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Q55638328: no description: (delete | history | links | entity usage | logs)
Empty item Esteban16 (talk) 01:07, 22 July 2018 (UTC)
Q55638316: no description: (delete | history | links | entity usage | logs)
Empty item Esteban16 (talk) 01:07, 22 July 2018 (UTC)
Q55709782: no description: (delete | history | links | entity usage | logs)
Does not meet the notability policy. Lakokat 03:06, 22 July 2018 (UTC)
Q55700838: no description: (delete | history | links | entity usage | logs)
Does not meet the notability policy. Lakokat 03:07, 22 July 2018 (UTC)
Q55260986: no description: (delete | history | links | entity usage | logs)
Not notable, (sock edits) --— Bukhari (Talk!) 03:31, 22 July 2018 (UTC)
- On hold This item is linked from 6 others. --DeltaBot (talk) 03:40, 22 July 2018 (UTC)
- Deleted by HakanIST (talk • contribs • logs) --DeltaBot (talk) 06:00, 22 July 2018 (UTC)
Terry Ananny (Q27576859): Canadian artist: (delete | history | links | entity usage | logs | discussion)
Specifically because of Wikipedia:Long-term_abuse/Ananny. --Jay D'Easy (talk) 19:50, 20 July 2018 (UTC)
- Already kept two times: Wikidata:Requests_for_deletions/Archive/2018/05/08#Q27576859. Created by LTA is itself not a reason.--GZWDer (talk) 19:43, 21 July 2018 (UTC)
- Not done then.-- Hakan·IST 06:02, 22 July 2018 (UTC)
Q55663966: no description: (delete | history | links | entity usage | logs)
Duplicate of Q25527702. --Виталий Болбас (talk) 13:10, 21 July 2018 (UTC)
- Done Redirect created by Rachmat04, you can do it yourself next time. --DeltaBot (talk) 06:10, 22 July 2018 (UTC)
Moxie Jillette (Q47528529): child of Penn Jillette: (delete | history | links | entity usage | logs)
Minor daughter of Penn Jillette; not otherwise notabie. --Trivialist (talk) 01:04, 2 February 2018 (UTC)
- On hold This item is linked from 3 others. --DeltaBot (talk) 01:10, 2 February 2018 (UTC)
- To clarify my original statement: "Minor daughter" is meant to mean that she is a minor. Trivialist (talk) 18:43, 3 February 2018 (UTC)
- Keep This item fulfills structural need. Like for all living people I think statements without reliable public sources should be removed. --Pasleim (talk) 18:43, 7 February 2018 (UTC)
- That would leave this an empty item. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:23, 31 March 2018 (UTC)
- Delete I do not think there is a structural need to have this item. The only reference is unsourced wikipedia-like article in http://www.geniimagazine.com/magicpedia/Penn_Jillette . So no references. --Jarekt (talk) 19:59, 8 February 2018 (UTC)
- leaning towards Keep, it fits the conditions of WD:N: point 3 « fulfills some structural need » and point 2 « clearly identifiable conceptual or material entity [...] can be described using serious and publicly available references ». Cdlt, VIGNERON (talk) 13:20, 10 February 2018 (UTC)
- Delete: no serious sources given, biographies of living people should be respected. Sjoerd de Bruin (talk) 16:10, 11 February 2018 (UTC)
- Keep. I agree with the previous "keep" arguments, it's fulfills structural need. Tubezlob (🙋) 14:08, 9 March 2018 (UTC)
- Keep https://blogs.babycenter.com/celebrities/penn-jillette-explains-the-name-moxie-crimefighter/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/magic-baby-moxie-crimefighter/ She's notable in the sense that she's written about in mainstream media. Even if there wouldn't be mainstream media articles on her our bar for notability is much lower and if there are trustworthy source that states that she's really the daughter she's an entity that can be descried with serious sources and such notable according to our sources. ChristianKl ❪✉❫ 14:32, 4 May 2018 (UTC)
- Not done.-- Hakan·IST 06:13, 22 July 2018 (UTC)
Q17018059: no description: (delete | history | links | entity usage | logs)
All the instances of "Bones" as a given name were wrong, since it was always used as a nickname, never as a given name. All items have been corrected and there's no reason to keep this one. Sannita (ICBSA) (talk) 13:22, 15 February 2018 (UTC)
- On hold This item is linked from 1 other. --DeltaBot (talk) 13:30, 15 February 2018 (UTC)
- Comment Sannita (ICBSA) thank you for the cleaning; meanwhile, if this is a nickname, can't it be use with nickname (P1449)? Cdlt, VIGNERON (talk) 07:45, 16 February 2018 (UTC)
- It can be used on Bones Allen (Q4941747).
