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Wikidata:Property proposal/Artcyclopedia ID

Artcyclopedia artist IDEdit

Originally proposed at Wikidata:Property proposal/Person

Descriptionidentifier for an artist on the Artcyclopedia website
RepresentsArtCyclopedia (Q3177776)
Data typeExternal identifier
Domainhuman (Q5)
Allowed valuesString
Example 1Marie-Guillemine Benoist (Q118810)benoist_marie-guillemine
Example 2Joan Miró (Q152384)miro_joan
Example 3Tom Wesselmann (Q703660)wesselmann_tom
Sourcehttp://www.artcyclopedia.com/scripts/tsearch.pl?t=enter+artist+name&type=1
External linksUse in sister projects: [ar][de][en][es][fr][he][it][ja][ko][nl][pl][pt][ru][sv][vi][zh][commons][species][wd].
Planned useTemplate:Arts links (Q45312151)
Formatter URLhttp://www.artcyclopedia.com/artists/$1.html

Motivation

This new Wikidata property related to art (Q27918607) would of course improve our coverage of fine art (Q219625). Thierry Caro (talk) 21:03, 17 June 2018 (UTC)

Discussion

User:Zolo
Jane023 (talk) 08:50, 30 May 2013 (UTC)
User:Vincent Steenberg
User:Kippelboy
User:Shonagon
Marsupium (talk) 13:46, 18 October 2013 (UTC)
GautierPoupeau (talk) 16:55, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
Multichill (talk) 19:13, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
Susannaanas (talk) 11:32, 12 August 2014 (UTC) I want to synchronize the handling of maps with this initiative
Mushroom (talk) 00:10, 24 August 2014 (UTC)
Jheald (talk) 17:09, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
Spinster (talk) 15:16, 12 September 2014 (UTC)
PKM (talk) 21:16, 8 October 2014 (UTC)
Vladimir Alexiev (talk) 17:12, 7 January 2015‎ (UTC)
Sic19 (talk) 21:12, 19 February 2016 (UTC)
Wittylama (talk) 13:13, 22 February 2017 (UTC)
Armineaghayan (talk) 08:40, 10 March 2017 (UTC)
Hannolans (talk) 18:36, 16 April 2017 (UTC)
User:Martingggg
Zeroth (talk) 02:21, 4 June 2018 (UTC)
User:7samurais
User:mrtngrsbch
User:Buccalon
Infopetal (talk) 17:54, 9 August 2019 (UTC)
  Notified participants of WikiProject Visual arts. Thierry Caro (talk) 21:03, 17 June 2018 (UTC)

  Comment. I'm getting doubts about including this id/link to this database/website as a wikidata identifier. The reason is that, it seems the main value of the site is being a repository or index of links to other sites where artwork is present to view or download (ie: "The Ultimate Guide to Great Art Online"), but a big amount of that links are broken or not linking the right pages (surely because its hard to maintain the 160,000 links the website advertises to have in its database). Doing a quick check in the 3 examples op put in the request (http://www.artcyclopedia.com/artists/benoist_marie-guillemine.html http://www.artcyclopedia.com/artists/miro_joan.html http://www.artcyclopedia.com/artists/wesselmann_tom.html) i find that more than 50% of the links are broken, so i ended up doubting the value of Artcyclopedia as an identifier and as a external resource site.--Zeroth (talk) 22:26, 17 June 2018 (UTC)
  • Somewhat opposed; I don't view this web site as a reliable source or authoritative with respect to art or artists. It's not tied to any institution, like most identifiers. We will eventually have lots of artist identifiers without it. Outriggr (talk) 00:03, 18 June 2018 (UTC) I would further add that much of the value of this site is in its link collections. These link targets to museums, etc., are the properties that we should be focusing on, if they don't already exist. I expect to be in the minority here. Outriggr (talk) 02:40, 24 June 2018 (UTC)
    Thierry, any comment? Nomen ad hoc (talk) 09:49, 2 July 2018 (UTC).
    This is widely used on different Wikipedias regardless of the problems mentioned above. So there is a powerful incentive to have a property here, regardless of the actual quality of the content. Thierry Caro (talk) 09:51, 2 July 2018 (UTC)
    I think we shoudnt use an identifier that lands the user in pages with half the links broken. In fact, i think its a bad idea that wikipedia pages link content there (maybe the links were added in a time where the site was better maintained?).--Zeroth (talk) 13:50, 2 July 2018 (UTC)
  •   Support David (talk) 15:11, 18 June 2018 (UTC)
  •   Support Jane023 (talk) 10:13, 25 June 2018 (UTC)
  Oppose. Per my previous comment and per Outriggr (talkcontribslogs)--Zeroth (talk) 20:29, 25 June 2018 (UTC)

@ديفيد عادل وهبة خليل 2, Nomen ad hoc, Zeroth, Thierry Caro, Jane023, Outriggr:   Done: Artcyclopedia artist ID (P5597). − Pintoch (talk) 10:01, 5 August 2018 (UTC)