Merlissimo

Welcome to Wikidata, Merlissimo!

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If you have any questions, please ask me on my talk page. If you want to try out editing, you can use the sandbox to try. Once again, welcome, and I hope you quickly feel comfortable here, and become an active editor for Wikidata.

--Emijrp (talk) 14:19, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

User talk:MerlIwBot#Bot mistakes

--Yair rand (talk) 00:29, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

Hi, ich habe den Bot jetzt mal temporär gesperrt, nachdem sich obiger Benutzer im IRC beschwert hat, dass zuviele fehlerhafte Angaben (Aliase) hinzugefügt würden, sowie der Bot zu schnell zu viele neue Seiten hinzufügen würde (davon dann eben einige fehlerhafte). RC-Spam allein kann auf diesem Wiki natürlich kein Argument sein, aber ich habe die Sperre dann gesetzt, in der Erwägung dass der Bot 1. noch kein Botflag auf Requests for permissions erhalten hat, 2. die Entwickler ja auch darum baten, noch einige Tage mit dem Boteinsatz zu warten. 3. der Bot wirklich zumindest einige falsche Aliase hinzugefügt hat, und in der Art und Weise "unbeaufsichtigt" war, dass sein Betreiber nicht direkt eingreifen konnte. --MF-Warburg (talk) 01:03, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

• Your bot is yet again performing unauthorized edits. Please stop. --Yair rand (talk) 22:15, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

API Hilfe

Hi Merlissimo, kannst du mir verraten, wie die API-Request deines Bots funktioniert. Ich kann irgendwie nicht ein Item mit Inhalt erstellen; da sagt mir die API immer, JSON wäre invalide (war es nicht). Kannst du mir bitte mal einfach die post-Daten (vorallem data) zeigen? Vielen Dank --Bene* (talk) 13:23, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

Besser wartest du noch etwas, weil sich das Format bald ändern wird. Den data-Wert zu erzeugen ist derzeit nicht wirklich übersichtlich, weil nur indizierte Listen akzeptiert werden. Mit Arras wird das bald viel übersichtlicher und vermeidet bisher nötige Mehrfachnennungen. Dies ist aber bisher nur auf den Testwiki möglich und sollte eigentlich seit Montag auch im live-Wiki mgöich sein, was aber offensichtlich noch nicht der Fall ist.

Du musst beachten, dass du in json z.B. Anführungszeichen escapen musst und dann das json-Object nochmal urlescapen. Merlissimo (talk) 10:55, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

Danke für die Antwort. Ich habe es schon hingekriegt, ein Item mit Daten anzulegen, aber wie fügt man gleichzeitig auch ein Label oder eine Description ein? Mit {"sitelinks":{"dewiki":{"site":"dewiki","title":"###"}}} funktioniert es schon, aber nur mit den Sitelinks. --Bene* (talk) 16:09, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

Einfach eine Liste mit den unterschiedlichen Teillisten erstellen {{"sitelinks":{..}},{"labels":{...}},{"aliases":{...}}} Merlissimo (talk) 18:12, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

Geht irgendwie nicht. Vielleicht funktioniert es ja, wenn die API verbessert wurde. --Bene* (talk) 19:25, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

Admin

(Sorry for the late posting. You may already know) - Hi. Your RfA has been closed and I've promoted you to administrator. Congratulations. Best regards. — MarcoAurelio (talk) 01:10, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

Please stop your bot

I have explained the reasoning for my request at the bot's page. Sven Manguard Wha? 22:10, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

Bot-related questions (API)

Hello. Thank you for explanation of interwiki conflict on Wikidata talk:Bots. I have some more questions that maybe yo could help with. I used API sandbox to look at item Q159 - Russia (Special:ApiSandbox#action=wbgetitems&format=json&ids=159). There are a lot of sitelinks here, and at the end of the list there is a set of wikis with "_" char including "be_x_old". Then there are a lot of labels too, including "en-ca", "be-x-old", "be-tarask", and more with "-" char. The questions are: is it correct? How to create sitelink site based on interwiki site (just lang+"wiki" and replace("-","_") or there is a rule)? Thank you. --Zanka (talk) 21:32, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

Yes. subdomain.replace("-","_) + "wiki".

