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Sandrart.net person ID
personal Identification number in Research Platform for Art and Cultural History of the 17th Century (Sandrart.net)

Description	identifier in the web-based edition of Joachim von Sandrart’s "Teutscher Academie der Edlen Bau, Bild- und Mahlerey-Künste" (1675–80), cf. also [1]
Associated item	Sandrart.net (Q17298559)
Data type	External identifier
Domain	person (Q215627), character that may or may not be fictional (Q21070598), abstract being (Q15619164), group of humans (Q16334295), group of fictional characters (Q14514600), epithet (Q207869), animal (Q729), mythical entity (Q24334685), fictional character (Q95074) or fictional human formerly considered to be historical (Q64520857)
Allowed values	([1-9]\d{0,2}|[1-5]\d{3})
Example	Alfonso V of Aragon (Q312304) → 1206 (RDF) Galileo Galilei (Q307) → 5487 (RDF)
Formatter URL	http://ta.sandrart.net/en/person/view/$1
Robot and gadget jobs	move the identifiers from "catalog code"
Tracking: usage	Category:Pages using Wikidata property P1422 (Q45313576)
See also	Sandrart.net artwork ID (P4380)
Lists	Items with the most statements of this property Count of items by number of statements (chart) Items with the most statements Items with the fewest statements Count of items by number of sitelinks (chart) Items with the most sitelinks Items with the most sitelinks, but no link to one Wikipedia (sample: Welsh Wikipedia, cywiki) Items with the fewest sitelinks Most linked wikis Items with the most identifier properties Items with no other external identifier Items with no other statements Most recently created items Items with novalue claims Items with unknown value claims Usage history (total) Usage history (main statement) Chart by item creation date Map of people by place values: place of birth educated at work location residence place of death place of burial January 1st dates People with date of birth on January 1 People with date of death on January 1 People with both dates on January 1 Mix'n'match (Report) Database reports/Humans with missing claims/P1422 Database reports/Constraint violations/P1422 Map Random list
Proposal discussion	Proposal discussion
Current uses	Total 5,124 Main statement 5,025 out of 5,163 (97% complete) 98.1% of uses Qualifier 2 <0.1% of uses Reference 97 1.9% of uses
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Format “([1-9]\d{0,2}|[1-5]\d{3})”: value must be formatted using this pattern (PCRE syntax). (Help)

List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P1422#Format, hourly updated report, SPARQL

Single value: this property generally contains a single value. (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303). Known exceptions: Meliboea (Q1539124), the Three Marys (Q3254109), Thamyris (Q853014), Hugh, Margrave of Tuscany (Q59588), Julia Minor (Q241143), Pharnaces II of Pontus (Q313052), Caranus of Macedon (Q313910), Gnaeus Domitius Ahenobarbus (Q445752), Regina Heintz (Q21806459), Rogier van der Weyden (Q68631), Phobetor (Q1133738)
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P1422#Single value, SPARQL

Distinct values: this property likely contains a value that is different from all other items. (Help)

List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P1422#Unique value, hourly updated report, SPARQL (every item), SPARQL (by value)

Type “person (Q215627), character that may or may not be fictional (Q21070598), abstract being (Q15619164), group of humans (Q16334295), group of fictional characters (Q14514600), epithet (Q207869), animal (Q729), mythical entity (Q24334685), fictional character (Q95074), fictional human formerly considered to be historical (Q64520857)”: item must contain property “instance of (P31), subclass of (P279)” with classes “person (Q215627), character that may or may not be fictional (Q21070598), abstract being (Q15619164), group of humans (Q16334295), group of fictional characters (Q14514600), epithet (Q207869), animal (Q729), mythical entity (Q24334685), fictional character (Q95074), fictional human formerly considered to be historical (Q64520857)” or their subclasses (defined using subclass of (P279)). (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303). Known exceptions: African Sacred Ibis (Q208763), Demosthenes (Q401206), Saint Catherine (Q1296521), Sanctus Ioannes (Q924932), Cocytus (Q939218), Aquarius (Q10576), Pasquino (Q958448), Stephanusa (Q19610051), Pseliumene (Q47492509)
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P1422#Type Q215627, Q21070598, Q15619164, Q16334295, Q14514600, Q207869, Q729, Q24334685, Q95074, Q64520857, SPARQL

