User talk:Jon Harald Søby/Archive/1

Welcome

Velkommen til Wikidata, Jon Harald Søby!

Wikidata er en fri kunnskapsdatabase som du kan redigere! Den kan leses og redigeres av mennesker såvel som maskiner, og du kan gå til ethvert datasett og tilføre mer data til denne stadig voksende databasen!

Trenger du hjelp for å komme i gang? Her er noen sider du kan gjøre deg kjent med:

• Wikidata:About – Kort beskrivelse av prosjektet.
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• Help:Contents – Oversikt over hjelpesider.
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• Wikidata:Project chat – Wikidata-diskusjoner på engelsk.
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Hvis du har spørsmål, spør meg gjerne på min brukerdiskusjonsside. Hvis du vil gjøre testredigeringer, kan du gjøre det i sandkassen. Igjen, velkommen til prosjektet, og jeg håper du vil føle deg hjemme her.

Vennlig hilsen, Danmichaelo (talk) 15:42, 25 November 2012 (UTC)

Numbering translation messages

Hello Jon Harald Søby. Please do not change the order of translation messages. You did it and suddenly there are the same messages twice - as translated and as untranslated. Please change the message name (entity) if you want to add translation messages and do not change the order number. In one go you ruin the translation of all finished language versions. See Wikidata:Glossary - Änderungen (in German!) and Changes to the translatable sections' numbering. Please revert the changes. Regards, --Michawiki (talk) 21:39, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

Believe me, I am well aware of this. I am trying to fix this edit. The problem is that the time that passed between that change and now is a couple of weeks, so a lot of translations have come in in the meantime. However, there were more translations posted before that change was made, so I *think* that the revert that I did will be the easier way of fixing it. Anyways, I am working on it now, but it takes some time, since I have to manually check every language that has translations. Just bear with me for a few hours. :-) Jon Harald Søby (talk) 21:44, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

The time between the change and now is a couple of weeks? No, you changed the English version today and FuzzyBot made the changes for other languages. FuzzyBot is a stupid computer program so be careful! You will surely understand that translators don't want to do the same work twice. Regards, --Michawiki (talk) 21:57, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

The time between the change I linked (2 January) and today is a couple of weeks (well, 12 days). There were some translations made between 2 January and today, but many more were made before 2 January. Therefore the solution involving the least amount of work is the one I have chosen.

The problems I have introduced now are only for some languages; all the other languages had problems before I did this, and that's what I'm trying to fix. But please, just give me a few hours, and I'll have it fixed. I'm doing this to prevent translators having to do the same work twice. Jon Harald Søby (talk) 22:01, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

Yes, of course I see that you are changing - for me Upper Sorbian and Lower Sorbian are relevant. Lower Sorbian you have already restored. The issue is not the modifications of the messages but the changed order. When you change the order all the messages will be obsolete - not only those whose text has been changed. Is there any page for translation admins where an information can be left that the order of translation messages should not be changed? Yeah, a German proverb says: "Kleiner Fehler, große Wirkung" - "Small mistake, big effect", and another one: "Aus Fehlern lenrt man" - "From mistakes you learn". But, please believe me, I am not gloating. Regards, --Michawiki (talk) 22:29, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, I did make one mistake that has big effects – I forgot to check the boxes for "Do not fuzzy". And I am regretting that now. XD But that is not a very big problem. I'm getting into a rythm now, getting more effiecent as I go. So it should be all right pretty soon. Jon Harald Søby (talk) 22:32, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

Note to anyone else who might ask: I'm too tired to finish all the languages tonight, but will continue tomorrow. Jon Harald Søby (talk) 02:39, 25 January 2013 (UTC)

That was 981 entries! You are amazing! Jeblad (talk) 10:16, 25 January 2013 (UTC)

