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coach of sports team
sports club or team for which this person is or was on-field manager or coach

Represents	sports team (Q12973014)
Data type	Item
Domain	human (Q5) or fictional character (Q95074)
Example	Ralf Loose (Q257330) → FC Winterthur (Q201969) Christian Prokop (Q1081471) → Germany men's national handball team (Q161047) Jeff Blashill (Q6173366) → United States men's national ice hockey team (Q913651)
See also	member of sports team (P54)
Lists	Items with the most statements of this property Count of items by number of statements (chart) Items with the most statements Items with the fewest statements Count of items by number of sitelinks (chart) Items with the most sitelinks Items with the most sitelinks, but no link to one Wikipedia (sample: Welsh Wikipedia, cywiki) Items with the fewest sitelinks Most linked wikis Items with the most identifier properties By value of property Most statements Fewest statements Most sitelinks Most linked wikis Total of sitelinks on items Most identifiers Fewest identifiers Items with no other statements Most recently created items Items with novalue claims Items with unknown value claims Usage history (total) Usage history (main statement) Chart by item creation date Map of people by place values: place of birth educated at work location residence place of death place of burial January 1st dates People with date of birth on January 1 People with date of death on January 1 People with both dates on January 1 Database reports/Constraint violations/P6087 Map Random list
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Current uses	Total 16,991 Main statement 16,032 94.4% of uses Qualifier 956 5.6% of uses Reference 3 <0.1% of uses
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Type “human (Q5), fictional character (Q95074)”: item must contain property “instance of (P31)” with classes “human (Q5), fictional character (Q95074)” or their subclasses (defined using subclass of (P279)). (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P6087#Type Q5, Q95074, SPARQL

Value type “sports organization (Q4438121), fictional sports club (Q98767736)”: This property should use items as value that contain property “instance of (P31)”. On these, the value for instance of (P31) should be an item that uses subclass of (P279) with value sports organization (Q4438121), fictional sports club (Q98767736) (or a subclass thereof). (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P6087#Value type Q4438121, Q98767736, SPARQL

Qualifiers “start time (P580), end time (P582), point in time (P585), valid in period (P1264), end cause (P1534), replaces (P1365), replaced by (P1366), subject has role (P2868), together with (P1706), number of matches played/races/starts (P1350), competition class (P2094), sport (P641), reason for deprecated rank (P2241), reason for preferred rank (P7452), earliest date (P1319), earliest end date (P8554), latest start date (P8555), latest date (P1326), position held (P39), departure transaction (P1643), acquisition transaction (P1642), league (P118)”: this property should be used only with the listed qualifiers. (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P6087#allowed qualifiers, SPARQL

Scope is as main value (Q54828448): the property must be used by specified way only (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P6087#Scope, SPARQL

Allowed entity types are Wikibase item (Q29934200): the property may only be used on a certain entity type (Help)

Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist. Exceptions can be specified using exception to constraint (P2303).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P6087#Entity types

This property is being used by: ro:Format:Echipă actuală antrenată ca:Plantilla:Infotaula esportista, ca:Plantilla:Infotaula persona, ca:Plantilla:Infotaula persona/proves ml:ഫലകം:Infotaula persona nl:Sjabloon:Infobox persoon Wikidata vec:Modeło:Infobox de Personajo, vec:Modeło:Infobox de Personajo3, vec:Modeło:Infobox de Personajo/monta ga:Teimpléad:WD Bosca Sonraí Duine tmp oc:Modèl:Infotaula persona be-tarask:Шаблён:Вікізьвесткі/p6087 gl:Modelo:Infobox person id:Templat:Infobox orang Please notify projects that use this property before big changes (renaming, deletion, merge with another property, etc.)

Qualifiers

Hi. Good initiative. Until now, I was using P54 + position played on team / speciality (P413) = coach (Q41583) or similars. However, now it's simple to handle this sport role. The creation proposal doesn't talk about qualifiers allowed. Based on present use (https://w.wiki/Cap), I propose to define a list in order to implement the following constraints:

• start time (P580), end time (P582); NO point in time (P585), nowadays there are 2 items
• replaces (P1365), replaced by (P1366); NO follows (P155), followed by (P156), because are for series, nowadays we've 18
• subject has role (P2868), for specific rols, as assistant coach (Q11703711), goalkeeper coach (Q2445218), etc.; NO position held (P39), because is intended for positions, not for jobs, and it is primary property, not qualifier. NO object has role (P3831), because it's most oriented to a substitutive or circumstancial role, as acting, for instance.
• Others, now with few use: number of matches played/races/starts (P1350), together with (P1706)
• Acceptable, for exceptional situations, competition class (P2094), sport (P641)

In addition: I created all the coach of sports team (P6087) statements for those item with P54 + position played on team / speciality (P413) = coach (Q41583). Now this statements are redundant with esmented P54, because I do not delete just in case some users were still getting information from old ontology, but it should be delete in a few time. @ديفيد عادل وهبة خليل 2, Fundriver, MisterSynergy, Pintoch:, thanks for your comments. Amadalvarez (talk) 23:47, 23 November 2019 (UTC)

• Nothing to comment, plan sounds good! You should implement this as an allowed qualifiers constraint (Q21510851). —MisterSynergy (talk) 00:05, 24 November 2019 (UTC)

Hey User:Amadalvarez, thanks for your initiative and the implementation of trainers that were under member of sports team (P54) so far. A few comments from my side:

• The point in time (P585) is used in a different attitude in the german Wikidata-module. There this property wants to give back the last update of an entry and also applys to entries in member of sports team (P54). Even tho, it isnt really much in use and i'm not sure, if this is the best kind of use.
• For the others i'm totally okay with, including that we shouldn't using position held (P39) - which I did so far because I had no better idea. I will change this in the german Wikidata-module than, too - please notify me as soon you changed it.
• valid in period (P1264) should be also acceptable for exceptional situations, since sometimes you just know the season but not the exact dates in the season from your sources.

Best regards, Fundriver (talk) 12:34, 24 November 2019 (UTC)

@Fundriver:. No problem to include P585 and P1264. Regarding P39, take your time. I will not delete any present extra qualifiers, even some others really funny qualifiers that I didn't mention. I just wanted to define for the future and let documented here, in property page. So, as soon as you change your de:module, you can move statements. If you need some help, just ping me. Amadalvarez (talk) 17:01, 24 November 2019 (UTC)