Wikidata:Property proposal/Political Graveyard politician ID

Political Graveyard politician ID

Originally proposed at Wikidata:Property proposal/Organization

   Done: Political Graveyard politician ID (P8462) (Talk and documentation)

Description	ID for a politician in the Political Graveyard database
Represents	The Political Graveyard (Q7757656)
Data type	External identifier
Domain	human (Q5)
Allowed values	[a-z]+(-[a-z]+)?\.html#\d{3}\.\d{2}\.\d{2}
Example 1	George Washington (Q23) → washington.html#466.36.08
Example 2	James Tillinghast Archer (Q6143905) → archer.html#811.30.85
Example 3	Robert Shillingford Babcock (Q7349446) → babcock.html#416.59.73
Source	http://politicalgraveyard.com/index.html
External links	Use in sister projects: [ar] • [de] • [en] • [es] • [fr] • [he] • [it] • [ja] • [ko] • [nl] • [pl] • [pt] • [ru] • [sv] • [vi] • [zh] • [commons] • [species] • [wd] • [en.wikt] • [fr.wikt].
Planned use	import based on matching names/dates
Number of IDs in source	302,477
Expected completeness	always incomplete (Q21873886)
Formatter URL	http://politicalgraveyard.com/bio/$1

Motivation

This source has very comprehensive coverage of historical American politicians, and importantly has a lot of minor politicians who have no other external identifiers.

This source, despite being online, has no formatter URL. The URL for an entry looks like http://politicalgraveyard.com/bio/archer.html#811.30.85. The anchor, in isolation, is a stable identifier; though it isn't visible on the page, it can be easily retrieved from the source. However, the particular page (the "archer" part of the URL) has the possibility of changing every time the website is updated, and indeed seems to change frequently. Updated: this might have been a mistake Vahurzpu (talk) 19:50, 7 June 2020 (UTC)

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Discussion

ChristianKl (talk) 15:11, 24 June 2017 (UTC) Melderick (talk) 12:22, 25 July 2017 (UTC) Richard Arthur Norton Jklamo (talk) 20:21, 14 October 2017 (UTC) Sam Wilson Gap9551 (talk) 18:41, 5 November 2017 (UTC) Jrm03063 (talk) 15:46, 22 May 2018 (UTC) Egbe Eugene (talk) Eugene233 (talk) 03:40, 19 June 2018 (UTC) Dcflyer (talk) 07:45, 9 September 2018 (UTC) Gamaliel (talk) 13:01, 12 July 2019 (UTC) Pablo Busatto (talk) 11:51, 24 August 2019 (UTC) Theklan (talk) 19:25, 20 December 2019 (UTC) SM5POR (talk) 20:17, 29 May 2020 (UTC) Pmt (talk) 23:22, 27 June 2020 (UTC) CarlJohanSveningsson (talk) 12:13, 30 July 2020 (UTC) Ayack (talk) 14:39, 12 October 2020 (UTC) EthanRobertLee (talk) 19:17, 20 December 2020 (UTC) -- Darwin ^Ahoy! 18:20, 25 December 2020 (UTC) Germartin1 (talk) 03:13, 30 December 2020 (UTC) Skim (talk) 00:13, 10 January 2021 (UTC) El Dubs (talk) 21:55, 29 April 2021 (UTC) CAFLibrarian (talk) 16:36, 30 September 2021 (UTC) Jheald (talk) 18:50, 23 December 2021 (UTC)

Notified participants of WikiProject Genealogy --- Jura 14:29, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

•  Support While it is a self-published project, there are other self published projects like ThePeerage.com that have proven incredibly useful for Wikidata. It's a project of long-standing ("opened on July 1, 1996") and has a lot of potential as being useful for minor historical politicians who might not have other identifiers. Gamaliel (talk) 15:30, 15 July 2020 (UTC)
• I have some concern on the usability of a hidden identifier that can't be used as a link. But this is not enough for me to oppose the creation of this property if enough people support it. --Melderick (talk) 16:14, 15 July 2020 (UTC)
•  Support Support, but not in this form. This was on my list to create, good to see it proposed. The arrangement is similar to The Peerage, no landing page for an individual. I think we need to change the formatter in the proposal to "http://politicalgraveyard.com/bio/$1" and the ID as "babcock.html#193.34.37" so we get a clickable link. Each surname has a page and then each individual with that surname has an entry. --RAN (talk) 18:23, 15 July 2020 (UTC)
  • RAN: The original reason I didn't use the form you suggested was because they seemed to be unstable. However, when I went to find a concrete example of one that had changed, I now can't find one; I now think I may have just had a coding error. I've therefore changed the property proposal to include a formatter URL, with the caveat that it's not impossible that the IDs could shift. However, the worst case scenario there still preserves the root IDs, so a bot could re-map them if necessary. Vahurzpu (talk) 20:13, 16 July 2020 (UTC)

Are you just going to do a Mix and Match with existing entries, or load all the entries like was done with The Peerage? --RAN (talk) 00:20, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

RAN: I wasn't planning on adding everything, but honestly that might not be a terrible idea. I'll get it into Mix-n-Match first (this might take a while), and then at some future point will decide whether it's a good idea to import the rest (with community input, of course). Vahurzpu (talk) 00:50, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

• We will have to make a separate Property Proposal "Political Graveyard geographic ID" for geographic locations, see Mayor of Newark, New Jersey (Q20899061) and Mayors and Postmasters of Newark, New Jersey at Political Graveyard. --RAN (talk) 18:00, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

@Vahurzpu, Jura1, Gamaliel, Melderick, Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ):  Done Political Graveyard politician ID (P8462) Pamputt (talk) 13:36, 18 July 2020 (UTC)