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Also...Edit

Hello, Arctic.gnome! I am just letting you know that I have added the autopatroller flag to your account, as you are a trusted user on Wikidata. If you have any questions or concerns, please don't hesitate to contact me or leave a message at the Project chat. Thanks, —Theopolisme 21:53, 13 December 2012 (UTC)

Canada federal politiciansEdit

Do you accept requests for the mass-adding of properties? I'd like the data item for each of the articles in each of the subcategories in en:w:Category:Members of the House of Commons of Canada by province or territory to get position held (P39) -> member of parliament (Q486839) -> of (P642) -> House of Commons (Q383590). If someone can do that, there are probably a bunch of other properties I'll think of adding en-masse later. Arctic.gnome (talk) 22:17, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

gender subclassesEdit

Thanks for the organization of cisgender male (Q15145778) and‎ cisgender female (Q15145779) I think it makes sense, I assume you made this change so that searching would work better, but by this same logic wouldn't Q15145782 would be a subclass of female (Q6581072) and Q15145783 would be a subclass of male (Q6581097)? I don't think the other terms fit so nicely but these 4 seem to make sense.
Jared Zimmerman (talk) 12:23, 18 November 2013 (UTC)

Edit to space (Q107)Edit

I don't think "subclass" is really the right relation here. If something could be an instance of space, that wouldn't make it an instance of a universe, if such a thing could make sense. --Yair rand (talk) 08:14, 28 November 2013 (UTC)

I'm trying to nest everything within subclasses to shorten the list at Wikidata:Database reports/Constraint violations/P279, but I agree the categories start to get strange near the top. The template w:en:Template:Nature has space, time, matter, and energy listed under universe, which I think sort of makes sense. Would physical law (Q214070) be a better fit as space's class? Maybe we need to create a new item "fundamental qualities of the universe" to go at the top of the hierarchy. --Arctic.gnome (talk) 08:21, 28 November 2013 (UTC)
Perhaps, though "fundamental" certainly wouldn't transfer well. I've been working under a general assumption that if X is an instance of Y which is a subclass of Z, then X is an instance of Z. I don't know how well accepted that is in terms of how the properties are used. I find the subclass constraint to be really odd, actually. Many of the subclass relations don't make much sense. None of the subclasses of "universe" or "space" really seem appropriate, and I'm not sure those things could be said to be "classes" in the first place, so maybe they should be removed from the tree entirely. ("Universe" seems to refer to a particular entity, "the Universe".) --Yair rand (talk) 08:56, 28 November 2013 (UTC)

[1]Edit

Hello, can you explain this change a bit? This list of heritage monuments is a "Satzung" (type of local law) by the municipality, it is not a "place or location" in the town. Not sure, but as I understand it located in the administrative territorial entity (P131) is only for locations. applies to jurisdiction (P1001) says "the item (an institution, law, ...) belongs to or applies to the value (a jurisdiction: a country, state, municipality, ...)", so why should it be wrong? Holger1959 (talk) 23:40, 5 December 2013 (UTC)

The way I see it, the list of monuments is about the monuments, which are in the town of Breckerfeld. The property "of jurisdiction" would be used on the law or the organization that made the list. For example (using Canada), Canadian Register of Historic Places (Q3456275) and Heritage Railway Stations Protection Act (Q5739021) should have "of jurisdiction", but list of historic places in Alberta (Q3250837) should have "is in administrative division". --Arctic.gnome (talk) 23:58, 5 December 2013 (UTC)
I think the legal situation in Canada is very different from here. Breckerfeld is a municipality in the German state North Rhine-Westphalia. For the state we have the general law "Denkmalschutzgesetz (North Rhine-Westphalia)". Each municipality is the organisation (as Untere Denkmalbehörde) which made its own "Satzung" (local law), the so called Denkmalliste (or better one Satzung for every monument). If you can read german please have a look at § 3, § 5 and following. Holger1959 (talk) 02:24, 7 December 2013 (UTC)

Frederick III (Q77233)Edit

Hi Arctic.gnome, why did you delete this property?. Please revert. --Oursana (talk) 18:38, 7 December 2013 (UTC)

@Oursana: Hi. The property head of state (P35) must be used on states. If you want to show that a person is a head of state, use position held (P39) => (name of title) => of (P642) => (name of state). --Arctic.gnome (talk) 18:59, 7 December 2013 (UTC)
Thank you.--Oursana (talk) 19:03, 7 December 2013 (UTC)

Australia lost its sovereignty?Edit

I'm still learning, so I may be very wrong, but this looks wrong. For some reason Australia (Q408) is not loading for me, so I cant see the result to investigate further. John Vandenberg (talk) 05:53, 11 December 2013 (UTC)

