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Property:P133Edit

Bonjour Visite fortuitement prolongée, j'ai vu que tu avais effectué des changements sur la propriété 133 est donc sur les pages qui l'utilisent (par exemple Q813549). J'avais rempli les propriétés de quelques dizaines de langues et toutes les propritétés P133 sont donc probablement à revoir. Si j'ai bien compris, il faut utiliser P361 à la place de l'ancienne utilisation de P133 ; c'est bien ça ? Pamputt (talk) 14:26, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

Bonjour,
Votre interprétation est correcte, sauf que l'utilisation de P361 est transitoires, comme c'est visible dans Wikidata talk:Languages task force#Relating languages.
De plus, je viens de passer sur toutes les fiches utilisant P133, donc il faut juste vérifier que je n'ai pas commis ou laissé d'erreur. Visite fortuitement prolongée (talk) 21:46, 1 November 2013 (UTC)

Greek (Q9129)Edit

What's the idea of deleting correct information? Infovarius (talk) 13:47, 29 November 2013 (UTC)

To Infovarius: In order to decrease Wikidata:Database reports/Constraint violations/P219#Unique value, Wikidata:Database reports/Constraint violations/P219#Single value, Wikidata:Database reports/Constraint violations/P220#Unique value, Wikidata:Database reports/Constraint violations/P220#Single value. Visite fortuitement prolongée (talk) 20:35, 29 November 2013 (UTC)
@Infovarius: So what is your opinion about those not very accurate language codes? Visite fortuitement prolongée (talk) 20:58, 2 December 2013 (UTC)
Aha, I see. It should be solved. Firstly, I suppose that P219 should not have "single value" constraint. And non-unique values show that there can be interwiki conflict. I'll think about greek languages. --Infovarius (talk) 14:04, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

ISO 639-2 code (P219)Edit

Why have you removed many values? For example, "ine" as I believe means "inexistent language" and so is ok if duplicate. Infovarius (talk) 20:54, 8 February 2014 (UTC)

So I suppose that "non-unique value" constraint is also not valid and should be removed. And deleted values should be restored (may be after some checking). Infovarius (talk) 21:02, 8 February 2014 (UTC)
@ Infovarius : "ine" mean "Indo-European languages". It is a generic code, acceptable for an infobox (there are plenty in the french language wikipedia), but inapropriate in Wikidata item in my opinion. Most of my other recent delection of ISO 639-2 code where the same. Visite fortuitement prolongée (talk) 21:31, 8 February 2014 (UTC)
I oppose. Visite fortuitement prolongée (talk) 21:31, 8 February 2014 (UTC)
Why do you think it's inappropriate for Wikidata? --Infovarius (talk) 09:56, 12 February 2014 (UTC)
@ Infovarius : Because wikidata should (in my opinion) store the canonical/specific property, not a generic property (like "ine" for the hundreds of Indo-European languages and dialects). Visite fortuitement prolongée (talk) 21:32, 12 February 2014 (UTC)
This is not argument: instance of (P31) is not so specific too :) --Infovarius (talk) 15:30, 15 February 2014 (UTC)
In my opinion,
is better than
because it show only the canonical code. Do you want to discuss that in Wikidata talk:Languages task force? Visite fortuitement prolongée (talk) 18:28, 15 February 2014 (UTC)
PS I found Help:Qualifiers. Would you agree to
 ? Visite fortuitement prolongée (talk) 18:43, 15 February 2014 (UTC)
Yes, qualifiers are good. But how do you know where is "specific" and where is "generic"(canonical) code? I don't see it in the standard. Infovarius (talk) 17:20, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

\__ Well, this seems obvious to me. The standard say that "ine" means "Indo-European languages" (canonical), that "osc" means "Osque language" (canonical), but does not say that "ine" means "Osque language". As far as I know, Oscan (Q36653) ISO 639-2 code (P219) ine is not in the standard. If "ine" is added to Osque (or Umbrian), it is only as a generic code. Visite fortuitement prolongée (talk) 20:30, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

  • I see that osc is not 639-2 code and ine is not 639-2 code of any language. So now I am convinced too that this code is inappropriate. Infovarius (talk) 14:36, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

some toolsEdit

Hi Visite fortuitement prolongée! You may add more help tools to user:Visite fortuitement prolongée/common.js . See User:Rotsaert8000 (in Esperanto). Good luck gangLeri לערי ריינהארט (talk) 13:36, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

ConstraintsEdit

Why are you deleting P220 and P282 requirements? --Infovarius (talk) 20:48, 29 December 2014 (UTC)

Because they are not accurate requirements as far as I know. ISO must not assign an ISO 639-2 code for every language, and mentionning the writing system is not a requisite for having a number of speakers or an ISO 639-3 code. Visite fortuitement prolongée (talk) 22:28, 29 December 2014 (UTC)