But you could get all this info automatically my extending the queries i posted as example:

1. http://ru.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&meta=siteinfo&siprop=general&prop=langlinks&titles=%D0%A8%D1%83%D0%B3%D0%B0%D1%80-%D0%9B%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B4%20%28%D0%A2%D0%B5%D1%85%D0%B0%D1%81%29&llurl=1

   Now you know all langlinks with title AND you can extract the domain name from url attribute (llurl=1). Langlinkprefix is not always idential to subdomain (e.g. "zh-cn:" = "zh.wikipedia.org").

   Additionally this query includes "meta=siteinfo&siprop=general". You should use attribute /api/general/@wikiid as site for adding sitelinks and /api/general/@lang as language for labels/descriptions

   Information you needlater: Sugar Land/de.wikipedia.org/ru/ruwiki

2. http://de.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=query&meta=siteinfo&siprop=general&list=langbacklinks&lbltitle=%D0%A8%D1%83%D0%B3%D0%B0%D1%80-%D0%9B%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B4%20%28%D0%A2%D0%B5%D1%85%D0%B0%D1%81%29&lbllang=ru

   This is the backlink check (using the domain from above) including "meta=siteinfo&siprop=general" (same as above).

   Information you needlater: Sugar Land/de/dewiki

Using it this way you do not have to make any rewriting by yourself. So if the second query also returns "Sugar Land" which is equal to the langlink found in the ruwiki article you can create an item using wbsetitem with {"sitelinks":[{"site":"ruwiki","title":"Шугар-Ленд (Техас)"},{"site":"dewiki","title":"Sugar Land"}],"labels":[{"language":"ru","value":"Шугар-Ленд"},{"language":"de","value":"Sugar Land"}]} Merlissimo (talk) 23:05, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

Thank you. Need to digest all the info :) --Zanka (talk) 17:07, 25 November 2012 (UTC)

Hello again! I've just created new item that checks for interwiki conflict based on your schema above (see Q137919). I found out that it adds automatically Simple English label too. I don't think it is correct. Is it possible to find out these tricky wiki-languages that could be omitted automatically, or only put them manually in code one by one? If so, do you have a list? Thank you again! --Zanka (talk) 17:19, 26 November 2012 (UTC) One more thing: I check interwiki conflicts between ruwiki and others not fully between all links. --Zanka (talk) 17:20, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

Sorry, not sure you've seen my message :) --Zanka (talk) 13:46, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

I think the backlink check is ok for a minimal interwiki conflict detection. My bot is adding simplewiki labels as en-label or en.aliases (depends if en-label is already set using enwiki title) Merlissimo (talk) 14:44, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. For simple wiki it is understandable, but there are more such languages, like 'en-ca', for example. Do you have a list of all that shouldn't be used to create labels? I saw today edits like this [1] (not yours, I know). Is it ok to add all this labels? --Zanka (talk) 14:54, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

User_talk:Jitrixis#Suggestion_for_AutoEdit. Because fallback will be enabled soon, there is not need to duplicate labels using languages that do not exist as wikis. My bot only add variants (e.g. sl-ec and sr-el), but these labels are different. Merlissimo (talk) 15:31, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

Re: Labels and descriptions task force

Hi, Merlissimo! I have seen the other pages and I like your idea: the page Wikidata:Labels and descriptions task force/it would be very useful! :) I have a question concerning it: I read that your bot update this kind of pages every two days. Can I remove "done" elements or is better to wait the update of your bot? Thank you very much for your work! --Paperoastro (talk) 09:56, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

Twice a day, not every two days, except there are toolserver problems. You can edit this page, modify headings or add explanations. My bot only needs the comment marks (<!-MB-*-->) itself untouched to know the position where to insert lists. Everything between two identical comment markers is replaced on updates. Merlissimo (talk) 10:02, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

Thank you very much for the job and the explanation! :) --Paperoastro (talk) 10:41, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

Help for italian users

Hi! I see the work of your bot (it's very good!) and I want to ask you if you will release bot's scripts. I ask it because it will be very useful for me and other italian users to automate some work that we are doing in these days. If you will not release your script, I ask if you can help us with basic information to have a good bot. Thanks in advance and regards. Restu²⁰ 00:35, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

Which bot? MerlBot or MerlIwBot? Merlissimo (talk) 00:39, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for Merlissimo!

