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from narrative universe
subject's fictional entity is in the object narrative. See also P1441 (present in work) and P1445 (fictional universe described in)

Description	subject fictional entity is in object narrative or fictional universe
Represents	fictional universe (Q559618)
Data type	Item
Template parameter	"series" in en:Template:Infobox character; "source" in en:Template:Infobox fictional location; others
Domain	According to this template: any under the subclass tree of fictional entity (Q14897293) According to statements in the property: fictional entity (Q14897293), mythical entity (Q24334685), legendary figure (Q13002315), character that may or may not be fictional (Q21070598), meme (Q978), group of fictional characters (Q14514600), class of fictional entities (Q15831596), epithet (Q207869), phrase originating from a work of fiction (Q116811429) or item quality (Q121709783) When possible, data should only be stored as statements
Allowed values	subclasses of work (Q386724) or fictional universe (Q559618) (note: this should be moved to the property statements)
Example	Mordor (Q202886) → Tolkien's legendarium (Q81738) Albus Dumbledore (Q712548) → Harry Potter universe (Q5410773) Buffy Summers (Q1799459) → Buffyverse (Q2524381) Zeus (Q34201) → Greek mythology (Q34726) Tamangori (Q7680686) → Mangaia mythology (Q110225047)
Tracking: usage	Category:Pages using Wikidata property P1080 (Q28055139)
See also	present in work (P1441), fictional universe described in (P1445), takes place in fictional universe (P1434), media franchise (P8345)
Lists	Items with the most statements of this property Count of items by number of statements (chart) Items with the most statements Items with the fewest statements Count of items by number of sitelinks (chart) Items with the most sitelinks Items with the most sitelinks, but no link to one Wikipedia (sample: Welsh Wikipedia, cywiki) Items with the fewest sitelinks Most linked wikis Items with the most identifier properties By value of property Most statements Fewest statements Most sitelinks Most linked wikis Total of sitelinks on items Most identifiers Fewest identifiers Items with no other statements Most recently created items Items with novalue claims Items with unknown value claims Usage history (total) Usage history (main statement) Chart by item creation date Database reports/Complex constraint violations/P1080 Database reports/Constraint violations/P1080 Map Random list
Proposal discussion	Proposal discussion
Current uses	Total 47,141 Main statement 46,733 99.1% of uses Qualifier 403 0.9% of uses Reference 5 <0.1% of uses
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Type “fictional entity (Q14897293), mythical entity (Q24334685), legendary figure (Q13002315), character that may or may not be fictional (Q21070598), meme (Q978), group of fictional characters (Q14514600), class of fictional entities (Q15831596), epithet (Q207869), phrase originating from a work of fiction (Q116811429), item quality (Q121709783)”: item must contain property “instance of (P31), subclass of (P279)” with classes “fictional entity (Q14897293), mythical entity (Q24334685), legendary figure (Q13002315), character that may or may not be fictional (Q21070598), meme (Q978), group of fictional characters (Q14514600), class of fictional entities (Q15831596), epithet (Q207869), phrase originating from a work of fiction (Q116811429), item quality (Q121709783)” or their subclasses (defined using subclass of (P279)). (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P1080#Type Q14897293, Q24334685, Q13002315, Q21070598, Q978, Q14514600, Q15831596, Q207869, Q116811429, Q121709783, SPARQL

Value type “fictional universe (Q559618), mythology (Q9134), literary cycle (Q867335)”: This property should use items as value that contain property “instance of (P31), subclass of (P279)”. On these, the value for instance of (P31), subclass of (P279) should be an item that uses subclass of (P279) with value fictional universe (Q559618), mythology (Q9134), literary cycle (Q867335) (or a subclass thereof). (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P1080#Value type Q559618, Q9134, Q867335, SPARQL

None of media franchise (Q196600), film series (Q24856), video game series (Q7058673), animated film series (Q56884562), anime television series (Q63952888), manga series (Q21198342), Wikimedia list article (Q13406463): value must not be any of the specified items.
Replacement property:
Replacement values: (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P1080#none of, SPARQL

Conflicts with “instance of (P31): human (Q5)”: this property must not be used with the listed properties and values. (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P1080#Conflicts with P31, search, SPARQL

Item “present in work (P1441)”: Items with this property should also have “present in work (P1441)”. (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P1080#Item P1441, search, SPARQL

Conflicts with “instance of (P31): Wikimedia list article (Q13406463)”: this property must not be used with the listed properties and values. (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P1080#Conflicts with P31, search, SPARQL

Allowed entity types are Wikibase item (Q29934200): the property may only be used on a certain entity type (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P1080#Entity types

Scope is as main value (Q54828448): the property must be used by specified way only (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P1080#Scope, SPARQL