--- Jura 05:43, 17 February 2018 (UTC)- @Jura1: his given name (P735) is Angus not Bones. Cdlt, VIGNERON (talk) 17:11, 17 February 2018 (UTC)
- I'm aware that the first name isn't his official name.
--- Jura 17:15, 17 February 2018 (UTC)- So you know it's not his first name, and that it's not his given name (P735) and still, you are adding it as given name (P735), and on top of that you're doing it in this discussion that was precisely started to avoid doing this. I fail to see the logic. You're really exhausting me, again I'll leave it to someone else. Cdlt, VIGNERON (talk) 17:53, 17 February 2018 (UTC)
- It seems to be the first name this person generally goes by and it was present on that item before the discussion was started. The use is consistent with that property for other given names.
--- Jura 04:17, 18 February 2018 (UTC)- Do you have any objection to using this with nickname (P1449) as Nicolas suggested? Mahir256 (talk) 04:44, 18 February 2018 (UTC)
- P1449 is a monolingual text-datatype property. Obviously, if one is sure that it was also used as for affection or ridicule [1], the text could add it there too. But this wouldn't be a substitute for the structured way P735 does it.
--- Jura 04:49, 18 February 2018 (UTC)
- P1449 is a monolingual text-datatype property. Obviously, if one is sure that it was also used as for affection or ridicule [1], the text could add it there too. But this wouldn't be a substitute for the structured way P735 does it.
- Do you have any objection to using this with nickname (P1449) as Nicolas suggested? Mahir256 (talk) 04:44, 18 February 2018 (UTC)
- It seems to be the first name this person generally goes by and it was present on that item before the discussion was started. The use is consistent with that property for other given names.
- So you know it's not his first name, and that it's not his given name (P735) and still, you are adding it as given name (P735), and on top of that you're doing it in this discussion that was precisely started to avoid doing this. I fail to see the logic. You're really exhausting me, again I'll leave it to someone else. Cdlt, VIGNERON (talk) 17:53, 17 February 2018 (UTC)
- Delete given name (P735) should not be used for nicknames and thus the only statement where this "given name" is used is wrong. --Pasleim (talk) 19:36, 25 February 2018 (UTC)
- Do you have any reference for this being a nickname for the case where it's being used? No? ok.
--- Jura 11:58, 3 March 2018 (UTC)- There are references for this, e.g. [2]. For more references see Q4941747#P1449 --Pasleim (talk) 21:13, 3 March 2018 (UTC)
- Do you have any reference for this being a nickname for the case where it's being used? No? ok.
Keep.The boundary between a "given name" and a "nickname" is completely arbitrary. Prince Harry, Duke of Sussex (Q152316) is "Henry", known as "Harry". Harry Andrews (Q1340574) is "Harry" without a long form. The general public consider "Harry" the primary given name of both people. There's no reason why "Bones" cannot be considered a "given name" as long as there are people who use it as their names. Deryck Chan (talk) 16:25, 12 March 2018 (UTC)- @Deryck Chan: IMO, the concept of "given name" and "nickname" can be clearly distinguished. The given name of a person is written down in the birth certificate, baptismal certificate or similar document. All names which are not written down in a official document are in my opinion nicknames or artist names. Do you suggest that given name should be the most common name of a person? In the example of Prince Harry, Duke of Sussex (Q152316) would you remove all current given name (P735) statements and add Harry (Q668885) instead? --Pasleim (talk) 02:21, 16 March 2018 (UTC)
- I think there is a difference between names people use and nicknames people use to refer to others. Anything not on a birth certificate is not used for affection or ridicule.