		The Wikidata Bot Barnstar
		For your great bot and the big technical knowledge which helped me a lot. Thank you and keep on the good work. --Bene* (talk) 16:12, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

französische Gemeinde

Hey könnste du in meinem Usernamensraum eine Liste von Ids erstellen (am besten als [id,id2,...] oder änlich) bei denen die deutsche Beschreibung "französische Gemeinde" gesetzt ist aber kein deutsche Label gesetzt ist. Ich würde dann meinem Bot sagen er solle überall das französischen Label übernehmen. --Sk!d (talk) 06:50, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

Ah es wäre auch gut wenn du das selbe für "italienische Gemeinde" tun könntest. Schön wäre es dann wenn du diese auf User:Sk!d/Arbeitsliste stellen könntest.--Sk!d (talk) 12:22, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

Yet another barnstar

		The GoodHeart Barnstar
		A bit late, but thank you very, very much for your help in uploading the villages of Botswana and also for making that list. Thanks a lot, I hope to return the favour to you. :) --Sannita - not just another it.wiki sysop 13:33, 16 December 2012 (UTC)

Wikidata:Wiki import task force

Hi Merlissimo! For the conflict resolved in subpages of Wikidata:Wiki import task force, the item in wikidata are update by your bot, or must be update by the user who edit the wikipedia articles? --Beta16 (talk) 09:27, 20 December 2012 (UTC)

Yes, the bot automatically removes imported articles or which have no conflict anymore. Manual removal would only help other people to not work on the same problem. Merlissimo (talk) 10:57, 21 December 2012 (UTC)

Re:import task force

Hi, I think the report is functional, and I really like the idea that all these interwiki conflicts are gathered at one place and updated regularly! The only thing that could be improved is that the page is a bit large and saving it takes some time - but this is not a big thing really. So thanks for having it done! :) --Antissimo (talk) 20:55, 25 December 2012 (UTC)

English labels with brackets

There was a bit of an issue with Sk!dbot creating English labels with disambiguating bracketed content, and apparently the bot isn't able to just fix only labels created by it. Do you think you would be able to have your bot create a cleanup list of all items with English labels with brackets, like the German one? Thanks. --Yair rand (talk) 17:01, 1 January 2013 (UTC)

Which talk page for your bot?

Do you prefer to receive messages regarding your bot at User talk:MerlIwBot or at User talk:Merlissimo? If the latter, you might want to redirect the bot's talk page. --Yair rand (talk) 02:18, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

You can use any talk page. I was not really much online within the last two weeks. So i have a long list of requests per mail and on many other wikis talk pages. I try to response to the easy ones atm. I have seen your request on User talk:MerlIwBot. My Bot never replaces valid sitelink on wikidata. But i have to check my logs to know exacly why this edit was done. I hope i can put you off for one or two more days? Merlissimo (talk) 02:38, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

The issue was that it replaced the label, actually. Don't worry about getting it done quickly; so long as the problems can be fixed automatically later, it's not a big deal. --Yair rand (talk) 02:43, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

import task force

Hi Merlissimo! In this page is possible for you to split the section "missing label" in subsection "itwiki" (items with itwiki sitelink) and "other" (items without itwiki sitelink) like "missing label and description". Thanks! --Beta16 (talk) 13:57, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

What is the reason for your request? Identifing items with itwiki sitelink or having those cases listed first? Items in the section "missing label" are linked with sitelink title if there is one (e.g. few examples on this old version). So if the link is Qxxx there is not itwiki sitelink. Merlissimo (talk) 14:06, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

Yes, I know this. But this page lists only the first 300 (maybe?) items. The items with itwiki sitelink are easier to insert the label and then, if they are listed before the others, will almost always be a subsection empty. I hope I explained clearly, if there are technical difficulties does not matter, it's not a big deal. --Beta16 (talk) 18:29, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

yes, 300. I changed that after comment on #Re:import task force. There is not a technical problem creating an additional section. But my prefered solution would be to change the sort order, so that main/related language sitelinks are listed first. Having more splited lists could confuse people. I can do the same change for missing descritpion sublist. Merlissimo (talk) 19:15, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