Jon Harald is trying to sort out the mess, and I'm quite sure he can do this. He should be more familiar with this stuff than most of us. Before he started this cleanup we had "lost" most of our translations, and if we can get them back to the previous state I'm more than willing to sacrifice a few newer translations. We went down from 100% coverage for most of the well-maintained languages to 18%. That was a really bad situation. Jeblad (talk) 10:21, 25 January 2013 (UTC)

Kurdish description

Hi Jon! How can I add Kurdish descriptions to a label?--best regardsGeorge Animal (talk) 12:00, 17 February 2013 (UTC)

Hiya! The descriptions are added in the same way as a label, just fill in the box at the top of a page, for example in Q3866, the second text-box at the top is the description. I know there is some trouble in older versions of Internet Explorer, though. If you use Internet Explorer, try upgrading to IE9 (if possible), or use another browser like Firefox og Chrome. Jon Harald Søby (talk) 12:03, 17 February 2013 (UTC)

I can't although I use IE as browser.see here.Best regards--George Animal (talk) 12:11, 17 February 2013 (UTC)

Oh, I see what the problem is. You have to change your interface language to Kurdish either in Special:Preferences or by clicking the link to the left of your user name at the very top of the page. Then it should work. Jon Harald Søby (talk) 12:14, 17 February 2013 (UTC)

Don't forget labelLister :) — PinkAmpers&^{(Je vous invite à me parler)} 21:50, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

It is working.Thanks a lot.--George Animal (talk) 12:18, 17 February 2013 (UTC)

No problem. :-) Jon Harald Søby (talk) 12:19, 17 February 2013 (UTC)

Multilanguage user

Hi Jon, thanks for the English lesson ;) --Kolja21 (talk) 15:00, 20 February 2013 (UTC)

No problem – and again, your English really is very good. :-) Jon Harald Søby (talk) 15:03, 20 February 2013 (UTC)

Wikidata weekly summary #46

Here's your quick overview of what has been happening around Wikidata over the last week.

• Development
  • Deployed new features and bugfixes including diffs for statements and the ability to enter items and properties by their ID
  • Updated demo system
  • Database maintainance (Wikidata was in read-only mode for a bit)
  • Implemented first version of a string data type
  • Worked on better error reporting from the API
  • Ported Lua function mw.wikibase.getEntity to Wikibase extension
  • Worked on making the search box suggest items and properties while typing
  • Improved the behaviour of the entity selector (thingy that lets you select items and entities)
  • Improved debugging experience in JavaScript when dealing with prototypical inheritance
  • Worked on cleanup of local entity store
  • Generalized generation of localizable edit summaries
• Discussions/Press
  • Wikidata development will continue in 2013
  • Wikidata Phase 2 in Full Swing
  • RFC about the Wikidata API
  • Lots of discussions about certain properties and how they should be used. Current state is at d:Wikidata:List of properties and new ones are being discussed at [d:Wikidata:Property proposal]]
  • RCF about amending the global bot policy for Wikidata
  • Proposed changes to Wikidata’s notability guidelines
• Events
  • office hour including a report on the current status of Wikidata (log)
  • upcoming: Wikipedia Day NYC
• Other Noteworthy Stuff
  • Deployment of phase 1 (language links) on all remaining Wikipedias and a small update on Wikidata are planned for March 6
  • Great page for editors to learn about what phase 1 means for them
  • Cool tool visualizing family relations based on data in Wikidata
  • “Restricting the World” (first in a series about some design decisions behind Wikidata)
  • List of most used properties
  • OmegaWiki is using Wikidata to get links to Wikipedia articles
  • Nyan Nyan Wikidata Nyan Nyan
  • We’ve hit d:Q5000000
  • Had a look at d:Wikidata:Tools lately?
• Open Tasks for You
  • Hack on one of these
  • Help translate Wikidata/Deployment Questions
  • Help bring the content of en:Wikipedia:Wikidata to your Wikipedia