--- Jura 06:03, 16 March 2018 (UTC)- So in your opinion a nickname turns into a given name as soon as the named person starts to use the name themselves? --Pasleim (talk) 23:00, 18 March 2018 (UTC)
- I think there is a difference between names people use and nicknames people use to refer to others. Anything not on a birth certificate is not used for affection or ridicule.
- @Deryck Chan: IMO, the concept of "given name" and "nickname" can be clearly distinguished. The given name of a person is written down in the birth certificate, baptismal certificate or similar document. All names which are not written down in a official document are in my opinion nicknames or artist names. Do you suggest that given name should be the most common name of a person? In the example of Prince Harry, Duke of Sussex (Q152316) would you remove all current given name (P735) statements and add Harry (Q668885) instead? --Pasleim (talk) 02:21, 16 March 2018 (UTC)
- @Pasleim: I'm ambivalent about Prince Harry - as I said before I think the distinction between "given name" and "nickname" is arbitrary. I apologise for choosing a bad example where other editors have decided to use formal, legal names only. But look through our other uses of Harry in the "given name" property, it is obvious that we don't enforce this definition of given name (P735) consistently. Harry Frank (Q88574) adopted "Harry" as an adult, probably as a pseudonym (P742). Harry Schwarz (Q65911) is actually "Heinz" by legal name but adopted "Harry" as his preferred given name, probably never making it legal, as an adult. Harry Warner (Q104161) is born "Hirsz" and took the name "Harry" upon immigration to an English-speaking country.
- The use of birth certificates as the standard also breaks down when we start cataloguing cultures where people have given names in multiple languages and unless their birth certificates have been published by someone else we'll never know what's on the certificate. We don't know whether Andy Lau (Q16766) has "Andy" on his birth certificate (even though given name (P735)Andy (Q13627273) is there). Mandy Tam (Q6748342) has given name (P735)Mandy (Q283277) even though her election candidate listing shows that "Mandy" is a name she uses in daily life but not her legal name (which only lists her romanized Cantonese name "Heung Man").
- I note that we haven't really started using given name (P735) to catalogue East Asian given names yet, except where associated Wikipedia set indices already exist... that is a nightmare waiting to unfold. Deryck Chan (talk) 23:06, 18 March 2018 (UTC)
- In my opinion, in all "Harry" examples we should replace wherever applicable "Harry" by their legal name. It seems that most of the "Harry" statements were added by semi-automatic tools, most likely by just extracting the first word of the Wikipedia article title. For people from East Asia I think they should not at all have P735 statements with a latin-script value. Maybe I have an overly strict view on P735 but it would be good if people who often work with given names could write a small documentation on what counts as a given name. --Pasleim (talk) 14:00, 20 March 2018 (UTC)
- There is a special property for birth names and official names. I think you are confusing these with P735.
--- Jura 14:18, 20 March 2018 (UTC)- No, I'm not confusing it. birth name (P1477) is for the full name of a person at birth, e.g. given name plus family name. official name (P1448) is not for people. But as I said, I would welcome it if for example you as an active member of WikiProject Names could write a documentation about what is meant by a given name in Wikidata. --Pasleim (talk) 14:34, 20 March 2018 (UTC)
- There is a special property for birth names and official names. I think you are confusing these with P735.
- In my opinion, in all "Harry" examples we should replace wherever applicable "Harry" by their legal name. It seems that most of the "Harry" statements were added by semi-automatic tools, most likely by just extracting the first word of the Wikipedia article title. For people from East Asia I think they should not at all have P735 statements with a latin-script value. Maybe I have an overly strict view on P735 but it would be good if people who often work with given names could write a small documentation on what counts as a given name. --Pasleim (talk) 14:00, 20 March 2018 (UTC)
- Withdrawing my keep vote because other editors have found a reasonable way to deprecate this out of use. Deryck Chan (talk) 12:11, 19 March 2018 (UTC)
- Deleted by HakanIST (talk • contribs • logs) --DeltaBot (talk) 06:20, 22 July 2018 (UTC)
Q42079683: no description: (delete | history | links | entity usage | logs)
Bogus item used to store usage instructions Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:06, 2 March 2018 (UTC)
- On hold This item is linked from 5 others. --DeltaBot (talk) 16:10, 2 March 2018 (UTC)
- Keep just restore it at places where it's needed.