  • @John Vandenberg: I figured those edits would raise some eyebrows (I did the same to Canada and the UK). The value Commonwealth realm (Q202686) is a subclass of sovereign state (Q3624078), so we don't need Australia to be an instance of both. Currently, political divisions are a bit of mess in how they're organized, and we really need to start putting countries and country-subdivisions into standardized places in the subclass tree rather than just having "instance of" values assigned on a case-by-case basis. User:Emw just wrote a good mini-essay here about the organization of political divisions. --Arctic.gnome (talk) 06:03, 11 December 2013 (UTC)
That link doesn't work quite right for me -- try Wikidata:Properties_for_deletion#Emw_on_P132. Emw (talk) 13:13, 11 December 2013 (UTC)
  • Ah, I see what you have done. That will mean the query to determine when a region was first sovereign is harder to extract, but such is life and this is still a work in progress. I am still curious about the loss of 'instance of: country' as I don't see that under sovereign state (Q3624078). John Vandenberg (talk) 06:07, 11 December 2013 (UTC)
  • @John Vandenberg: I left the start date for "commonwealth realm" and I kept "instance of => Dominion" with start and end dates to show when Australia got those levels of sovereignty. To get earlier than that the page needs to add the "preceded by" property and links to colonies. Australia is eventually classed under "country" if you go far enough up the tree, although "country" is a strange term with no consistent meaning. --Arctic.gnome (talk) 06:15, 11 December 2013 (UTC)
    No worries. Thanks for explaining that. I'm learning... ;-) John Vandenberg (talk) 06:23, 11 December 2013 (UTC)

Fictional entityEdit

Hi, I removed the claim fictional entity (Q14897293) subclass of (P279) entity (Q35120) because of a previous discussion on fictional entities. While "entity" is typically the root of major ontologies, those ontologies confine themselves to the non-fictional world. Fictional entities are an entirely other ballgame, which was basically my rationale when I created fictional entity (Q14897293) and left it independent of the subclasses of "things that exist" (i.e. entity). Emw (talk) 04:19, 16 December 2013 (UTC)

Twitching a little bit...Edit

You know, it's possible to add two subclass claims, right?

Besides that, subclass of "term that..." should be an instance of relation, as we wouldn't want it to inherit. --Izno (talk) 23:02, 13 January 2014 (UTC)

  • @Izno: (1) There certainly can be two subclass claims. Would you please let me know which item(s) you're talking about? I might have a good reason for only using one subclass, or it might have been a mistake. (2) For your second point, I'll assume that you're talking about designation for an administrative territorial entity (Q15617994). Terms should use "instance of", you're right. Note however, that if we're treating items like "province" and "county" as terms rather than classes, we need to remove them from other items ("province of France" is not a subclass of a term). --Arctic.gnome (talk) 23:17, 13 January 2014 (UTC)

Re 1: All of your reorg of the upper levels of the location class hierarchy, where you're replacing already-existing subclass claims which are not necessarily false (especially with a claim like "term...", as that conveys very little useful information).

I would agree with we should remove it from other items, but that falls in the list of things which I'm not particularly concerned about. :) --Izno (talk) 01:17, 14 January 2014 (UTC)

  • @Izno: My main goal is putting each type of administrative division into two classes: one for its country (in the format "administrative division of X") and one for its type (such as "federated state" or "municipality"). I'm open to an item having more than two classes when appropriate. I thought that the times I removed a class was proper housekeeping, such as removing cases when an item is within both a parent class and a grandparent class. I'll look through my subclass trees to see if I made any mistakes. --Arctic.gnome (talk) 02:45, 14 January 2014 (UTC)

hierarchy of administrative division, administrative unit, table of administrative units by countryEdit

Please restore status-quo. I'm tired to defend correct linking. Infovarius (talk) 12:56, 16 January 2014 (UTC)

I can do that for you, once more... But you should understand and not mess up again. Infovarius (talk) 10:38, 17 January 2014 (UTC)

Danish realmEdit

What are you doing? Are you sure that Grenland is a member of European Union? --Infovarius (talk) 13:04, 16 January 2014 (UTC)

from fictional universe (P1080)Edit

Hi! This property which you proposed has been created. Danrok (talk) 13:14, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

