:ORCID. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:27, 20 December 2014 (UTC)Reply

It seems not, no. --Denny (talk) 18:13, 30 December 2014 (UTC)Reply
In that case, I recommend you get one (registration is free); see en:ORCID. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:19, 16 January 2015 (UTC)Reply

http://tools.wmflabs.org/yichengtry edit

Hey Denny. On the 2nd birthday you presented the merge game yichengtry. As far as I understood it, all edits were saved in a database but not propagated to Wikidata. I would like to do this propagation now by my bot. If this is okay for you, could you add me as maintainer of yichengtry that I get the necessary access rights? Thanks. --Pasleim (talk) 14:33, 30 December 2014 (UTC)Reply

@Pasleim:: Yes, absolutely. I'll try to figure out how, or you can ping me on IRC to help me do it. --Denny (talk) 17:11, 30 December 2014 (UTC)Reply
On http://tools.wmflabs.org you can click manage maintainers --Pasleim (talk) 17:13, 30 December 2014 (UTC)Reply
@Pasleim:: Done --Denny (talk) 18:11, 30 December 2014 (UTC)Reply
@Pasleim:: Let me know how it proceeds. --Denny (talk) 18:55, 30 December 2014 (UTC)Reply

Structured Data on Commons update edit

Greetings,

After a delay in updates to the Structured data on Commons project, I wanted to catch you up with what has been going on over the past three months. In short: The project is on hold, but that doesn't mean nothing is happening.

The meeting in Berlin in October provided the engineering teams with a lot to start on. Unfortunately the Structured Data on Commons project was put on hold not too long after this meeting. Development of the actual Structured data system for Commons will not begin until more resources can be allocated to it.

The Wikimedia Foundation and Wikimedia Germany have been working to improve the Wikidata query process on the back-end. This is designed to be a production-grade replacement of WikidataQuery integrated with search. The full project is described at Mediawiki.org.This will benefit the structured data project greatly since developing a high-level search for Commons is a desired goal of this project.

The Wikidata development team is working on the arbitrary access feature. Currently it's only possible to access items that are connected to the current page. So for example on Vincent van Gogh you can access the statements on Q5582, but you can't access these statements on Category:Vincent van Gogh or Creator:Vincent van Gogh. With arbitrary access enabled on Commons we no longer have this limitation. This opens up the possibility to use Wikidata data on Creator, Institution, Authority control and other templates instead of duplicating the data (what we do now). This will greatly enhance the usefulness of Wikidata for Commons.

To use the full potential of arbitrary access the Commons community needs to reimplement several templates in LUA. In LUA it's possible to use the local fields and fallback to Wikidata if it's not locally available. Help with this conversion is greatly appreciated. The different tasks are tracked in phabricator, see https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T89594 .

Volunteers are continuing to add data about artworks to Wikidata. Sometimes an institution website is used and sometimes data is being transfered from Commons to Wikidata. Wikidata now has almost 35.000 items about paintings. This is done as part of the WikiProject sum of all paintings. This helps us to learn how to d:Wikidata:WikiProject Visual arts/Item structuremodel and refine metadata about artworks. Experience that will of course be very useful for Commons too.

Additionally, the metadata cleanup drive continues to produce results. The drive, which is intended to identify files missing {{Information}} or the like structured data fields and to add such fields when absent, has reduced the number of files missing information by almost 100,000 on Commons. You can help by looking for files with similarly-formatted description pages, and listing them at Commons:Bots/Work requests so that a bot can add the {{Information}} template on them.

At the Amsterdam Hackathon in November 2014, a couple of different models were developed about how artwork can be viewed on the web using structured data from Wikidata. You can browse two examples here and here. These examples can give you an idea of the kind of data that file pages have the potential to display on-wiki in the future.

The Structured Data project is a long-term one, and the volunteers and staff will continue working together to provide the structure and support in the back-end toward front-end development. There are still many things to do to help advance the project, and I hope to have more news for you in the near future. Contact me any time with questions, comments, concerns.

-- User:Keegan (WMF) (talk) 19:46, 19 February 2015 (UTC)Reply

Indenting edit

Could you indent your statements in discussions? You very often use the same indention as preceding editors used for their statements.

Yes, I do. I don't see a reason to increase indentation if I it is a mere flow of conversation. --Denny (talk) 22:32, 10 April 2015 (UTC)Reply

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