--- Jura 04:15, 3 March 2018 (UTC)- It's not needed; and you offer no argument that it is. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:19, 3 March 2018 (UTC)
- It was needed on the items you removed it from. Qualifiers on qualifiers aren't possible. Why did you remove it while the discussion is still ongoing? This isn't helpful.
--- Jura 11:48, 3 March 2018 (UTC)- Please provide diffs showing where you claim I removed it from items while discussion is ongoing. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 22:16, 3 March 2018 (UTC)
- It was needed on the items you removed it from. Qualifiers on qualifiers aren't possible. Why did you remove it while the discussion is still ongoing? This isn't helpful.
- It's not needed; and you offer no argument that it is. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:19, 3 March 2018 (UTC)
- Delete bogus --Pasleim (talk) 18:47, 3 March 2018 (UTC)
- Delete Replace it with mass entering it as Wikidata usage instructions (P2559) value is perfactable, useable, braveable and greatable, good luck, chicken tonight. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 15:00, 5 March 2018 (UTC)
- Comment so the idea is to convert it to Wikidata usage instructions (P2559). Maybe we can a bot maintain that and keep Q42079683 to collect new translations. The bot can then copy them into P2559 to expand every use of the texts. If Q42079683 is edited, the bot could update them. Sounds like something for DeltaBot.
--- Jura 06:05, 16 March 2018 (UTC)- I don't think Wikidata is the right project for storing translations of phrases. It is also against the idea that Wikidata is a secondary database and does not host original research. Concering maintenance by DeltaBot, you can submit a pull request. --Pasleim (talk) 23:07, 18 March 2018 (UTC)
- Properties and their descriptions have to be create to allow Wikidata to fulfill its role as a secondary database and, yes, it is meant to be multilingual. As Deltabot might take time to have this set up, I suppose we need it in the meantime.
--- Jura 13:20, 19 March 2018 (UTC)- I agree we need properties and multilingual descriptions thereof. But this is not a justification that we need to create items to store translations for internal scopes. Translations are stored on translatewiki.net, on subpages created by the translate extension and in various templates. --Pasleim (talk) 14:28, 20 March 2018 (UTC)
- I don't expect you to agree with me. It's just that we are doing it this way.
--- Jura 14:33, 20 March 2018 (UTC)- @Jura1, Pasleim, Pigsonthewing, Deryck Chan: Please, consider submitting messages to translatewiki.net (Q9376349) rather than saving as an item here, since translations in such cases need to be stable. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 03:08, 5 May 2018 (UTC)
- I don't expect you to agree with me. It's just that we are doing it this way.
- I agree we need properties and multilingual descriptions thereof. But this is not a justification that we need to create items to store translations for internal scopes. Translations are stored on translatewiki.net, on subpages created by the translate extension and in various templates. --Pasleim (talk) 14:28, 20 March 2018 (UTC)
- Properties and their descriptions have to be create to allow Wikidata to fulfill its role as a secondary database and, yes, it is meant to be multilingual. As Deltabot might take time to have this set up, I suppose we need it in the meantime.
- I don't think Wikidata is the right project for storing translations of phrases. It is also against the idea that Wikidata is a secondary database and does not host original research. Concering maintenance by DeltaBot, you can submit a pull request. --Pasleim (talk) 23:07, 18 March 2018 (UTC)
Weak support. Find a more elegant way of doing this. Deryck Chan (talk) 11:58, 20 March 2018 (UTC)- Any suggestions? Do you support the P2559 solution as well?
--- Jura 14:33, 20 March 2018 (UTC)- I'm not so sure anymore. Withdrawing my vote. Deryck Chan (talk) 21:47, 5 May 2018 (UTC)
- Any suggestions? Do you support the P2559 solution as well?
Empty items from manual merges to duplicates
Please delete Q29437150, Q21491748, Q21507862, Q12806810, Q4418482, and Q28753048. The are leftover from manual merges to duplicates (for some reason the merge tool didn't work).--PlanespotterA320 (talk) 17:02, 14 July 2018 (UTC)
- Q21491748 shouldn't be deleted at it isn't a disambiguation page like Q1782866 this was merged into. Neither Q21507862, Q12806810, nor Q28753048.