Fictional ducksEdit

Hi Articn.gnome, thanks for pointing out the duplicate about "fictional human". For fictional duck (Q3247351) however, this is not really correct as the sitelinks point to list articles. I think it is important that we keep instances of Wikimedia list article (Q13406463) from real items, so that we know that Wikipedia articles are lists and that we do not have problems with labels, and also because sometimes we have lists and real articles about the same topic in the same language, and that would make things very confusing if we did not separate list items. --Zolo (talk) 14:05, 7 February 2014 (UTC)

fictional ethnic group or humanoid speciesEdit

I just separated Q15830623 from Q14835195 because I think if there is an or in a title of an entity, it could be defined more precise.--Shisma (talk) 08:26, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

@Shisma: That's fine, but I don't understand why you removed "subclass of => fictional entity". Also, when you split something, you should move the links that are now incorrect. I'll get started on fixing those. --Arctic.gnome (talk) 23:26, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

FeedbackEdit

Elves is a classEdit

How do you explain your edits? I've already argued for the opposite wording. Infovarius (talk) 19:41, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

  • @Infovarius: I had started to standardize fictional species as "instance of => fictional species" (or appropriate subclass)", but since then I've been convined to mark them as "instance of => fictional taxon, subclass of => [appropriate subclass]". I've standardized a bunch of them to the class format, but I haven't gotten around to Harry Potter yet. --Arctic.gnome (talk) 19:49, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

recent deletion and administrative divisions item.Edit

Hi, please see User Talk:TomT0m#Administrative_divisions}} moved here : Wikidata:Country subdivision task_force#A_3_layer_model_to_class_subdivisions_and_their_type_with_nature_de_l.27.C3.A9l.C3.A9ment_.28P31.29_and_sous-classe_de_.28P279.29 to see a discussion about the items you just deleted. I request their undeletion therefore (And i'd like to be consulted before a deletion of an item I created). TomT0m (talk) 20:21, 5 March 2014 (UTC)

Wikidata:Database reports/Constraint violations/P6Edit

Dear Arctic.gnome,
I saw that you've recently started to take care of the constraint violations in Wikidata:Database reports/Constraint violations/P6. Thanks for your help in that. From previously more than 8000 violations a week ago we are now down to around 400. Tomorrow the number should be down to less than 100.
To keep the items even more accurate, I've asked User:Ladsgroup (owner of Dexbot) to remove the P107 property "person" from all items, that have P31 "human". Further I've asked User:Ivan A. Krestinin (owner of KrBot) to report a new constraint on sex/gender. -- Pütz M. (talk) 09:46, 10 April 2014 (UTC)

The report is updated. Around 7500 contraint violations based on missing sex/gender. I was already working on the list starting from the top. To User:Ivan A. Krestinin I gave some Spanish first names (male and female). With his KrBot he will give some support. -- Pütz M. (talk) 11:02, 12 April 2014 (UTC)

PP/PlacesEdit

Hello Arctic.gnome,

To follow up on Wikidata:Property_proposal/Place#Demonym_.28monoligual_text.29, I was wondering if you would consider supporting or opposing the creation of the property to allow us to move ahead.

To address the Wiktionary option, I don't think the Wiktionary is on the short or medium term plan for Wikidata. I agree that for countries we might have demonyms in many languages, but the numbers should still be fairly limited and not necessarily exceed other properties with multiple values already available for countries (examples: population, diplomatic relations).

In any case, even if a better option becomes available later, the current values could be converted. --- Jura 08:55, 27 September 2014 (UTC)

RankEdit

I see that you make the same error that me about the rank of the statement. Deprecated rank should be only used when you have a wrong or unreliable statement. For the , You should use normal rank for osbselete affirmation and preferred rank for the actual one. It is explained here. --Fralambert (talk) 02:13, 18 November 2014 (UTC)

  • @Fralambert: Thanks for the tip. I've fixed it for all of the provinces and territories. --Arctic.gnome (talk) 00:13, 19 November 2014 (UTC)

P131 should not be used with eventsEdit

Hi, P131 is not applicable for events (fires, sportcompetitions, battle, etc.). Michiel1972 (talk) 20:34, 6 May 2016 (UTC)

P477Edit

Hi, I see that you making some correction on Canadian Register of Historic Places ID (P477), and adding some Alberta provincial historic resource (Q14465918). Did you know that you can use QuickStatements for some massive addition via a CSV file[2]. It's how I completed the missing national historic site of Canada (Q1568567). I have also decided to complete the rest of classified heritage immovable (Q13789518) of Quebec via QuickStatements. If you want, I can send you some csv file I done for the national historic sites or the Quebec heritage property if you want. --Fralambert (talk) 23:30, 9 May 2016 (UTC)

That's very useful, thanks! --Arctic.gnome (talk) 00:36, 10 May 2016 (UTC)

Q13789518Edit

Just to say I finished to make a item for all the classified heritage immovable (Q13789518). For a view on SPARQL:

#defaultView:Map
SELECT ?item ?itemLabel ?coord
WHERE {
	?item	wdt:P1435/wdt:P279* wd:Q13789518;
				wdt:P17 wd:Q16;
				rdfs:label ?itemLabel;
				wdt:P625 ?coord;
	FILTER (lang(?itemLabel) = "fr"). 
}

Try it!

