Property talk:P3383
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poster used to promote and advertise this film (if file is available on Commons). Use P154 for logos, P18 for movie stills and related images. Items about film posters can be linked with the qualifier "subject of" (P805).
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P3383#Type Q11424, Q24856, Q464980, Q7777570, SPARQL
(?i).+\.(jpg|jpeg|png|svg|tif|tiff|gif|xcf)|”: value must be formatted using this pattern (PCRE syntax). (Help) (?i)((?!\b(image is needed|no free image|defaul?t\b|comic image missing|no portrait|no (female|free|male) portrait|replace this image|upload free image|falta imagen|no imagen disponible|sin foto\.|NGC 000\.)).)*”: value must be formatted using this pattern (PCRE syntax). (Help)
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P3383#Scope, SPARQL
List of violations of this constraint: Database reports/Constraint violations/P3383#Entity types
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Expand scope to "Poster"
editBasically, I think the original proposal forgot theatrical posters, and other such posters exist. It feels like "film poster" is more of a subtype, but having the scope as "poster" would allow such things as the image properties at, for example, Q2709440, Q470739, Q594492, Q3009151, Q2918663, Q926468, you get the idea - to be classified more specifically. If you don't want to look, those are all theatrical works with posters, usually from their premières, as their primary image.
This seems especially sensible since.... there's a filter which calls for this property to be used if "Poster" is in the file name. For example, from Q2709440,
- Format constraint
- The value for image (Poster for Jules Massenet's La Navarraise with Emma Calvé in the rôle of Anita.jpg) should match “please use P3383 ("film poster") instead” (regex: (?i)((?!\b(poster)).)*).
That's... Not a good regex as this stands. Film posters are a reasonably large, but hardly majority class of posters.
I don't see how the specification helps us, either. Why not expand the scope to "Poster", linking to Q429785? It'd cover everything, and if the datapoint is a film.... I think people will know it's a film poster.
Now, this is my first time proposing this type of thing. I've been told to ping everyone from the original discussion, so... @Escudero, FShbib, Jura1, Mushroom, Micru:. It was also suggested I poke any relevant Wikiprojects, but unless people think I should poke the film wikiproject, or theatre or something, this feels a bit Wikidata-specific for that. Thoughts? The alternative is to delete the regex, and/or add "Poster" as a property, with this as a subtype, but, honestly, it feels more like "Poster" is the main property here, and we could specify "film poster" with - those additional information things you can add to properties that I can't think of the name of offhand? Qualifiers? Adam Cuerden (talk) 03:12, 5 July 2019 (UTC)
- I support expand scope, I mean, change property from 'film poster' to simply 'poster'. Escudero (talk) 06:43, 5 July 2019 (UTC)
- I think we can easily change the format constraint on P18. I don't see an advantage of combining film posters with other material. The current scope make it easier to maintain. --- Jura 06:50, 5 July 2019 (UTC)
- As I said, I'm not an expert on Wikidata, but is it normal to have properties that specify like this? Because the word "film" feels like an odd inclusion. (Especially as that the poster related to a film would be immediately apparent from the fact that the item data said it was within the "film" class. I suppose we might occasionally use film posters to identify an actor, but that seems like it would be rare.) Is there any way to check if "film poster" is used outside of items of type "film", and which they are? Adam Cuerden (talk) 02:30, 6 July 2019 (UTC)
- It's pretty much only ever used on films of various types - query. Five people, two written works, and a smattering of other one-offs like cartoon characters and operas. Note that Commons has (very approximately) 9-10k posters under "movie posters", and 5-6k under "theatre posters" (counting all files in subcats, depth 4), so there's clearly a lot of potential use for theatrical material as well as film. Andrew Gray (talk) 11:05, 29 September 2019 (UTC)
- As I said, I'm not an expert on Wikidata, but is it normal to have properties that specify like this? Because the word "film" feels like an odd inclusion. (Especially as that the poster related to a film would be immediately apparent from the fact that the item data said it was within the "film" class. I suppose we might occasionally use film posters to identify an actor, but that seems like it would be rare.) Is there any way to check if "film poster" is used outside of items of type "film", and which they are? Adam Cuerden (talk) 02:30, 6 July 2019 (UTC)
Support expanding scope to "poster" more generally - I assume the vast majority of cases would be films or plays, but I can also see circumstances where we would want to use advertising posters for other material. No benefit to a new property to divide films/nonfilms. Andrew Gray (talk) 10:57, 29 September 2019 (UTC)
- Book covers could be another field, but I don't really see a benefit in mixing various types of advertisements. Is there any benefit in combing the three? --- Jura 11:09, 29 September 2019 (UTC)
- I was more thinking about eg "poster for a circus". Book covers are a whole different issue and I agree those should be a seperate property; they're not the same as posters at all. Andrew Gray (talk) 11:51, 29 September 2019 (UTC)
- Book covers could be another field, but I don't really see a benefit in mixing various types of advertisements. Is there any benefit in combing the three? --- Jura 11:09, 29 September 2019 (UTC)
- Support I support expanding the scope to any film, theatre, or event poster (film, theatre, circus, festivals, fairs, etc.) --Beat Estermann (talk) 08:21, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
- Support expanding the scope to any film, theater, event, etc. poster as well. Is there any way to move this proposed change to the property forward? Chicagohil (talk) 22:55, 15 June 2020 (UTC)
- Support + expanding. --Kareyac (talk) 10:38, 18 February 2023 (UTC)
Wikidata Infobox discussion
editThere is a discussion relevant to this property at Commons:Template_talk:Wikidata_Infobox#film_poster_images. -Animalparty (talk) 21:48, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
Showing film poster in infobox instead of image for films
editCould you please change things so that when a Wikidata item of a category on W Commons is Instance of film it shows the film poster first instead of the image if both are set? Example: c:Category:Four Sons (1928 film). Prototyperspective (talk) 20:23, 21 August 2024 (UTC)
- I don't think we can do something about c:Template_talk:Wikidata_Infobox#Show_film_poster_instead_of_image on the Wikidata side of things (other than telling people to prefer related image (P6802) over image (P18) for images that don't identify the subject). LennardHofmann (talk) 07:26, 22 August 2024 (UTC)