None of Grand Theft Auto universe (Q63254636): value must not be any of the specified items.
Replacement property:
Replacement values: Grand Theft Auto 2D universe (Q63258080), Grand Theft Auto 3D universe (Q63254642), Grand Theft Auto HD universe (Q2803119) (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P1080#none of, SPARQL

None of Disney universe (Q3551225), Disney Universe (Q2702192): value must not be any of the specified items.
Replacement property:
Replacement values: Walt Disney Animation Studios film universes (Q101099318), Disney Channel animated universe (Q110656279), Donald Duck universe (Q12301358), Mickey Mouse universe (Q3260246) (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P1080#none of, SPARQL

None of The Walking Dead universe (Q99429862): value must not be any of the specified items.
Replacement property:
Replacement values: The Walking Dead Comic Universe (Q113137728), The Walking Dead Television Universe (Q113137726) (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P1080#none of, SPARQL

None of Marvel Universe (Q931597): value must not be any of the specified items.
Replacement property:
Replacement values: Marvel multiverse (Q598824), Earth-616 (Q2246088), Ultimate Marvel Universe (Q116671834), Marvel Cinematic Universe (Q642878) (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P1080#none of, SPARQL

This property is being used by: ru:Шаблон:Вымышленная планета, ru:Шаблон:Вымышленная организация hy:Կաղապար:Տեղեկաքարտ Այբուբեն, hy:Կաղապար:Տեղեկաքարտ Գիրք, hy:Կաղապար:Տեղեկաքարտ Աստղային պատերազմների կերպար, hy:Կաղապար:Տեղեկաքարտ Կոմիքսների կերպար ro:Format:Infocaseta Personaj ca:Plantilla:Infotaula personatge, ca:Plantilla:Infotaula sistema d'escriptura commons:Template:Wikidata Infobox/core mw:Template:Wikidata Infobox/core mr:साचा:विकिडाटा माहितीचौकट/core, mr:साचा:विकिडेटा माहितीचौकट/core ur:سانچہ:خانہ معلومات ویکی ڈیٹا/کور, ur:سانچہ:Wikidata Infobox/core ast:Plantía:Ficha de sistema d'escritura q:fr:Modèle:Wikidata Infobox/core diq:Şablon:Pokemoni de:Vorlage:Wikidata Infobox/core eu:Txantiloi:Pertsonaia infotaula gu:ઢાંચો:Wikidata Infobox/core uk:Шаблон:Картка:Міфічний персонаж, uk:Шаблон:Персонаж GTA, uk:Шаблон:Вигадана організація ta:வார்ப்புரு:Wikidata Infobox/core hi:साँचा:Wikidata Infobox/core sv:Mall:Wikidata Infobox/core s:zh:Template:Wikidata Infobox/core ckb:داڕێژە:Wikidata Infobox/core pt:Predefinição:Wikidata Infobox/core id:Templat:Kotak info Wikidata/inti ku:Şablon:Wikidata Infobox/core mnw:ထာမ်ပလိက်:Wikidata Infobox/core d:Template:Wikidata Infobox/core no:Mal:Wikidata Infobox/core s:ban:Mal:Wikidata Infobox/core ban:Mal:Wikidata Infobox/core lv:Veidne:Wikidata Infobox/core ga:Teimpléad:WD Bosca Sonraí Carachtar, ga:Teimpléad:WD Bosca Sonraí Córais Scríbhneoireachta s:hi:साँचा:Wikidata Infobox/core Please notify projects that use this property before big changes (renaming, deletion, merge with another property, etc.)

Exceptions: there are "list of" fictional characters

Frequent errors with present in work (P1441)

Value Wizarding World (Q30739117) will be automatically replaced to value Harry Potter universe (Q5410773). Testing: TODO list

If property value equals to Pokémon universe (Q17562848) then claim media franchise (P8345) = Pokémon (Q864) will be created automatically. Testing: TODO list

Related characters do not share fictional universes
Fictional character, with a P1080 statement, that has a relationship to another character that does not share any P1080 value. (Help)
Violations query: SELECT ?item ?otherPerson WHERE { ?item wdt:P1080 []; wdt:P40 | wdt:P22 | wdt:P25 | wdt:P26 | wdt:P451 | wdt:P802 | wdt:P1066 ?otherPerson . FILTER NOT EXISTS { [] ^wdt:P1080 ?item, ?otherPerson . } }
List of this constraint violations: Database reports/Complex constraint violations/P1080#Related characters do not share fictional universes

'Or fictional universe

I have added "or fictional universe" when the character is present in a whole folklore or fictional world. --Zolo (talk) 07:54, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

Agreed; I've been linking a bunch of pages to pages like "Buffyverse" and "Tolkien's legendarium". I've added some examples of fictional universes to the property documentation. --Arctic.gnome (talk) 17:32, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

Suggest rename to 'story cycle'

I'd suggest a rename of the label to 'story cycle', as this property is also used for mythology and legends, and in some cases in a clearly religious context. It would be good to have a label that is inclusive of all of these uses, unlike 'from fictional universe'.--Pharos (talk) 22:17, 29 March 2018 (UTC)

I changed the name to "from narrative universe" - I think this is more inclusive to mythology and legends. - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 13:50, 7 February 2020 (UTC)

Fictional location?