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Re:Creating items

(Moved to User talk:Horcrux92#Creating items.) Jon Harald Søby (talk) 01:38, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

municipalities in Norway

Hello, I saw that you added Q755707 as a type of subdivision for many municipalities. However there are some sitelinks are just called municipalities in Norway, while some others are called "list of municipalities in Norway". As de.wikipedia has both de:Kommune (Norwegen) and de:Liste der norwegischen Kommunen, I think we need to split it into two items. What gives me pause is that some articles, like nn:Kommunar i Noreg, are not called lists, but actually are essentially that. Should I go ahead and split according to article titles, regardless of the actual content ? --Zolo (talk) 08:52, 28 February 2013 (UTC)

This is a difficult one. The Norwegian (Bokmål) article no:Norges kommuner has both de:Kommune (Norwegian)-type content and de:Liste der Norwegischen Kommunen-type content. I also think the content is a bit mismatched between some articles, but am not sure what to do about it. I think it might be best to split according to content though, and not titles. Jon Harald Søby (talk) 11:09, 28 February 2013 (UTC)

Q755707 needs to be relabelled, because it currently creates things like "type of division: list of municipalities". So I'll move all those that are pure lists to another item and keep in place those that seem to have other types of content as well. --Zolo (talk) 14:32, 2 March 2013 (UTC)

 Done--Zolo (talk) 14:56, 2 March 2013 (UTC)

Wikidata weekly summary #47

Here's your quick overview of what has been happening around Wikidata over the last week.

• Development
  • Extended diff view to include references now
  • Fixed bug where incorrect statements revision was shown in diff view
  • Added first version of Linked Data interface (RDF/XML); will be accessible from Special:EntityData
  • Updated the demo system
  • More work towards using Solr for our search
  • More investigation and fixes of search issues
  • Fixed several bugs in the entity selector and improved its behavior
  • Worked on refactoring of how our widgets use the toolbar
  • Worked on implementation of missing data model components in JavaScript
  • A lot of bug fixing
• Events
  • Wikipedia Day NYC
  • upcoming: Wikimedia metrics and activities meeting
  • upcoming: office hour (German)
• Other Noteworthy Stuff
  • Rollout of phase 1 (language links) on all remaining Wikipedias is still planned for March 6
  • Next update on wikidata.org is also planned for March 6. This will have bugfixes and if all goes well string as a new available data type.
  • Proposal was made to the Hungarian, Hebrew and Italian Wikipedias to be the first batch to use phase 2 of Wikidata (infoboxes). Scheduled timeframe for this is end of March
  • d:Wikidata:Database reports has some useful reports like the list of most used properties
  • The interwiki shortcut :d was changed to always use www in the resulting link (to prevent editing issues on other URLs).
  • The list of available properties is growing and a whole bunch of new ones are being discussed
  • Reasonator gives you a nice adapted view of an item about a person
  • Items by cat helps you find missing items in a certain Wikipedia category
  • A few more additions to d:Wikidata:Tools that you should have a look at if you’re editing statements
  • We now have more than 2600 active users on Wikidata. Thanks for being awesome. <3
• Open Tasks for You
  • Help bring the content of en:Wikipedia:Wikidata to the remaining Wikipedias that will get phase 1 on March 6
  • Hack on one of these

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Grensar til

Hei. Eg ser at du la til eigenskapen grensar til (P47) på til dømes Tysnes, som er ein øykommune. Den engelske skildringa for P47 seier at eigenskapen berre gjeld landgrenser. Stord er òg ein øykommune, men har likevel landgrense til Fitjar, slik at der får du ei blanding av landgrenser og «sjøgrenser». Ei eventuell inkludering av sjøgrenser burde jo hatt ein sams definisjon for alle språka (kan henda ein eigen eigenskap), t.d. at stad Y og Z høgst har x kilometer vassveg mellom seg. --Njardarlogar (talk) 19:11, 4 March 2013 (UTC)