--- Jura 06:03, 16 July 2018 (UTC)
- Done then.-- Hakan·IST 06:28, 22 July 2018 (UTC)
Q4387763: no description: (delete | history | links | entity usage | logs)
Seems to have been split, moved the last sitelink, which was a dab
--- Jura 20:16, 15 July 2018 (UTC)
- On hold This item is linked from 1 other. --DeltaBot (talk) 20:20, 15 July 2018 (UTC)
- Deleted by HakanIST (talk • contribs • logs) --DeltaBot (talk) 06:30, 22 July 2018 (UTC)
Sunday Ngbede (Q55590042): Nigerian association football player: (delete | history | links | entity usage | logs)
Empty David (talk) 14:44, 17 July 2018 (UTC)
- Not done per WD:N #2.-- Hakan·IST 06:30, 22 July 2018 (UTC)
Zolten Penn Jillette (Q47528662): Son of Penn Jillette: (delete | history | links | entity usage | logs)
Minor son of Penn Jillette; not otherwise notable. --Trivialist (talk) 01:04, 2 February 2018 (UTC)
- On hold This item is linked from 3 others. --DeltaBot (talk) 01:10, 2 February 2018 (UTC)
- To clarify my original statement, "Minor son" is meant to mean that he is a minor. Trivialist (talk) 18:44, 3 February 2018 (UTC)
- Question: Is WD policy to avoid having items for under-18 humans who do not otherwise have a public profile? Josh Baumgartner (talk) 22:20, 3 February 2018 (UTC)
- I didn't know if there was a specific WD policy about this; I assumed something like Wikipedia's BLP guidelines would apply, particularly the Presumption in favor of privacy section. Trivialist (talk) 01:56, 4 February 2018 (UTC)
- The most important question is: Is being a child of a notable person without own credits for possible notability make you notable per structural need? Mbch331 (talk) 09:09, 4 February 2018 (UTC)
- I didn't know if there was a specific WD policy about this; I assumed something like Wikipedia's BLP guidelines would apply, particularly the Presumption in favor of privacy section. Trivialist (talk) 01:56, 4 February 2018 (UTC)
- Keep This item fulfills structural need. Like for all living people I think statements without reliable public sources should be removed. --Pasleim (talk) 18:42, 7 February 2018 (UTC)
- Delete as with Moxie Jillette (Q47528529) I do not see structural need for this item. There is no reference showing that the child is notable (in Wikidata or Wikipedia sense of the word). The only reference is a short announcement about date of birth and weight of the newborn. --Jarekt (talk) 20:05, 8 February 2018 (UTC)
- leaning towards Keep, it fits the conditions of WD:N: point 3 « fulfills some structural need » and point 2 « clearly identifiable conceptual or material entity [...] can be described using serious and publicly available references ». Cdlt, VIGNERON (talk) 13:20, 10 February 2018 (UTC)
- Delete: no sources given that confirm notability, biographies of living people should be respected. Sjoerd de Bruin (talk) 16:11, 11 February 2018 (UTC)
- Not done.-- Hakan·IST 06:39, 22 July 2018 (UTC)
Ron Frazier (Q55700634): American actor (1939-2003): (delete | history | links | entity usage | logs)
There is a second one (Q22829139), which is better and which I didn´t know about.--Traitrich (talk) 07:15, 22 July 2018 (UTC)
- Done Redirect created by HakanIST, you can do it yourself next time. --DeltaBot (talk) 08:10, 22 July 2018 (UTC)
Q55712975: no description: (delete | history | links | entity usage | logs)
Empty Jc86035 (talk) 12:21, 22 July 2018 (UTC)
Q55712906: no description: (delete | history | links | entity usage | logs)
Appears to be a fairly incoherent duplicate of Udemy (Q7877165). Jc86035 (talk) 12:26, 22 July 2018 (UTC)
Q55712982: no description: (delete | history | links | entity usage | logs)
Empty Jc86035 (talk) 12:32, 22 July 2018 (UTC)
Q55713217: no description: (delete | history | links | entity usage | logs)
