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The Swedish DeathbookEdit

Originally proposed at Wikidata:Property proposal/Person

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Descriptionis a CD created by Swedish Genealogy society in the project "Name for the Dead" that contains today about 11 million dead Swedish people who have died after 1860. This property will just contain the unique identifier of a record. As this source is used a lot it is a good source to identify the uniqueness of a person Swedish death index (Q10686079)
RepresentsSwedish death index (Q10686079)
Data typeExternal identifier
Domainhuman (Q5)
Allowed values
Example
  • Olof Palme (Q53713) → 19270130-0499 Palme, Sven Olof Joachim
  • Planned useOn Swedish people in Wikidata
    Number of IDs in source+9000 (same amounts of Swedish people died after 1860 in Wikipedia)
    Expected completeness??

    Motivation

    In Sweden this database is used a lot and is a good secondary source to confirm birth and death dates. I can see usage

    • Quality assure what we have in Wikipedia
    • Add a good source ==> better trust what we state in Wikidata and in the articles
    • Find death dates for people who has no Swedish death dates when matching
    • Used in the future for matching external datasources that also use "The Swedish Deathbook"

    Task T200029 Salgo60 (talk) 11:24, 19 May 2018 (UTC)

    (moved from proposal template: No Formatter URL) - not online used for identify a person with another dataset using it ArthurPSmith (talk) 17:22, 2 July 2018 (UTC)

    Discussion

    •   Support David (talk) 12:36, 26 May 2018 (UTC)
    •   Support it seems a primary database in Sweden.--Alexmar983 (talk) 16:03, 24 June 2018 (UTC)
    •   Comment (currently) "allowed values" doesn't seem to allow the value of the sample.
      --- Jura 05:33, 28 June 2018 (UTC)
      • @Salgo60: this needs to be fixed before we create the property. The regular expression you provided is incompatible with the example. It would be good to have at least 3 examples and a consistent regular expression. − Pintoch (talk) 08:07, 1 July 2018 (UTC)
        • @Pintoch: the key is the weak part in this concept. For people born after 1900 I feel we have this "Personal number" we have in Sweden YYYYMMDD-\d4 but for older people its hopefully a "invented" number but I am not sure and therefore I say the ID should be a text string 19270130-0499 Palme, Sven Olof Joachim.... I had a chat with the person doing this database if this was an unique string and he said yes BUT could be a problem when they register twins who died before birth and had no name ==> sound like a non problem in Wikidata/Wikipedia- Salgo60 (talk) 17:45, 19 July 2018 (UTC)
          • I'd probably just use the number then and possibly qualify with named as (P1810).
            --- Jura 13:26, 29 July 2018 (UTC)
      • @ديفيد عادل وهبة خليل 2, Nomen ad hoc, Alexmar983: as you looked into this, could you fix it?
        --- Jura 09:16, 5 July 2018 (UTC)
    •   Support. Nomen ad hoc (talk) 14:21, 30 June 2018 (UTC).
    •   Comment Any working example?--Jklamo (talk) 16:32, 1 August 2018 (UTC)
    Having a WD property it will be cleaner design and also available as a property on the person object - Salgo60 (talk) 14:09, 5 August 2018 (UTC)
    •   Comment Will this be the same number as Personal identity number (Q5453848) as modern people die? Will it always use a 4 digit birth year? I never understood why they decided to use a two digit birth year in Q5453848. Has anyone seen a free version online or a downloadable version so I can test the numbers? --RAN (talk) 14:15, 14 August 2018 (UTC)
      • This datasource is since about 1860 so its before Personal identity number (Q5453848) BUT they have a number on most people that we plan to use. When I suggested this property the plan was that we should get access to the whole datasource and could check all Swedish Wikipedia people. This has changed as they are afraid of sharing the data as the dataset is sold on a CD and is a major income for the Swedish genealogy society - Salgo60 (talk) 15:31, 11 December 2018 (UTC)
    •   Support Cwf97 (|talk) 18:49, 3 December 2018 (EST)
    • @Salgo60: I propose to close this proposal given the problems with the format and the difficulties with accessing the data. − Pintoch (talk) 10:29, 30 December 2018 (UTC)
      • Ok @Pintoch: I dont know how to do that... - Salgo60 (talk) 11:06, 30 December 2018 (UTC)
    I have the data set if anyone needs a search in it, or we rule it is public domain. It appears that most of the data comes from collected genealogies and extant tombstones. I am not sure why it is called a death book, a portion of the entries only have birth information. I don't see a record number, just an index by name. When I ordered it it was listed as complete up to 2016, but that appears to be the year of the last update. It does not seem to include people that died in 2016 or many that died in the recent decades. It is mostly historic death records. --RAN (talk) 19:54, 4 February 2019 (UTC)