Ja, det er litt vanskelig det der. Jeg har valgt å inkludere alle kommunene som nevnes i Wikipedia-artiklene, fordi forholdene her er så små at en med rimelighet kan si at de grenser til hverandre selv om det er vann i mellom. Spørsmålet er hvor en skal dra grensa (pun not intended) – hvor brei må en fjord være for at kommunene på hver sin side av den ikke grenser mot hverandre? Hvor brei må en innsjø være (grenser Østre Toten til Stange i Mjøsa, eller ikke?)? Og hva med elver? Vi har også problematikken med øykommuner som har bro- eller tunnelforbindelse til fastlandet (og/eller andre øykommuner). Med litt godvilje kan man jo si at Hitra har ei «landgrense» til Snillfjord inne i Hitratunnelen… Så det er vanskelig, og det kan godt tenkes at det bør komme en ny egenskap som tar for seg sjøgrenser. Meen, foreløpig gjør jeg det slik – det er jo en wiki, så det er lett å endre seinere om det kommer et bedre alternativ på banen som passer bedre i denne situasjonen. Eller, ka du trur? Jon Harald Søby (talk) 19:20, 4 March 2013 (UTC)

Hah, tja; sjølv fylgjer eg vel helst føre var-prinsippet, slik at det vert minst mogeleg av eventuell opprydjing i fall framgangsmåten er feil. Eg byrjar i alle fall eit ordskifte på Property talk:P47. --Njardarlogar (talk) 20:30, 4 March 2013 (UTC)

Legge til utsagn

Hei! Wikidata er faktisk gøy! Du? Jeg får ikke til å legge til beskrivelse eller utsagn som det står her. Se f.eks. på denne http://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q3373401 Når jeg klikker på legg til kommer det opp en liten boks og jeg har prøvd å sette inn ordet person, men selve knappen man skal lagre med er grå og kan ikke klikkes på for å lagre. Vet ikke om du skjønte det. Mvh.--Anne-Sophie Ofrim (talk) 16:24, 8 March 2013 (UTC)

Det er det! (Og det forklarer hvordan jeg på under en måned har fått over 30 000 redigeringer her…)

Har du huska å skrive inn «hovedtype» i det første feltet (til venstre), og så skrive «person» i andre feltet? Man kan ikke bare skrive «person». Ellers er det av og til litt bøggete, sånn at alle lenkene plutselig er grå, men det fikses ved en enkel F5.

Ellers er det mange nyttige tilleggsfunksjoner i innstillingene, samt noen andre nyttige verktøy på Wikidata:Tools (jeg har for eksempel en greie som gjør at jeg bare trenger å trykke på en knapp for å legge inn at noen er «hovedtype: person» og «kjønn: mann»). Jon Harald Søby (talk) 21:30, 8 March 2013 (UTC)

He he.. takk skal du ha, jeg skal prøve meg frem. Mvh.--Anne-Sophie Ofrim (talk) 08:32, 9 March 2013 (UTC)

Wikidata weekly summary #48

Here's your quick overview of what has been happening around Wikidata over the last week.