Duplicate itemsEdit

Hi Visite fortuitement prolongée, I see you ran into some duplicate items and added a local link. No need to do that. Go to Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-gadgets and check "Merge: This script adds a tool for merging items". If you have two items you can just merge them together. The gadget will copy all the contents, empty the item and redirect it. Multichill (talk) 22:48, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

2015-03 lien Wikipédia alternatifEdit

Rotating locomotion in living systemsEdit

Can you please tell me why you removed these entries? Thanks, Swpb (talk) 15:53, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

Re: 2015-05 en labelEdit

I think that is a bug with automatic creation label for English. For example, I created category on commons and then on the left side "add links" and add link to sr article [1], I didn't put any English label on it. --Djordjes (talk) 22:37, 30 May 2015 (UTC)

V/STOL, STOL, & VTOL classificationEdit

For the purposes of subclass of (P279), none of these should be subclasses of each other. Each are their own subclass of takeoff and landing (Q20046585).

Not all short takeoff and landing (Q832489) aircraft are capable of vertical takeoff and landing (Q320599) so the former cannot be a subclass of the later.

Not all vertical takeoff and landing (Q320599) aircraft are capable of short takeoff and landing (Q832489) so the former cannot be a subclass of the later.

Since neither all vertical takeoff and landing (Q320599) aircraft, nor all short takeoff and landing (Q832489) aircraft are capable of both, neither are a proper subclass of V/STOL (Q1193453).

There could be a case made that V/STOL (Q1193453) should be a subclass of vertical takeoff and landing (Q320599) and short takeoff and landing (Q832489), but the reverse should definitely not be true.

For further discussion, see the discussion at WP Aviation. Josh Baumgartner (talk) 17:10, 8 June 2015 (UTC)

Q36846Edit

Hello. Toki pona is a constructed language, according to ISO 639-2 and ISO 639-3 such languages are marked with code "art". If anyone would like to use Wikidata/Wikipedia to check how to officialy mark toki pona text, I assume it would be correct to direct them to using of overall code for constructed languages as marker. Do you disagree? Thanks, Eugene.--EUvin (talk) 10:58, 28 June 2015 (UTC)

Of course I disagree: I deleted the 2 Statement 3 day ago. By the way, where in ISO 639-3 did you see the code "art"? Visite fortuitement prolongée (talk) 19:18, 28 June 2015 (UTC)
The purpose of the ISO 639 code is to mark the language, or, if not possible, the language cathegory. Toki pona is a language. How one would mark it if this is the language has no ISO 639 code? How one would mark the text in this language if this would be required for e.g. a library? Either by self-made code, or using the standard group marker for artificial languages. "art" is that kind of code. Here's "art" for Artificial on the SIL site. Do you have objections for that? --EUvin (talk) 00:31, 11 November 2015 (UTC)

Root of all languagesEdit

There are already several items which can play a role of the highest class: languoid (Q17376908), your human language (Q20162172), may be some part of language family (Q25295). Why to create once more? I've already lost among language (Q315)/language (Q34770)/langue (Q4113741) (look at ru-labels!) and now you are messing things with classification... May be we should imaging the classification prior to global changes? --Infovarius (talk) 09:52, 6 July 2015 (UTC)

"Why to create once more? [...] you are messing things with classification..." --> No. You messed with Special:Diff/225213130 and Special:Diff/225648524, forcing me to create a new item. Visite fortuitement prolongée (talk) 20:08, 6 July 2015 (UTC)

Juillet 2015Edit

Visite fortuitement prolongée (talk) 19:24, 12 July 2015 (UTC)

ok. je vois ce qui s'est passé. on m'avait déjà signalé le problème mais je n'avais pas trouver d'erreurs dans mon bot. Apparemment, l'api a buggué pendant quelques heures le 1 mai 2014. Heureusement, à première vue il n'y a qu'une centaine d'éléments impactés. je vais faire la correction manuellement dès que possible. Encore merci. User:Thieol (talk) 02:24, 13 July 2015 (UTC)

Q20643070Edit

Can you please explain me the purpose of Q20643070? It has no label and I'm not able to deduce the meaning of the item. --Pasleim (talk) 20:38, 22 July 2015 (UTC)

I guess that you can delete it. Visite fortuitement prolongée (talk) 20:46, 22 July 2015 (UTC)
Ok. I asked for deletion. Cdlt, VIGNERON (talk) 18:22, 29 July 2015 (UTC)

