Property talk:P190
Latest comment: 2 years ago by Syced in topic country (P17) should be mandatory, etc.
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twinned administrative body
twin towns, sister cities, twinned municipalities and other localities that have a partnership or cooperative agreement, either legally or informally acknowledged by their governments
twin towns, sister cities, twinned municipalities and other localities that have a partnership or cooperative agreement, either legally or informally acknowledged by their governments
| Description | twin towns or sister cities - twin town (Q184711) | ||||||||||||
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| Represents | twin town (Q184711) | ||||||||||||
| Data type | Item | ||||||||||||
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| Domain | According to this template:
places: towns/cities/municipalities - administrative territorial entity (Q56061)
According to statements in the property:
When possible, data should only be stored as statementsadministrative territorial entity (Q56061), city (Q515), city or town (Q7930989), neighborhood (Q123705), human settlement (Q486972), railway station (Q55488), school (Q3914) or monument (Q4989906) | ||||||||||||
| Allowed values | administrative territorial entity (Q56061) (note: this should be moved to the property statements) | ||||||||||||
| Example | Samara (Q894) → Stara Zagora (Q170415) Salzburg (Q34713) → León (Q208151) | ||||||||||||
| Source | w:Twin towns and sister cities
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| Tracking: usage | Category:Pages using Wikidata property P190 (Q23909119) | ||||||||||||
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| Proposal discussion | Proposal discussion | ||||||||||||
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Type “administrative territorial entity (Q56061), city (Q515), city or town (Q7930989), neighborhood (Q123705), human settlement (Q486972), railway station (Q55488), school (Q3914), monument (Q4989906)”: item must contain property “instance of (P31)” with classes “administrative territorial entity (Q56061), city (Q515), city or town (Q7930989), neighborhood (Q123705), human settlement (Q486972), railway station (Q55488), school (Q3914), monument (Q4989906)” or their subclasses (defined using subclass of (P279)). (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303). Known exceptions: passage Pommeraye (Q8326)List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P190#Type Q56061, Q515, Q7930989, Q123705, Q486972, Q55488, Q3914, Q4989906, SPARQL
Value type “administrative territorial entity (Q56061), city (Q515), city or town (Q7930989), neighborhood (Q123705), human settlement (Q486972), railway station (Q55488), school (Q3914), monument (Q4989906)”: This property should use items as value that contain property “instance of (P31)”. On these, the value for instance of (P31) should be an item that uses subclass of (P279) with value administrative territorial entity (Q56061), city (Q515), city or town (Q7930989), neighborhood (Q123705), human settlement (Q486972), railway station (Q55488), school (Q3914), monument (Q4989906) (or a subclass thereof). (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303). Known exceptions: Cap-Rouge (Q2936966), passage Pommeraye (Q8326)List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P190#Value type Q56061, Q515, Q7930989, Q123705, Q486972, Q55488, Q3914, Q4989906, SPARQL
Symmetric property: if [item A] has this property linked to [item B], then [item B] should also have this property linked to [item A]. (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303). List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P190#Symmetric, SPARQL
Qualifiers “start time (P580), end time (P582), statement is subject of (P805), image (P18), Commons category (P373), reason for deprecated rank (P2241), reason for preferred rank (P7452), latest start date (P8555), earliest date (P1319), earliest end date (P8554), latest date (P1326), location (P276)”: this property should be used only with the listed qualifiers. (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303). List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P190#allowed qualifiers, SPARQL
Allowed entity types are Wikibase item (Q29934200): the property may only be used on a certain entity type (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303). List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P190#Entity types
Scope is as main value (Q54828448): the property must be used by specified way only (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303). List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P190#Scope, SPARQL
Contemporaries:
if [item A] has this property (P190) linked to [item B],
then [item A] and [item B] have to coincide or coexist at some point of history.
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303). if [item A] has this property (P190) linked to [item B],
then [item A] and [item B] have to coincide or coexist at some point of history.
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P190#Contemporary, SPARQL
Don't add without sources edit
This is one of the properties, to which must be added the sources. --Stryn (talk) 20:20, 29 March 2013 (UTC)
312 cities => 1073 symmetry violations edit
LOL .. seems to need lots of bots. -- Docu at 18:37, 20 May 2013 (UTC)
Rename the label to ??? edit
I think we should rename the label (and description) to something other, so it includes also smaller places like municipality. --Nightwish62 (talk) 20:53, 30 May 2013 (UTC)
- Good question. On the other hand, we can also leave it to Wikipedia to selected a label that works depending on the item.