• Development
  • More work on widget to add language links on the Wikipedias directly without having to go to Wikidata
  • Bug fixes for Wikipedias, including:
    • don't show edit link when noexternallanglinks magic word suppresses Wikidata links (bugzilla:45037)
    • use Q## links instead of linking to Special:ItemByTitle for “edit links” link (bugzilla:44536)
    • preference for showing Wikidata edits by default in watchlist (bugzilla:44973)
  • Catching up on writing tests for untested functionality
  • More work on the Lua support for accessing data from the repository (wikidata.org) on the Wikipedias
  • Updated Wikidata’s Vagrant development machine
  • Created initial QueryStore interface
  • Created initial setup code for the SQL QueryStore
  • Discussed and created initial schema for the SQL QueryStore
  • Simplified code for client settings, including which namespaces can have Wikidata links. The default is now all namespaces, without needing to explicitly specify them in the settings
  • Improved code for sorting interwiki links in the clients, with step towards allowing the communities to specify custom sort orders per Wikipedia
  • Improved handling of deleted properties
  • Further work on replacement for current search box
  • More work on improving error reporting and edit summaries in the API
  • Tim and Aaron killed the mystery bug that caused corrupt login tokens (bugzilla:41586)
• Discussions/Press
  • Hacker News noticed we exist
  • RFC about opting out of global sysops or not (more RFCs d:Wikidata:Requests for comment)
  • Asked the Italian, Hebrew and Hungarian Wikipedias if they want to be the first to use phase 2 (will ask a few more to join the first batch later today)
• Events
  • WMF Metrics and Activities meeting (recording is linked there)
  • office hour in German
  • upcoming: Bibliothek & Information
  • upcoming: Wikidata trifft Achäologie
• Other Noteworthy Stuff
  • We’re now live on all Wikipedias with phase 1 \o/
  • Deployed bugfixes and a new data type (string) to wikidata.org
  • How will Wikidata impact Wikipedia?
  • More useful database reports (more are being requested on the discussion page)
  • Quite a few new properties that make use of the new string data type now and more are being proposed
  • Lukas wants to work with us to improve usability
  • New user scripts at d:Wikidata:Tools
• Did you know?
  • Is a specific bug report really important to you? If you have an account on bugs.wikimedia.org you can easily add yourself to the CC list of the bug and then receive updates about its status via email
  • Wikidata is also on Twitter, identi.ca, Facebook and Google+
  • There is an IRC channel too: #wikimedia-wikidata on freenode
• Open Tasks for You
  • Hack on one of these
  • Continue being awesome

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Wikidata weekly summary #49

Here's your quick overview of what has been happening around Wikidata over the last week.

• • Development
  • Design improvements to the SetClaim API module
  • More work on implementing the simple inclusion syntax that will be 1 way to access Wikidata data on Wikipedia
  • More work on Lua (the second way to access Wikidata data on Wikipedia)
  • Added parser page property to hold entity id in client. This fixes:
    • bugzilla:45037 - don’t show edit link if noexternallanglinks has suppressed all Wikidata links
    • bugzilla:44536 - have the edit link go directly to the Q### pages, instead of Special:ItemByTitle which shall make the link be more reliable and work for all namespaces
  • Selenium tests for deleted-property-handling
  • Selenium tests for multiline references
  • Selenium tests for add-sitelinks-from-client
  • Selenium tests for Entity-Selector-as-Searchbox
  • Selenium tests for language-table
  • Implemented in-process caching for entities
  • Lua support to access the repo data and implement getEntity (so you can use stuff like entity = mw.wikibase.getEntity("Q1459") in Lua modules)
  • rebuildTermSearchKey is now ready for production (this still needs to be run but once done it will make search case-insensitive)
  • Improved error reports from the API
  • Ground work for better edit summaries from the API
  • Added a table of content to item pages
  • Added debug functionality to be able to investigate why it takes longer than it should for Wikidata changes to show up on recent changes and watchlists on Wikipedia
  • Finished implementation of References-UI
  • Implemented GUID generator in JavaScript
  • Worked on fixing a bug related to deleted properties where the UI would display wrong information
  • Minor fixes/additions to the JS datamodel implementation
  • Minor bugfixes in Statements-UI
  • More work on RDF export
• Discussions/Press
  • When to autoconfirm users
  • More property proposals
• Events
  • Bibliothek und Information
  • 3rd Media Web Symposium
  • upcoming: Wikidata trifft Archäologie
  • upcoming: SMWCon
  • Log of latest office hour on IRC (in German)
  • We’ll be at the Amsterdam Hackathon
• Other Noteworthy Stuff
  • New features/bugfixes on wikidata.org are planned for March 20
  • Lua roll-out! You’ll be able to use it soon to access Wikidata data on Wikipedia. Here's two introductory blogposts: [1] [2]
  • The new pope didn’t go unnoticed on Wikidata either
  • Someone sent the dev team a cake! <3
  • Want an easy way to add authority control data? Check this
  • We crossed item ID 7000000
  • We now have over 4000 active editors \o/
  • Some more stats based on a database dump from end of February
  • Reasonator got a few more goodies
• Did you know?
  • If you add a Babel box to your user page Wikidata will show you items and descriptions in other languages you speak as well without you having to switch the language
  • Want to know which items use a certain property? Try the “what links here” link on a property page
• Open Tasks for You
  • Help translate m:Wikidata/Deployment Questions
  • Hack on one of these