Just a Idea like that maybe we should create a Wikiproject:Canada like Wikidata:WikiProject France? --Fralambert (talk) 23:47, 24 August 2016 (UTC)

RemovalEdit

Hi Arctic.gnome, can you please explain this edit? Multichill (talk) 19:55, 2 September 2016 (UTC)

@Multichill: The instructions for office held by head of government (P1313) say it should be used on specific territories, not types of territories. --Arctic.gnome (talk) 20:04, 2 September 2016 (UTC)
Where is this instruction? It appears to be incorrect and should be corrected. How else can we link province of the Netherlands (Q134390) with King's or Queen's Commissioner (Q813403)? Multichill (talk) 20:08, 2 September 2016 (UTC)
@Multichill: I agree that it would be useful. Right now I don't know how to allow it because types of territories do not use instance of (P31), so it triggers constraint violations. I will see if there is a way to make it work. --Arctic.gnome (talk) 20:28, 2 September 2016 (UTC)

vCardEdit

Nice idea; you'll find equivalent property (P1628) useful; see [3], for example. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:42, 19 September 2016 (UTC)

quidditchEdit

After these edits quidditch (Q305561) might no longer be used with the sport (P641) property. Types of sport typically subclass the sport (Q349) item, rather than using instance of (P31). I strongly suggest to revert this. Regards, —MisterSynergy (talk) 09:39, 2 November 2016 (UTC)

MonarchEdit

You claim that a monarch needs a "applies to territorial jurisdiction". Why? Louis said it well the state is me! Please revert. Thanks, GerardM (talk) 03:29, 4 February 2017 (UTC)

@GerardM: Louis was incorrect. The head of state and the state are different entities. --Arctic.gnome (talk) 19:17, 4 February 2017 (UTC)
It still is incorrect to state that it applies to a "territorial jurisdiction" that is the wrong concept. Thanks, GerardM (talk) 22:15, 4 February 2017 (UTC)
@GerardM: I don't understand your objection. Monarchs have jurisdiction over a place. Louis XIV's jurisdiction was France. Julius Caesar's jurisdiction was the Roman Empire. Elizabeth II's jurisdiction is the United Kingdom. --Arctic.gnome (talk) 23:14, 4 February 2017 (UTC)
It is always used the other way around at least that is how I understand it. something has to comply with the jurisdiction of the place. I doubt that your interpretation is correct. Thanks, GerardM (talk) 07:05, 6 February 2017 (UTC)
@GerardM: Isn't that what I did? Can you please show me an example of one you think is wrong and tell me what you think it should be? --Arctic.gnome (talk) 15:05, 6 February 2017 (UTC)

kingdomEdit

The current split of realm (Q1250464) does not make sense. Almost all labels and sitelinks on that item are referring to a region over which a king rules. E.g. fr:Royaume -> roi=king, af:Koninkryk -> koning=king, de:Königreich -> König=king, cs:království -> král=king. If you prefer to split the item because of English language nuances, please also move labels and sitelink to the right item, otherwise it's ending up in a mess. --Pasleim (talk) 08:13, 6 May 2017 (UTC)

@Pasleim: I didn't split it because of English nuances. I think that if we have kingdoms link directly to realm (Q1250464) but have Eastern monarchies link to a subclass of realm (e.g. Q20860035, Khanate (Q331644)), we'd be saying kingdoms are the "true" or "purest" version of a realm, which seems Eurocentric. --Arctic.gnome (talk) 14:34, 8 May 2017 (UTC)

National flag for collectivities of FranceEdit

Hi,

I see that you replaced flag (Q14660) by national flag (Q186516) on several collectivities and territories of France (first, I only saw flag of Martinique (Q209219) and I reverted you as I tought it was only a unique mistake, but I saw afterwards you did the same on other items). That quite strange, is there a reason for that change ?