Well, it's ok for me. Thanks a lot! --Beta16 (talk) 20:34, 12 January 2013 (UTC)

Admin confirmation

Hello, your adminship is up for confirmation between Jan 23rd and Jan 28th. Please create a section for yourself at Wikidata:Administrators/Confirm 2013/1, and see Wikidata:Administrators/Confirm 2013 for more info. Regards, Ajraddatz (Talk) 15:59, 19 January 2013 (UTC)

Robot

Hi Dear Merlissimo. contributions your bot is Excellent;). so im here to want to help me. i will run a bot (if bot approved;)) can add and fix from fa(Farsi or Persian) language. you have any code or any idea for this? is very helpful for fa.Wikipedia. thanks--Mahdiz (talk) 18:36, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

Wiki import task force/hu

Hi! The page Wikidata:Wiki import task force/huwiki is nearly empty, but the table on the top shows "3126 missing". What does that mean? Sanyi4 (talk) 22:22, 6 February 2013 (UTC)

These are more complicated conflicts and the source of the conflict is not huwiki, but it blocks adding these pages automatically. I still don't know how to list the cause of the conflict. Internally i have graph and adjacency matrix or lists are not readable by most people. I am still thinking about this. Merlissimo (talk) 11:58, 9 February 2013 (UTC)

About you bot MerlIwBot

Hi , I see that your bot keep update interlink also in it.wiki, but we are started to delete interlink, so maybe is better if you don't update it.link. --ValterVB (talk) 21:33, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

Is there any problems keeping langlink on itwiki updated? It will not add new langlinks to pages connected to wikidata. But there are pages not connected to wikidata (like templates) and it is also possible to add local langlinks manually. Those targets can be deleted like in to past. The bot sometimes also deletes all langlinks if the wiki has wikiclient enabled and all existing langlinks are the same as on wikidata. Merlissimo (talk) 11:54, 9 February 2013 (UTC)

So if all the interlink on the pages are in wikidata you delete the wikilink otherwise you update the interlink? if I understand correctly then there isn't problem. --ValterVB (talk) 13:51, 9 February 2013 (UTC)

about other name spaces

Hi in project chat you said community decided to not adding other name spaces I checked Wikidata:Requests_for_comment/Inclusion_of_non-article_pages and there is

I belive that we have reach now a strong concensus: pages of all namespaces exept User: are allowed into Wikidata Tpt (A) (talk) 16:08, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

In my opinion me can add other namespaces except user. please add them to you bot schedule. thanks131.175.62.219 08:16, 22 February 2013 (UTC)

Diskussion/Abstimmung über Begriffsklärungsseiten

Hey Merlissimo,

im Projekt Chat wird über Regeln für BKS diskutiert, vielleicht willst du dich beteiligen. --Sixsi6ma (talk) 13:56, 22 February 2013 (UTC)

Falschreibungsseiten

Hallo Merlissimo, Falschreibungsseiten sollten nach Möglichkeit keine Wikidata Items bekommen Problematik siehe hier kannst du deinen Bot so konfigurieren das er das hier gelistete ignoriert beim Import? Gruß--Saehrimnir (talk) 15:15, 22 February 2013 (UTC)

Aus anderen Gründen wird mein Bot solche Seiten eh nie importieren. Merlissimo (talk) 01:14, 27 February 2013 (UTC)

Ar.wiki

Hi dear Merlissimo

Pleas do this request if it possible for you. Thanks&Regards.--عباس ☢ 07:18, 23 February 2013 (UTC)

Hi. it's more than 11 days--عباس ☢ 20:11, 1 March 2013 (UTC)

Wikidata:Labels and descriptions task force/fa

Hi, I encouraged fa.wiki community to be active in wikidata more :) now some of them are working on import task force/fawiki please make Wikidata talk:Labels and descriptions task force/fa we want to solve also these item's problem. thanksReza1615 (talk) 07:52, 24 February 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for creating Q750077 about The People vs. Larry Flynt

Thank you for creating Q750077 about w:The People vs. Larry Flynt. Much appreciated, Cirt (talk) 21:39, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

MerlBot

Hi. I'm the only bot operator from eswiki. I wonder if you can give me a full list of that this, not only 300 items. --Kizar (talk) 23:40, 3 March 2013 (UTC)

Labels and description for norwegian

Hi Merlissimo!