ISO 693-3 for BihariEdit

According to w:en:ISO_639:b the ISO-639-3 code for Bihari is bih. Why did you remove that statement? According to Property talk:P218 any item with ISO 639-1 code (P218) also needs a ISO 639-3 code (P220). And by removing the statement you created a constraint violation, which I solved earlier today. Mbch331 (talk) 20:35, 1 September 2015 (UTC)

Mbch331 According to http://www-01.sil.org/iso639-3/documentation.asp?id=bih, bih is not an ISO-639-3 code. The rest is up to you. Visite fortuitement prolongée (talk) 20:40, 1 September 2015 (UTC)

ISO 639-3 = misEdit

According to http://www-01.sil.org/iso639-3/documentation.asp?id=mis it is a valid umbrella code for uncoded languages. Why did you remove it? --Infovarius (talk) 14:40, 27 September 2015 (UTC)

Because it looks good. Visite fortuitement prolongée (talk) 20:06, 27 September 2015 (UTC)
There is "mis" in reliable source (ISO), and there is no "no value", so I believe we should use "mis". --Infovarius (talk) 05:47, 2 October 2015 (UTC)
  • "mis" is a generic ("better than nothing") code. There is no way to tell Wikidata or Wikidata clients that "mis" is a generic data (as far as I now).
  • "mis" can be added to many items (like if you where adding P220 "rus" to dialects of russian-language). This violate "Unique value" constraint of P220.
Visite fortuitement prolongée (talk) 20:09, 2 October 2015 (UTC)
That's correct. But these are technical problems, not semantical. Is it (semantically, logically) wrong to assign P220 "rus" to dialects of russian-language? --Infovarius (talk) 13:33, 4 October 2015 (UTC)
@Infovarius: Yes. Visite fortuitement prolongée (talk) 20:19, 6 October 2015 (UTC)
I don't thinks so. There are ISO 639 codes which are used for macrolanguages. --Infovarius (talk) 05:56, 7 October 2015 (UTC)
So what? Visite fortuitement prolongée (talk) 21:03, 7 October 2015 (UTC)
So the only problem is in constraint violation? We can remove it, or refine it (adding codes for macrofamilies and "mis" as exceptions). --Infovarius (talk) 15:47, 12 November 2015 (UTC)

PProposalEdit

Hi Visite fortuitement prolongée,

Not sure if you have seen my comment at PProposals. --- Jura 10:33, 9 October 2015 (UTC)

Of course I have seen it: you pinged me. Visite fortuitement prolongée (talk) 20:14, 9 October 2015 (UTC)
Sometimes those notifications get cut off .. anyways, why don't you support or oppose any of the other proposals? --- Jura 07:05, 10 October 2015 (UTC)

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Switching Commonscat links from article-items to category-itemsEdit

I am not sure that edits like this diff 1 diff 2 are helpful.

Most Commons users appear to prefer their categories to link to article-items here, rather than category-items. It also makes templates somewhat more efficient, if they can draw directly from an article item, rather than having to first identify the item then access it via arbitrary access. Jheald (talk) 21:16, 4 September 2017 (UTC)

Daniele Ganser (Q124784)Edit

Hi there. About this. The German Wikipedia has a very long article about Daniele Ganser. There is no consensus that he is a conspiracy theorist (Verschwörungstheoretiker in German). As long there is no consensus about this I suggest to remove it. Thanks. --KurtR (talk) 20:26, 20 August 2018 (UTC)

The source that you give doesn't call him a conspiracy theorist, but a “conspiracy mystic”. They explicitly say it would make sense to renounce this label for him:
“Ganser und Konsorten lehnen es ab, als «Verschwörungstheoretiker» bezeichnet zu werden. Dies sei zu einem abwertenden Kampfbegriff gegen sie geworden. Darauf zu verzichten, macht durchaus Sinn, wenn auch aus anderen Gründen: Der Begriff «Verschwörungstheoretiker» würde beinhalten, ihre Szenarien beruhten auf einer wissenschaftlich fundierten Theorie. Treffender ist die Bezeichnung «Verschwörungsmystiker», da sich ihre Weisheiten letztlich in überweltlichen Geisteswelten findet.”
In English: “Ganser and his cohorts decline being called ‘conspiracy theorists’. They say this had become a derogatory slogan used against them. Renouncing it does in fact make sense, albeit for other reasons: The term ‘conspiracy theorist’ would imply that their scenarios were based on a scientifically substantiated theory. More fitting is the term ‘conspiracy mystic’, because their wisdom is ultimately based on transcendent intellectual/spiritual [not entirely sure how to translate "Geisteswelten" here] worlds.”
So this article cannot be used as a proof that he is a conspiracy theorist, even when we ignore that it's a journalistic and not a scientific text. In my opinion only the latter could justify the attribution. (The author Christian Mensch, born 1964, studied History and German but works as a journalist since 1993 [2], so he does not qualify as a scientist, either.) --Gamba (talk) 07:30, 21 August 2018 (UTC)
Thank you for coming here.
What is your opinion about Michael Butter's book ? Visite fortuitement prolongée (talk) 20:04, 22 August 2018 (UTC)