Ditto Jc86035 (talk) 14:29, 22 July 2018 (UTC)
Q55713214: no description: (delete | history | links | entity usage | logs)
Empty Jc86035 (talk) 14:30, 22 July 2018 (UTC)
Q55713981: no description: (delete | history | links | entity usage | logs)
Author request, similar as Q49037291 --Christian Ferrer (talk) 17:23, 22 July 2018 (UTC)
Q55713402: no description: (delete | history | links | entity usage | logs)
Q55712026: no description: (delete | history | links | entity usage | logs)
Non-notable item Esteban16 (talk) 15:58, 22 July 2018 (UTC)
Q55709753: no description: (delete | history | links | entity usage | logs)
Test page Esteban16 (talk) 16:00, 22 July 2018 (UTC)
Q55692793: no description: (delete | history | links | entity usage | logs)
Q55713213: no description: (delete | history | links | entity usage | logs)
Empty. Might pass notability policy but currently useless with no statements or sitelinks. Jc86035 (talk) 14:31, 22 July 2018 (UTC)
Q55713207: no description: (delete | history | links | entity usage | logs)
Ditto Jc86035 (talk) 14:32, 22 July 2018 (UTC)
Q55713191: no description: (delete | history | links | entity usage | logs)
Empty except for English label Jc86035 (talk) 14:34, 22 July 2018 (UTC)
Q55713188: no description: (delete | history | links | entity usage | logs)
Ditto Jc86035 (talk) 14:35, 22 July 2018 (UTC)
Q55713178: no description: (delete | history | links | entity usage | logs)
No sitelinks and no identifiers; Quora topic ID is a redirect Jc86035 (talk) 14:37, 22 July 2018 (UTC)
Q55713175: no description: (delete | history | links | entity usage | logs)
Empty except for English label. Jc86035 (talk) 14:37, 22 July 2018 (UTC)
Q55713173: no description: (delete | history | links | entity usage | logs)
Empty except for English label, which is somehow spelled incorrectly (search only results in "Simbus" and not "Sibmus"). Jc86035 (talk) 14:40, 22 July 2018 (UTC)
convulsion (Q55713237): medical condition where body muscles contract and relax rapidly and repeatedly: (delete | history | links | entity usage | logs)
Probably a duplicate Jc86035 (talk) 14:29, 22 July 2018 (UTC)
- Done Redirect created by Bovlb, you can do it yourself next time. --DeltaBot (talk) 18:40, 22 July 2018 (UTC)
Q55178732: no description: (delete | history | links | entity usage | logs)
Real property with unclear label and no location, URL when it should be described doesn't work. Jaqen (talk) 10:06, 22 July 2018 (UTC)
- Sure, we can delete it! --AlessioMela (talk) 10:09, 22 July 2018 (UTC)
- Deleted by Pasleim (talk • contribs • logs) --DeltaBot (talk) 21:40, 22 July 2018 (UTC)
Q55669274: no description: (delete | history | links | entity usage | logs)
Beglezh (Q21784913): village in Pleven municipality, Pleven oblast, Bulgaria: (delete | history | links | entity usage | logs)
Merge with Q2414092 and then delete. --94.34.132.111 19:06, 22 July 2018 (UTC)
- Done Redirect created by Pasleim, you can do it yourself next time. --DeltaBot (talk) 21:40, 22 July 2018 (UTC)
Balto III: Wings of Change (Q55714182): 2004 film by Phil Weinstein: (delete | history | links | entity usage | logs)
Megre with Q1742152 Fiver, der Hellseher (talk) 20:16, 22 July 2018 (UTC)
- Done Redirect created by Pasleim, you can do it yourself next time. --DeltaBot (talk) 21:40, 22 July 2018 (UTC)
KR Motors (Q55523855): company based in South Korea: (delete | history | links | entity usage | logs)
Dunno why it existed in the forst place, must have been some glitch --Grüße vom Sänger ♫ (talk) 20:36, 22 July 2018 (UTC)
- Done Redirect created by Pasleim, you can do it yourself next time. --DeltaBot (talk) 21:40, 22 July 2018 (UTC)
- Why a redirect? It's just utter nonsense, without rhyme or reason. Grüße vom Sänger ♫ (talk) 21:42, 22 July 2018 (UTC)