Conflicts with “instance of (P31): Wikimedia disambiguation page (Q4167410), Wikimedia category (Q4167836)”: this property must not be used with the listed properties and values. (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303). Known exceptions: Demosthenes (Q401206), Saint Catherine (Q1296521), Scylla (Q255329), Sanctus Ioannes (Q924932)
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P1422#Conflicts with P31, SPARQL

Allowed entity types are Wikibase item (Q29934200): the property may only be used on a certain entity type (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P1422#Entity types

Error reports

Error reports

Contact:

E-mail: auskunft@hab.de (See [2])

Languages: German (Q188), perhaps more

Ideally this information should be moved to the item for the reference and be transcluded from there.

Reports:

Error type	Item(s) affected	Description/Duplicates	Exception	Reported	Resolved (also unpublished)	Resolved and published	Wikidata updated
duplicate	Hugh, Margrave of Tuscany (Q59588)	http://ta.sandrart.net/en/person/view/4688, http://ta.sandrart.net/en/person/view/4978	Yes	2017-05-27T15:50 UTC
duplicate	Thamyris (Q853014)	http://ta.sandrart.net/en/person/view/3333, http://ta.sandrart.net/en/person/view/4441	Yes	2017-05-27T15:50 UTC
other	Pasquino (Q958448)	Deutsch: In der Datenbank Sandrart.net ist im Eintrag "Pasquino" (http://ta.sandrart.net/-person-1110) als Referenzdatenbank-Ressource der Eintrag "100167993" (http://d-nb.info/gnd/100167993) in der PND angegeben. Dieser bezieht sich jedoch offenbar nicht auf die Statue in Rom – wie der Sandrart.net-Eintrag –, sondern auf den Dichter Annibale Caro. Der Link sollte vielleicht entfernt werden.	n/a	2017-05-26T15:47 UTC
duplicate	Julia Minor (Q241143)	http://ta.sandrart.net/en/person/view/1822, http://ta.sandrart.net/en/person/view/4334	Yes
other	Julia Minor (Q241143)	Deutsch: Der Text der Basisdaten für „Iulia (Großmutter des Augustus)“ (http://ta.sandrart.net/en/person/view/1822) lautet „Jüngere Schwester Caesars und Tochter der Atia, gest. 51 v. Chr.; vgl. Neue Pauly, Bd. VI, Sp. 1.“. Statt „Tochter der Atia“ sollte es wahrscheinlich „Mutter der Atia“ heißen.	n/a
duplicate	Pharnaces II of Pontus (Q313052)	http://ta.sandrart.net/en/person/view/252, http://ta.sandrart.net/en/person/view/4827	Yes
duplicate	Caranus of Macedon (Q313910)	http://ta.sandrart.net/en/person/view/1956, http://ta.sandrart.net/en/person/view/5213	Yes
duplicate	Gnaeus Domitius Ahenobarbus (Q445752)	http://ta.sandrart.net/en/person/view/4739, http://ta.sandrart.net/en/person/view/4740	Yes
other	Suidas (Q32855925) , Suidas (Q1534037)	Deutsch: Der Großteil – wenn nicht gar alle – Einträge unter „Vorkommen im Text“ auf http://ta.sandrart.net/de/person/view/1887 beziehen sich wohl nicht auf den Verfasser einer Lokalchronik von Thessalien Suidas (http://d-nb.info/gnd/100563465, https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q32855925) sondern auf den Lexikographen Suidas (http://d-nb.info/gnd/115232710, https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q1534037).	n/a
other	Faustus (Q32859654)	Deutsch: Ianus’ Bruder Faustus sollte wie die anderen beiden Brüder Hymnos (http://ta.sandrart.net/de/person/view/3877) und Felix (http://ta.sandrart.net/de/person/view/3878) auch einen eigenen Eintrag haben und nicht bloß wie aktuell unter dem Sammeleintrag „Unidentifizierte Person“ (http://ta.sandrart.net/de/person/view/5632) erscheinen.	n/a
other	Johann Jakob Fugger (Q1658269)	Deutsch: Hans Jakob Fugger (http://ta.sandrart.net/de/person/view/4184) scheint vielmehr, auch nach der NDB in München gestorben zu sein.	n/a
other	Heinrich Holzhalb (Q34343539)	Deutsch: Für Henricus Holzhabius (http://ta.sandrart.net/de/person/view/4411) scheinen sich die Einträge von PND und VIAF auf eine andere Person zu beziehen, der VIAF-Eintrag wurde zudem zurückgezogen.	n/a
duplicate	Regina Heintz (Q21806459)	http://ta.sandrart.net/-person-4718, http://ta.sandrart.net/-person-5417	Yes

