Wikidata:Property proposal/VcBA ID

VcBA IDEdit

Originally proposed at Wikidata:Property proposal/Authority control

   Done: VcBA ID (P8034) (Talk and documentation)
Descriptionauthority control for a subject on the website opac.vatlib.it
Representsopac.vatlib.it (Q84353965)
Data typeExternal identifier
Allowed values\d{3}\/[1-9]\d{0,5}
Example 1Basilica of San Domenico (Q862602)494/9793
Example 2Biblia Hebraica Stuttgartensia (Q2294543)492/3309
Example 3Domenico da San Gimignano (Q55227153)495/12554
Example 4Arca di San Domenico (Q2417706)499/13578
Example 5Justo de Santa María de Oro (Q6318514)495/235545
External linksUse in sister projects: [ar][de][en][es][fr][he][it][ja][ko][nl][pl][pt][ru][sv][vi][zh][commons][species][wd].
Planned useSlow manual addition; semi-automatic imports to be valued
Number of IDs in sourceHundreds of thousands
Expected completenessalways incomplete (Q21873886)
Formatter URLhttps://tools.wmflabs.org/wikidata-externalid-url/?p=XXXX&url_prefix=https://opac.vatlib.it/auth/detail/&id=$1
See alsoVatican Library ID (P1017)

MotivationEdit

T.seppelt (talk) 21:00, 18 February 2016 (UTC) Vladimir Alexiev (talk) 11:59, 13 March 2017 (UTC) GerardM (talk) 15:58, 26 March 2017 (UTC) Jonathan Groß (talk) 17:52, 26 March 2017 (UTC) Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits Jneubert (talk) 13:47, 29 April 2017 (UTC) Framawiki (please notify !) (talk) Sic19 (talk) 20:42, 12 July 2017 (UTC) Wikidelo (talk) 21:15, 8 May 2018 (UTC) salgo60 Salgo60 (talk) 07:09, 10 June 2018 (UTC) ArthurPSmith (talk) 19:52, 22 August 2018 (UTC) PKM (talk) 19:40, 23 August 2018 (UTC) Ettorerizza (talk) 06:44, 8 October 2018 (UTC) Fuzheado (talk) 03:47, 19 December 2018 (UTC) Daniel Mietchen (talk) 16:30, 7 April 2019 (UTC) Eihel (talk) 15:13, 19 June 2019 (UTC) NAH Iwan.Aucamp Epìdosis

  Notified participants of WikiProject Authority control Airon90 ValterVB Alexmar983 Epìdosis Pietro Jura Beta16 Yiyi Sannita Camelia Massimo Sentruper Pierpao Marcok CristianNX Daniele Pugliesi (WMIT) AttoRenato Parma1983 Aborruso Sabas88 Lalupa DnaX Fausta Samaritani AlessioMela Patafisik Malore Jtorquy Nicholas Gemini Civvì Devbug Afnecors Susanna Giaccai FabC FeltriaUrbsPicta Horcrux Uomovariabile

  Notified participants of WikiProject Italy As you can notice, Vatican Library ID (P1017) has not his own formatter URL; instead, it has only a formatter URL in VIAF. I've contacted Paola Manoni, director of the Coordinamento dei Servizi Informatici, to ask her about this strange absence of a formatter URL. She said that BAV identifiers used by VIAF are obsolete and that the authority control which Vatican Library (Q213678) uses at the moment is opac.vatlib.it; VIAF will be synchronised with these data in the next months. So I propose this new property, which is necessary as VIAF component (Q26921380) and in order to substitute old Vatican Library ID (P1017), which will be mantained for historical purposes.

Final note: the IDs should theoretically have "/" instead of "_", but use "_" in the URL, so, if possible, it would be good to have "/" in the ID and "_" somewhere in the formatter URL; I made a test here, but it wasn't successful, if someone has better ideas is welcome! Epìdosis 14:08, 7 February 2020 (UTC)

Airon90 ValterVB Alexmar983 Epìdosis Pietro Jura Beta16 Yiyi Sannita Camelia Massimo Sentruper Pierpao Marcok CristianNX Daniele Pugliesi (WMIT) AttoRenato Parma1983 Aborruso Sabas88 Lalupa DnaX Fausta Samaritani AlessioMela Patafisik Malore Jtorquy Nicholas Gemini Civvì Devbug Afnecors Susanna Giaccai FabC FeltriaUrbsPicta Horcrux Uomovariabile