- BTW there is now also a property called "twinning". -- Docu at 21:01, 30 May 2013 (UTC)
- Yeah, but I don't feel comfortable when I'm editing this property, because as long as the description only says 'towns and cities', someone could delete municipalities. That's what I fear! --Nightwish62 (talk) 20:22, 1 June 2013 (UTC)
- That can always happen. Anyways, I expanded the description. -- Docu at 19:01, 3 June 2013 (UTC)
- Having only synonyms as a description, rather than a full sentence or two is not wise and adds to more confusion. I have expanded the English description a bit more. The actual Wikpedia page that this property idea is representing is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twin_towns_and_sister_cities and takes 4 clicks to get there from the Property page! This must be improved! Can WP links be used in a Property Description ? Thadguidry (talk) 21:00, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
- Yeah, but I don't feel comfortable when I'm editing this property, because as long as the description only says 'towns and cities', someone could delete municipalities. That's what I fear! --Nightwish62 (talk) 20:22, 1 June 2013 (UTC)
@Nightwish62, @Docu Hi! I edited some hundred of items. twin place was the best general / common name I could find. Regards gangLeri לערי ריינהארט (talk) 13:24, 7 June 2014 (UTC)
consistency check edit
I added this property to my User:JonnyJD/consistency_check.js (symmetry). --JonnyJD (talk) 23:52, 17 November 2013 (UTC)
Partnerships with provinces edit
also belong here (?), see de:Landkreis Rastatt#Kreispartnerschaften with Province Pesaro and Urbino--Oursana (talk) 00:51, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
country (P17) should be mandatory, etc. edit
Hi! There are some issues:
- http://tools.wmflabs.org/wikidata-todo/autolist.html?q=claim[190] AND noclaim[17] shows 30 items. They need to be fixed.
- http://tools.wmflabs.org/wikidata-todo/autolist.html?q=claim[190] AND claim[107] a reminder link to remove/delete P107 (P107).
Regards gangLeri לערי ריינהארט (talk) 11:46, 17 June 2014 (UTC)
- Thanks for noticing! The links are broken, is there a new tool? Syced (talk) 12:41, 15 December 2021 (UTC)
"Twin city" is confusing edit
Maybe I should have looked here before changing this, but let me note that "twin city" is a really confusing name. Here in the U.S., it usually refers to two cities that are adjacent to each other, like Minneapolis and Saint Paul, where I come from. So I thought there was some large city I never heard of in Brazil called "Budapest"… At least maybe use "twinned city"/"twinned town". Innotata (talk) 18:33, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
Asymmetric and unclear statuses edit
It seems, that there are some grades of twinning. Paris (Q90) only twinned city is Rome (Q220), but there are some official friendships of Paris to other cities. Berlin (Q64) lists Paris as its Partnerstadt (twin town (Q184711)). I guess, this property needs a very clear definition and guidelines. Maybe there should be properties like
- B sees A as its „sister city“
- A sees C as its „Partnerstadt“
- C have signed a pact of friendship and cooperation with A, B, D
Sometimes twinning is falling asleep. One of both had forgotten its sister, but the sister lists proudly the bad sister furthermore. But who of them are right? --Diwas (talk) 22:52, 23 January 2015 (UTC)
- Good point. I just saw that Istanbul distinguished "sister cities" and "cities with whom it has signed a cooperation treaty" [1]. However, Wikidata and Wikipedia seem be treating all of the cities listed there as "sister cities". It also seems clear that the exact content of such treaties will change over time and will possibly use different terms in different languages. Therefore it is natural that the status must be asymmetric. Suggestions:
- relax the notion of sister city to be maximally inclusive (I don't see hope to come up with a narrow definition)
- embrace asymmetry: each city should list only the sisters for which it provides own references (such as a list of sister cities on its homepage)
- use qualifiers to clarify different statuses of sister city if needed
- Regards, Markus Krötzsch (talk) 08:46, 8 June 2015 (UTC)
- I agree with MK here, that it'd be a good idea to use qualifiers for different statuses of sister city. I found the Macao government has similar distinctions. [2] It has a sister city relationship with six cities, signed a "friendship agreement" with a further two, and formed a "cultural memorandum of understanding" with another city.
- I don't know if the other terms (friendship agreement and cultural memorandum of understanding) are standard official terms. Perhaps "cooperation treaty" is the same as "friendship agreement"? I also got the impression from the webpage that "cultural memorandum of understanding" is more casual/informal, or a more mild connection, than a full sister city relationship. Macau's government does at least detail all types on a single page, so the different types are related. –84.92.129.87 14:24, 2 September 2015 (UTC)
Using Wikidata's twinning data to populate the Wikipedias edit
Is there any past or ongoing project or tool to more easily maintain lists such as https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taichung#International_relations?
- Any language Wikipedia is fine.
- Ideally fully dynamic, so that any Wikidata modification impacts Wikipedia immediately.
Thanks! Syced (talk) 12:40, 15 December 2021 (UTC)