Allow instance of (P31) OR subclass of (P279) of abstract being (Q15619164)

There are some examples where the Sandrart.net record is about a group of persons which is represented on Wikidata as a class rather than a group with subclass of (P279) and no instance of (P31) statement. The type constraint should probably allow instance of (P31) OR subclass of (P279) of abstract being (Q15619164). Template:Constraint:Type does not support this though, cf. here. --Marsupium (talk) 16:11, 26 May 2017 (UTC)
I propose to create a new Template:Complex constraint and remove the Template:Constraint:Type once the violation count there consists mainly of false positives. --Marsupium (talk) 17:36, 26 May 2017 (UTC)

Disambiguation records?

Should we change the Template:Constraint:Type to allow the use of the property on instances of Wikimedia disambiguation page (Q4167410) for those Sandrart.net records that are itself kind of disambiguation records or consider those records as "not applicable to Wikidata"? They can fit together, though checking and maintaining that is not trivial probably. The two cases currently on Wikidata are Demosthenes (Q401206)Sandrart.net person ID (P1422)4586 and Saint Catherine (Q1296521)Sandrart.net person ID (P1422)4317, under the entries that are "not applicable to Wikidata" on Mix'n'match there is at least Johannes, Heiliger that I put there and I recall that there were some similar cases with "Please note: This entry comprises several possible identifications of a person whose precise identity cannot be ascertained on this occasion." on the Sandrart.net record page. --Marsupium (talk) 16:31, 26 May 2017 (UTC)

•  Done for me. I think it is a good way just to add the few examples as exceptions as Laddo did. --Marsupium (talk) 17:36, 26 May 2017 (UTC)

Cf. also Wikidata:WikiProject Authority control#Match Persons not Disambiguation Pages. --Marsupium (talk) 13:01, 30 May 2017 (UTC)

• IMHO disambiguation records are not useful, for the reasons given above "Match Persons not Disambiguation Pages". Each source will have its own disambiguations that help users navigating that source, so linking disambiguations across sources is not useful. Can someone argue otherwise? --Vladimir Alexiev (talk) 09:54, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

• Thank you for your comment! Actually I later became somewhat dubious about the applicability of disambiguation records, so I can change my mind and agree that they should be banned. If that can be found to be common sense a future to-do for me or anyone else:

• A general advice on that would be great (also as a reference to inform others when eventually reverting their edits). WD:WikiProject Authority control#Match Persons not Disambiguation Pages treats a similar problem, perhaps that could be added there then.
• The constraints here should be adapted.
• The concerned records here should be removed from the disambiguation page items and marked as n/a in Mix'n'match.

Thanks again, --Marsupium (talk) 20:07, 11 June 2017 (UTC)

• On the other hand actually "Each source will have its own disambiguations that help users navigating that source" applies to different Wikimedia projects/Wikipedia language versions, too. ("The item should only contain links to Wikipedia disambiguation pages with the exact same spelling" (WD:DAB guideline) is not enforced and I doubt it will.) --Marsupium (talk) 11:09, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

Wikidata:Property proposal/Sandrart.net artwork ID

FYI. --Marsupium (talk) 10:00, 5 October 2017 (UTC)