Shouldn't a similar property exist for items in non-universe sized fictional areas, such as fictional island (Q6619693)s? WT79 The Engineer (talk) 15:21, 17 May 2020 (UTC)

@WT79 The Engineer: For areas you can use the usual geographical properties like located in/on physical feature (P706), located in the administrative territorial entity (P131), etc. - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 09:32, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

@Valentina.Anitnelav: Yes these properties do exist, but there are no similar fictional or mythical analog of (P1074)s of these. Fictional features like Sodor (Q3299764) are not administrative territorial entity (Q56061)s, as they cannot perform any administrative actions, outside of fiction. WT79 The Engineer (talk) 10:24, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

These properties are also allowed for fictional places and fictional administrative entities (see property constraints, e.g. Property:P706#P2302)). Fictional entities are kept distinct from real entities by making them an instance of any subclass of fictional entity (Q14897293). So you can filter out all fictional entities from queries. Besides that, normal properties can be used on those (see also Wikidata:WikiProject_Fictional_universes and Wikidata:WikiProject_Narration). - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 10:53, 18 May 2020 (UTC)

inclusion of mythology

What's the current thinking on this? I notice it's still an alias, but some items use worshipped by (P1049) which can work for deities, e.g. Hera (Q38012), but which seems less obvious for other characters, e.g. Diomedes of Thrace (Q393186). Many also use part of (P361).

Current counts for some properties with Greek mythology (Q34726) as value:

• 618 part of (P361)
• 109 worshipped by (P1049)
• 70 from narrative universe (P1080)
• 4 facet of (P1269)
• 3 religion or worldview (P140)
• 2 present in work (P1441)

Query is at [1]. I probably added some or many of any of these myself and some uses might not be directly relevant to the question at hand.

I don't think P361 is that useful in the context. I'd tend to use from narrative universe (P1080) or create a new one.--- Jura 22:31, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

@Valentina.Anitnelav: as you changed the label of this property from "fictional universe" to "narrative universe" [2] (last year). --- Jura 22:38, 13 December 2021 (UTC)

I think all mythical entities should use from narrative universe (P1080) instead of part of (P361). Some of the part of (P361) statements are not clear to me, e.g. the one on Homer (Q6691) (it is probably false or tries to express something that cannot be expressed otherwise). Items that are not strictly mythical (like Troy (Q22647)) should not use from narrative universe (P1080). I think that narrative location (P840) statement on Iliad (Q8275) and Odyssey (Q35160) should suffice for Troy (Q22647). But there is also Mount Olympus (Q80344). One could think about having one item for the real mountain and one for the mythical with the mythical item having from narrative universe (P1080) Greek mythology (Q34726).

I'm not sure about expressions, symbols or motifs (like Achilles' heel (Q33785)) or cornucopia (Q332682). I think we are missing a property "source of expression" or "coined in", similar to named by (P3938). - Valentina.Anitnelav (talk) 09:08, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

Epìdosis B20180 Geraki Azertus Alexander Doria Shisma Sp!ros Xena the Rebel Girl Alexmar983 DerHexer Lykos EncycloPetey Jahl de Vautban JBradyK Mathieu Kappler Ahc84 Liber008 JASHough User:Tolanor User:Jonathan Groß

Notified participants of WikiProject Ancient Greece I personally agree with previous comments, I dislike the use of part of (P361) for mythologies, and Greek mythology specifically. I would also recommend from narrative universe (P1080), this is a good occasion to establish this practice more clearly. --Epìdosis 15:48, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

I oppose this. The ancient, especially the greek, mythology is so complicated and so often rewritten, that there is not these narrative universe. People who are part of the troy war saga, are probably in a different story arc part of an other saga. A lot is not to subsumate under special sagas, they are just stories. It's correct to sort them under "greek mythology". But where else? To much people have a false understanding of the greek myths and religion. Marcus Cyron (talk) 19:16, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

+1 Marcus DerHexer (talk) 21:42, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

What alternative do you suggest? --- Jura 21:56, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

@Marcus Cyron: what statement you are opposing? I  Support using from narrative universe (P1080) too. --Infovarius (talk) 13:43, 15 December 2021 (UTC)