I love how your bot works, and was wondering if it's a lot of work to set up a worklist for norwegian bokmål for the task force on labels and descriptions. In the same way as you did with russian. Would help me out a lot! You're doing a great job by the way! --Kristian Vangen 11:44, 10 March 2013 (UTC)

"⟺"

Hi. I just wanna little complain about Wikidata:Wiki import task force. The character "⟺"(U+27FA) always made me inconvenient. The character always disturb me when I'm selecting text. Could you change another character in that page? Thanks. tntchn ^{Comment · Contribs} 17:29, 14 March 2013 (UTC)

Import interwikis

Can your bot Merlbot import interwikis of all subcategories of this category en:Category:Operas by year? --Vivaelcelta (talk) 20:59, 19 March 2013 (UTC)

Labels and descriptions task force/de

Hallo Merlissimo. Könntest du die Wikidata:Labels and descriptions task force/de wieder aktualisieren? Auf diese Taskforce wird auf der Hauptseite verlinkt, und deshalb wäre eine regelmässige Wartung vorteilhaft. Vielen Dank. --Pasleim (talk) 09:28, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

Übersetzungsbenachrichtigung: Help:FAQ

Hallo Merlissimo,

du erhältst diese E-Mail, da du dich als Übersetzer(in) für Deutsch auf Wikidata registriert hast. Die Seite Help:FAQ ist zum Übersetzen vorhanden. Du kannst sie hier übersetzen:

• übersetzen in Deutsch

Übersetzungspriorität dieser Seite: hoch. Frist zur Übersetzung der Seite: 2013-04-15.

Deine Hilfe wird sehr geschätzt. Übersetzer wie du helfen dabei, dass Wikidata als wirklich mehrsprachige Gemeinschaft fungiert.

Vielen Dank,

die Übersetzungskoordinatoren von Wikidata‎, 16:52, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

Gujarati Wikipedia

I don't know exactly what your bot do but I am asking for help regarding Gujarati Wikipedia. Gujarati is a state language of Gujarat state, India used by 600 million.

Language code: gu

Redirect as alias: Yes

Remove brackets and its content in labels: No

Disambiguation Page: already added

Description:

We have 15,800 articles on villages in Gujarat state out of total 22,500+ articles. They are categorised by Category: શ્રેણી:ગુજરાતનાં ગામો (means Categories:Villages in Gujarat). Is it possible to add description in Gujarati, English, Hindi and other languages you know telling a village in Indian state Gujarat based on their Category as almost 15800 are in same category needing same description. So શ્રેણી:ગુજરાતનાં ગામો will help identify in which article you should add discription.

wikipedia - description

en - a village in Indian state Gujarat

gu - ભારતના ગુજરાત રાજ્યનું એક ગામ

hi - भारत के गुजरात राज्य का एक गाँव

you can add more language descriptions as you know other languages.

I had asked Sk!d for same in past, he suggested your name for this. Is it possible? Cheers.--Nizil Shah (talk) 20:02, 13 January 2013 (UTC)

Now Its done..by Bebe..thanks..--Nizil Shah (talk) 20:11, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

Wikidata:Labels and descriptions task force/ru

Can you please update this page? Infovarius (talk) 15:53, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

Gleiches für andere Sprachen wäre auch toll. Ljubinka (discussion) 21:27, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

Obviously, Merlissimo is now having wiki-holidays. Печалька. --4th-otaku (talk) 18:02, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

Labels and descriptions task force

Hello! I know your bot was not updating the pages for Labels and descriptions task force due to the lag. Do you plan on running these again? The pages were very useful. Thanks! --Tbennert (talk) 18:48, 14 April 2013 (UTC)