I fail to add reference URL (P854) urn:ISBN:978-3-518-07360-5 Visite fortuitement prolongée (talk) 20:06, 22 August 2018 (UTC)

Je me suis débrouillée autrement. Visite fortuitement prolongée (talk) 19:37, 23 August 2018 (UTC)

2018-10 remarqueEdit

Visiblement French Wikipedia (Q8447) n'est pas géné d'utiliser comme sources des sites web d'extrême droite (tels ojim.fr et lesobservateurs.ch). Visite fortuitement prolongée (talk) 19:17, 15 October 2018 (UTC)

2018-11 remarqueEdit

Visiblement French Wikipedia (Q8447) n'est pas gêné que w:fr:Modèle:Infobox Langue soit en partie cassé depuis plusieurs années. Visite fortuitement prolongée (talk) 21:18, 16 November 2018 (UTC)

Corrigé par w:fr:special:diff/157032015. Visite fortuitement prolongée (talk) 19:32, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

Néologisme incompréhensibleEdit

Bonjour User:Visite fortuitement prolongée, le néologisme 'conspirationniste', catégorie 'occupation' ne veut rien dire en l'état. Est ce une personne qui conspire ou complote? Non, c'est quelqu'un qui croit et articule une théorie du complot. Avec la formulation 'conspirationniste', l'infobox Biographie2 liée à wikidata est inutilisable. Il est nécéssaire comme le font les autres langues de clarifier pour compréhension.--DDupard (talk) 06:34, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

Bonjour,
« le néologisme 'conspirationniste' » => Tous les noms francophones de Q19831149 (« conspirationniste », « théoricien du complot », « complotiste », « théoricien conspirationniste ») sont des néologismes et n'apparaissaient pas dans les dictionnaires il y a 20 ans. Visite fortuitement prolongée (talk) 19:33, 16 April 2019 (UTC)
« 'conspirationniste' [...] ne veut rien dire en l'état » => Et les autres noms ? Visite fortuitement prolongée (talk) 19:33, 16 April 2019 (UTC)
« Avec la formulation 'conspirationniste', l'infobox Biographie2 liée à wikidata est inutilisable. » => Et avec les autres noms ? Visite fortuitement prolongée (talk) 19:33, 16 April 2019 (UTC)
J'ai peur que vous ne compreniez pas le concept de Q19831149 vu special:diff/896982125. Visite fortuitement prolongée (talk) 19:33, 16 April 2019 (UTC)
Avez vous regardé Q312519#P106 ? Visite fortuitement prolongée (talk) 19:33, 16 April 2019 (UTC)
« Il est nécéssaire comme le font les autres langues de clarifier pour compréhension. » => En faisant quoi ? Visite fortuitement prolongée (talk) 19:33, 16 April 2019 (UTC)

old software version?Edit

Hello,

can you explain to me what this edit is good for? Wefa (talk) 19:06, 27 April 2019 (UTC)

2019-06 comptes jetablesEdit

Bat Ye'orEdit

Bat Ye'or n'a jamais eu l'intention d'être la pionnière sur quoi que ce soit, ni une ultra de quoi que ce soit, elle n'est qu'une lanceuse d'alerte parmi tant d'autres. Et c'est une grave insulte à son égard (telle qu'exprimée dans l'article de Wikipédia sous son nom) que de la traiter de complotiste au sens péjoratif, alors que le complot existe, celui entamé par l'islam pour instaurer la charia dans tous les pays musulmans par le traité du Caire de 1990 (voir https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/D%C3%A9claration_des_droits_de_l%27homme_en_islam) et pire éradiquer la civilisation occidentale pour la remplacer par une société intégralement soumise à la charia comme l'ensemble de l'humanité sur la planète tel qu'explicitement exprimé lors du sommet de Doha de l'année 2000 (voir https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organisation_islamique_pour_l%27%C3%A9ducation,_les_sciences_et_la_culture ). Et ce n'est pas la référence que vous me faîtes lire et propage les insultes qui peuvent à mon sens être crédibles et prises comme paroles d'évangile. DidCORN (talk) 21:04, 29 June 2019 (UTC)

Anders Behring BreivikEdit

I feel like having both terrorist, mass murder and spree killer as occupation was too many considering the high amount of overlap between all three. --Trade (talk) 22:09, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

This doesn't seem a convincing motive. Occupation overlap is not an issue in my opinion. Visite fortuitement prolongée (talk) 20:09, 24 July 2019 (UTC)
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