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Problems with ku interwikikilink

Hi Jon

How are you?Could you look here.Thanks in advance--George Animal (talk) 18:15, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

Hi, George! The reason you can't add it is because that page is already linked to in Q130912. One article can only be added to one item. Jon Harald Søby (talk) 18:23, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

Wikidata:Roads task force

So you know, we've created this task force to help organize the creation of road items. --Rschen7754 00:20, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

Nice! thanks for the notice. Jon Harald Søby (talk) 20:40, 20 March 2013 (UTC)

Wikidata weekly summary #50

Here's your quick overview of what has been happening around Wikidata over the last week.

• Development
  • Rolled out new code on wikidata.org. The new stuff you probably care about is:
    • Improved references. They can now have multiple lines. This should make references much more useful. You can now have one reference with for example values for each of the properties "book", "author", "page" to describe one source.
    • Fixed the prev/next links in diff view (bugzilla:45821)
    • d:Special:EntitiesWithoutLabel now lets you filter by language and entity type
  • Widget to add language links on the Wikipedias directly: added setting to enable/disable it per wiki and made it available for logged-in users only
  • Widget to add language links on the Wikipedias directly: improved layout / size
  • Made it so that the “edit links” link on Wikipedia is also shown when the corresponding item only has a link to this one language and no other languages
  • Submitted improved Apache config patch to make wikidata.org always redirect to www.wikidata.org, which is awaiting code review and deployment.
  • Improved the script that is responsible for taking Wikidata changes to the Wikipedias
  • Added a few ways to better debug the script responsible for taking Wikidata changes to the Wikipedias. This should help with investigating why some changes take way to long to show up on the Wikipedias.
  • Started work on automatically adding edited items to the user’s watchlist (according to preferences)
  • Finished script for rebuilding search keys, so we can finally get case insensitive matches in a lot of places
  • Support for multi-line references in diff view
  • Selenium tests for inclusion syntax
  • Improved parser function (that will be used to access Wikidata data on the Wikipedias) to accept property ID or label
  • Increased isolation of data model component to increase clarity and visibility of bad dependencies
  • Worked on schema access in the SQLStore (of the query component)
• Discussions/Press
  • Denny had a look at some data about Wikidata
• Events
  • 3rd Media Web Symposium 2013
  • Wikidata trifft Archäologie
  • SMWCon Spring NYC
• Other Noteworthy Stuff
  • Join us for the Amsterdam and Wikimania hackathon and Wikimania
  • Too many items with the same label and no description? Terminator helps you hunt them all down and clean them up. Also check out the top 1000
  • Interested in the distribution of books by genre on Wikidata and similar things? WikidataStats can help
  • d:Wikidata:Requests for permissions/Bot needs input from more people
  • Detailed list of bots
  • Collecting information about creating a bot
  • We’ve crossed Q8000000
• Did you know?
  • When you edit a statement there is a little wheel in front of the text field. This lets you choose between “custom value”, “unknown value” and “no value”. “No value” means that we know that the given property has no value, e.g. Elizabeth I of England had no spouse. “Unknown value” means that the property has a value, but it is unknown which one -- e.g. Pope Linus most certainly had a year of birth, but it is unknown to us.
• Open Tasks for You
  • Hack on one of these
  • Still looking for the right way to contribute for you? Have a look at d:Wikidata:Contribute

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