Statistics

Hi, is possible update at least the statistic in Wikidata:Labels_and_descriptions_task_force#language_subpages? --ValterVB (talk) 18:18, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

A new bot list

Hi there! Per a request I have been working on a new informative bot list (that has secretly been hidden under the current list at Wikidata:List_of_bots. I think I am finished and it would be great if every botop (including you) could add your bot to the new list. I have added Addbot already and tried to make the template simple! Goodluck and if you have any problems get in touch on my talk page! ·Add§hore· ^{Talk To Me!} 20:21, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

Wikidata talk:Wiki import task force

Could you please have a look and update the missing language? I see that your last edit was March 3, but the bot is running. Thanks.--Ymblanter (talk) 18:24, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

Update request

Would you please update this regularly? Thanks: Wikidata:Wiki import task force/fawikiR0stam (talk) 23:33, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

Thanks a lot about update! I think this shows how Persian Wikipedia users care about interwikis conflicts (-62,364 on diff). I did some manual removal on fawiki page but it would be nice if the bot updates fawiki page again. Thanks –ebraminio^talk 16:37, 1 June 2013 (UTC)

Yet another update request

Hi there, it would be great if MerlBot could update Wikidata:Wiki import task force/itwiki. Thanks in advance for the huge work! --gvnn ^scrivimi! 07:22, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

Sad to notice the page is not worth an update, even sadder to notice I am not even worth an answer. --gvnn ^scrivimi! 11:45, 16 May 2013 (UTC)

Thank you very much for the update. --gvnn ^scrivimi! 10:07, 18 May 2013 (UTC)

Wikidata:Labels and descriptions task force/en

i just added a new MB-LDTF-BRACKET section, so a run would be great even with a dump. (and MB-LDTF-DISAMBIG could be removed everywhere, since it's prevented by the software) --Akkakk 08:04, 10 May 2013 (UTC)

Update

can you update this please? Wikidata:Wiki_import_task_force/itwiki Rippitippi (talk) 22:49, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

I was about to ask the same thing. :) I am aware that probably you are not active at the moment, but please let me know if you're going to update again this page. Cheers, --Sannita - not just another it.wiki sysop 15:02, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

Inactivity

Hello Merlissimo, I just sent you an email in regards to a new inactivity policy for administrator and outlined the situations. If you could email me back or leave a note here confirming the email, it would be appreciated. John F. Lewis (talk) 16:54, 23 July 2013 (UTC)

An der Stelle Danke für deinen Einsatz! Gruß, IW 11:57, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

Yes i reveived the mail. I'll be back active next month. Merlissimo (talk) 08:43, 6 August 2013 (UTC)

Hi Merlissimo. In case you hadn't noticed, I thought I'd let you know that your adminship was indeed removed in August. I apologize on my colleagues' behalf for the lack of a notification at the time. (You were the first admin to be desysopped under the inactivity policy, and we were still working out a few kinks.) Anyways, the main reason I'm here is to let you know that I've just given you rollback rights, since obviously we can trust you, and I thought you might find the extra button useful; if for any reason you wouldn't like it, please let me know. Thanks. — PinkAmpers&^{(Je vous invite à me parler)} 10:05, 10 October 2013 (UTC)

Tokyo District (Q11524638) ward area of Tokyo (Q308891)

Hallo Merlissimo, kannst Du den Zusammenhang aufklären. Mit Distrikt kann ich gar nichts anfangen. Grüße --Oursana (talk) 22:44, 20 May 2014 (UTC)

Wikinews topic cats

Hi. I realize this can be confusing (it's an unfortunate consequence of the Wikidata infrastructure, though I don't pretend to know quite how things could have been done differently that would have avoided it). Wikinews topic cats don't correspond to categories on Wikipedia; they correspond to articles on Wikipedia. That's covered at Wikidata:Wikinews/Development. There are a few other cases where certain non-mainspace pages on other sisters are associated with mainspace pages of Wikipedia (though I only know of one case where certain mainspace pages on another sister are associated with non-mainspace pages of Wikipedia). --Pi zero (talk) 16:36, 5 July 2015 (UTC)

I didn't know this page, sorry. I was only confision there are local categories not having p31:Q4167836 (is a Wikimedia category) at wikidata. Is there a property marking the difference between wikinews articles and categories like for the other wmf projects?