  Notified participants of WikiProject Italy Seemingly the ping didn't work. --Epìdosis 19:10, 10 February 2020 (UTC)

DiscussionEdit

  •   Support About the / vs _ char in the URL, I hope that the BAV will avoid this difference. Anyway, in Wikidata, IMHO this can have an inelegant solution, using a script. --Bargioni (talk) 11:56, 10 February 2020 (UTC)
    Yes, I agree. Anyway, using _ here is not so bad, I think. --Epìdosis 19:09, 10 February 2020 (UTC)
  •   Support--Pierpao (talk) 19:13, 10 February 2020 (UTC)
  •   Support I trust you.--Alexmar983 (talk) 19:36, 10 February 2020 (UTC)
  •   Support --Sentruper (talk) 20:43, 10 February 2020 (UTC)
  •   Support--Parma1983 (talk) 22:53, 10 February 2020 (UTC)
  •   Support --AlessioMela (talk) 10:32, 11 February 2020 (UTC)
  •   Support Susanna Giaccai (talk) 10:47, 12 February 2020 (UTC)
  •   Support Good to know. --Sannita - not just another it.wiki sysop 11:11, 14 February 2020 (UTC)
  •   Support --Yiyi .... (talk!) 12:46, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
  •   Support. YULdigitalpreservation (talk) 14:30, 27 February 2020 (UTC)
  •   Support --Horcrux (talk) 23:39, 29 February 2020 (UTC)
  •   Comment Ciao @Epìdosis, Bargioni: I read diagonally.
    • We definitely leave aside the slash for the underscore? Otherwise you must also change index.php compared to your testwd demonstration (after the creation of the property, by making a "pull request" from ArthurPSmith with str_replace("/", "_", $id) for example)
    • There will be no obsolescence for this future property? (also after your discussion on itwp)
    If not I thought to create the property incessantly… if we remain on the proposal, if not we must ask again the opinion of the voters, of course. (For the ping, did you not reach the authorized maximum of 50 pings at once?) Cordially. —Eihel (talk) 07:14, 15 March 2020 (UTC)
    @Eihel: No obsolescence previewed so far, yes! For the ping, yes, I reached the maximum of 50 :(
    I would leave the "_" at the end ... but before, could you better explain me "you must also change index.php compared to your testwd demonstration (after the creation of the property, by making a "pull request" from ArthurPSmith with str_replace("/", "_", $id)) for example)"? I haven't understood what you mean. Thank you very much! --Epìdosis 09:01, 15 March 2020 (UTC)
  • So, as proposed by @Eihel:, considering that using "/" is technically possible, we would choose "/" instead of "_". If you are against this solution, please

Airon90 ValterVB Alexmar983 Epìdosis Pietro Jura Beta16 Yiyi Sannita Camelia Massimo Sentruper Pierpao Marcok CristianNX Daniele Pugliesi (WMIT) AttoRenato Parma1983 Aborruso Sabas88 Lalupa DnaX Fausta Samaritani AlessioMela Patafisik Malore Jtorquy Nicholas Gemini Civvì Devbug Afnecors Susanna Giaccai FabC FeltriaUrbsPicta Horcrux Uomovariabile

  Notified participants of WikiProject Italy write it here; if there is no objection in the next days, the property will be created with "/". See changes in bold Thanks, --Epìdosis 10:23, 15 March 2020 (UTC) @Bargioni, YULdigitalpreservation: —Eihel (talk) 11:38, 15 March 2020 (UTC)

@Epìdosis: The update to the external-id tool was done, so your formatter URL works! ArthurPSmith (talk) 19:14, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

Airon90 ValterVB Alexmar983 Epìdosis Pietro Jura Beta16 Yiyi Sannita Camelia Massimo Sentruper Pierpao Marcok CristianNX Daniele Pugliesi (WMIT) AttoRenato Parma1983 Aborruso Sabas88 Lalupa DnaX Fausta Samaritani AlessioMela Patafisik Malore Jtorquy Nicholas Gemini Civvì Devbug Afnecors Susanna Giaccai FabC FeltriaUrbsPicta Horcrux Uomovariabile

  Notified participants of WikiProject Italy and @Bargioni, YULdigitalpreservation:   Done VcBA ID (P8034)Eihel (talk) 20:57, 30 March 2020 (UTC)