Cdlt, VIGNERON (talk) 16:11, 22 July 2017 (UTC)

@VIGNERON: I probably based that on a list of flags somewhere else on the wikis that I didn't proofread closely enough. Sorry about that. --Arctic.gnome (talk) 15:19, 24 July 2017 (UTC)
Ok, I as just checking if I didn't miss something. I've correct the other cases (I hope I got them all). Cdlt, VIGNERON (talk) 15:37, 24 July 2017 (UTC)

Alberta Register of Historic PlacesEdit

Hi, Arctic.gnome, Tanks for adding some heritage properties in Alberta. I am actually planning to enter all the properties in the Alberta of Historic Places, like I already done for the Répertoire du patrimoine culturel du Québec. Alberta Register of Historic Places ID (P759) is actually one of the good heritage register in Canada. If you have some question, I will be happy to awnser them. Just know that I am in vacantion in Nova Scotia, so I may keep some time to respond. --Fralambert (talk) 00:53, 2 August 2017 (UTC)

@Fralambert: Thanks for letting me know. I was trying to figure out an efficient way to upload all of them, but I'll leave it to you if you've done it before. --Arctic.gnome (talk) 18:09, 10 August 2017 (UTC)
Hi, I just added about 100 Alberta provincial historic resource (Q14465918) today. Actually I just ended the letter K on the Alberta Register of Historic Places If you are interressed I just made a query about the historic resources of Alberta who are in Wikidata.
#defaultView:Map
SELECT DISTINCT ?item ?itemLabel ?coord ?image
WHERE { {
    SELECT DISTINCT ?item WHERE {
      ?item wdt:P1435/wdt:P279* wd:Q14465882 .
      ?item p:P1435 ?heritage_statement .
      FILTER NOT EXISTS { ?heritage_statement pq:P582 ?end . }
    } }
        OPTIONAL { ?item wdt:P625 ?coord . }
        OPTIONAL { ?item wdt:P18 ?image . }
  SERVICE wikibase:label { bd:serviceParam wikibase:language "en" . } . 
}
Try it!
And now I have to make de CSV file for the last 134 PHRs. Oh, if you change the OPTIONAL of ?image for a MINUS, you will have a map of all the items without a image. --Fralambert (talk) 03:43, 23 August 2017 (UTC)
  Done The 366 Alberta provincial historic resource (Q14465918) have now a item. :) --Fralambert (talk) 23:06, 3 September 2017 (UTC)
Hi, it's just for say that all the 267 municipal historic resource (Q14475671) of Alberta have now a item. --Fralambert (talk) 03:04, 28 October 2017 (UTC)

@Fralambert: I've been using your search tool, but I was wondering how to make it show me the items in the Canadian Register. I've tried changing the P1435 and Q14465882 to P477 and Q3456275, but that gives me an error. Could you let me know how to fix it? Thanks! Arctic.gnome (talk) 15:20, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

If you want all the heritage properties, you can try this one. I generrally use it for having the heritage properties in a municipality, but it work just fine for a province.
#defaultView:Map
SELECT DISTINCT
  ?item
  ?itemLabel
  ?communeLabel
  ?coords
  ?image
WHERE { {
    SELECT DISTINCT ?item WHERE {
      ?item wdt:P1435/wdt:P279* wd:Q14469659 .
      ?item p:P1435 ?heritage_statement .
      FILTER NOT EXISTS { ?heritage_statement pq:P582 ?end . }
    } }
  ?item wdt:P131/wdt:P131* wd:Q1951 . #For a other place, change Q1951 for a another item.
  ?item wdt:P131 ?commune .
  OPTIONAL { ?item wdt:P625 ?coords . }
  OPTIONAL { ?item wdt:P18 ?image . }
  SERVICE wikibase:label { bd:serviceParam wikibase:language "fr" . }
}
GROUP BY ?item ?itemLabel ?communeLabel ?coords ?image
ORDER BY ?communeLabel ?itemLabel

Try it!

P969Edit

Hi, I am not sure that adding the municipality is a good idea. If I look the infobox in frwiki of Saint-Guillaume Municipal Building (Q27524713), it would like redundant, seem it's already marked the the building is in Saint-Guillaume in Quebec. --Fralambert (talk) 03:45, 3 March 2018 (UTC)

@Fralambert: I was following the instructions on Property:P969. It says to "include building number through to post code". I agree that we need a way to fetch the street address without the municipality, but I don't know what the proper way to do that is. --Arctic.gnome (talk) 21:38, 14 March 2018 (UTC)

Merges and scissionEdit

Hi, I just wan to ask you two question about historic ressources in Alberta. Should I merge Currie Barracks (Q37777711) and CFB Calgary (Q5010454). The first one seem to have lost is designation since it was scinded in eight different provincial historic ressources. My other question is if I should split Dunvegan Provincial Park (Q3364723), The provincial historic site seem to be outside of the provincial park limit. --Fralambert (talk) 15:47, 10 November 2018 (UTC)

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