But that would mean that all super categegories are not connected to items that also have wikipedia sitelinks. Normally only the leaf nodes of the wikinews category tree have a corresponding wikipedia article. For wikinews super categories there may be only some list articles. So how to connect these super categories then? Examples:

• Q6576950/n:de:Kategorie:Internationaler Sportverband
• Q5612311/n:de:Kategorie:Englischer Fußballverein
• Q6111346/n:de:Kategorie:Unternehmen in Finnland

Merlissimo (talk) 07:03, 6 July 2015 (UTC)

I'm going to say much more than you probably want to hear; sorry about that.

To be clear, there are some tragic flaws in the way Wikidata is being imposed on other projects; that may sound like a change of subject, but I feel this necessary context for the sort of deep questions you're asking. Wikidata is a painstakingly detailed entity-relationship database, and there's clearly much merit in that — but by then expecting to apply the information from Wikidata in a uniform way to the various sisters, one can only damage the sisters. Even Wikipedias have some different structural choices than Wikidata; but I'll take an example from Wikinews since I'm most familiar with. En.wn has a category n:en:Category:Guantanamo Bay that covers news articles concerning the bay as a place, the US territorial control at the place, the US naval base within the US territorial control, and the detention center on the naval base. (There are other examples on en.wn of a single category covering multiple things like this, and I know I've seen an example or two on English Wikipedia too, but that one is the most overloaded example I know of.) Now, we're told that each page on a sister can only be associated with one Wikidata page, and it's understood that, de facto, all the interwikis for a page will be generated from Wikidata. But Wikidata might well have separate items for each of those four things that are all covered by one en.wn category, so that just one would have to be chosen for the en.wn page. And other Wikinewses might make different choices or might even have separate categories for more than one of them (I doubt there's much of this for Guantanamo Bay, but there's some confusion surrounding, iirc, Siberia, and Palestine, and some other places). For purposes of interwikis, the most useful thing to do, both for readers and for the projects, is to provide from each category page an interwiki to the most appropriate page on each other-language Wikinews; but by generating the interwikis from Wikidata in a naive way, the decision of Wikidata to split things up into separate items as much as possible — which is right for Wikidata — mimimizes interwikis, thus making the project pages less useful for readers, and also damaging the projects directly by reducing opportunities for readers to be guided to them by interwikis from elsewhere. (In addition to the subtle demoralization of local projects caused by loss of local control.)

Mind you, all of that damage could be avoided entirely by setting up an arrangement whereby interwikis, and anything else derived from Wikidata, are derived from Wikidata in a more sophisticated way specified on the local category page itself, probably including some sort of (streamlined) local human check before changes from Wikidata propagate to the local page. And perhaps that can be made to happen. But my main point atm is that the structure of Wikidata is likely to mismatch the structure of local projects. That one example I've given is something that happens on Wikipedia's, but it all gets much, much worse when you're dealing with a sister project that's inherently not encyclopedia-like. Wikinews is the most not-encyclopedia-like sister I know of.

It's not true, btw, that only leaf topic-cats on Wikinews correspond to Wikipedia articles. Or perhaps there's some confusion here over what is meant by a "leaf". On en.wn, at least, if an article belongs to, say, n:en:Category:Indiana, then it should also belong to n:en:Category:United States and n:en:Category:North America; that's in contrast to the more usual encyclopedic approach in which an article related to Indiana doens't necessarily relate to the country or the continent. But something similar sometimes applies to non-geographical categories. For example, Category:Sports has subcat Category:Cricket, which in turn has subcats. Each containing articles, often each containing all the articles of its subcats, and each corresponding to a Wikipedia article.

I don't have all the specific answers for you, as to how Wikidata's infrastructure is, or ought to be, arranged — though I do see that, in the larger scheme of things, there's a conflict between the infrastructural needs of Wikidata and the attempt to use Wikidata's structure as a way to automatically generate things on other sister projects (such as interwikis, atm). --Pi zero (talk) 14:37, 6 July 2015 (UTC)

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