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film poster
poster used to promote and advertise this film (if file is available on Commons). Use P154 for logos, P18 for movie stills and related images. Items about film posters can be linked with the qualifier "subject of" (P805).
Representsfilm poster (Q374821)
Data typeCommons media file
Domain
According to this template: items for films
According to statements in the property:
film (Q11424) or film series (Q24856)
When possible, data should only be stored as statements
Allowed values
According to this template: files at Commons with poster
According to statements in the property:
|(?i).+\.(jpg|jpeg|png|svg|tif|tiff|gif)
When possible, data should only be stored as statements
ExampleNorth by Northwest (Q223139)Northbynorthwest1.jpg
Tarzan of the Apes (Q171415)Image Tarzan of the Apes poster 1918.jpg
Source
According to this template:

Commons:Category:Movie posters
WDFIST : use the option "add as ..", then scroll for the option "film poster"; takes time to load image candidates.

According to statements in the property:
https://fist.toolforge.org/wdfist/?depth=3&language=en&project=wikipedia&sparql=SELECT%20?item%20{%20?item%20wdt:P31/wdt:P279*%20wd:Q11424%20.%20?item%20wdt:P577%20?d%20.%20FILTER(%20YEAR(?d)%20%3C%201940%20)%20FILTER%20NOT%20EXISTS%20{?item%20wdt:P3383%20%5b%5d}%20}&remove_used=1&remove_multiple=1&prefilled=1
https://fist.toolforge.org/wdfist/?depth=3&language=en&project=wikipedia&sparql=SELECT%20?item%20{%20?item%20wdt:P31/wdt:P279*%20wd:Q11424%20.%20?item%20wdt:P577%20?d%20.%20FILTER(%20YEAR(?d)%20%3C%201930%20)%20FILTER%20NOT%20EXISTS%20{?item%20wdt:P3383%20%5b%5d}%20}&remove_used=1&remove_multiple=1&prefilled=1
https://fist.toolforge.org/wdfist/?depth=3&language=en&project=wikipedia&sparql=SELECT%20?item%20{%20?item%20wdt:P31/wdt:P279*%20wd:Q11424%20.%20?item%20wdt:P577%20?d%20.%20FILTER(%20YEAR(?d)%20%3C%201920%20)%20FILTER%20NOT%20EXISTS%20{?item%20wdt:P3383%20%5b%5d}%20}&remove_used=1&remove_multiple=1&prefilled=1
https://fist.toolforge.org/wdfist/?depth=3&language=en&project=wikipedia&sparql=SELECT%20?item%20{%20?item%20wdt:P31/wdt:P279*%20wd:Q11424%20FILTER%20NOT%20EXISTS%20{?item%20wdt:P3383%20%5b%5d}%20}&remove_used=1&remove_multiple=1&prefilled=1
When possible, data should only be stored as statements
Formatter URLhttps://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:$1
Embed URLhttps://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:$1
Tracking: usageCategory:Pages using Wikidata property P3383 (Q27949539)
See also (note: this information should be moved to a property statement; use property see also (P1659))
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Proposal discussionProposal discussion
Current uses
Total1,951
Main statement1,94899.8% of uses
Qualifier20.1% of uses
Reference1<0.1% of uses
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Type “film (Q11424), film series (Q24856): element must contain property “instance of (P31)” with classes “film (Q11424), film series (Q24856)” or their subclasses (defined using subclass of (P279)). (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist.
List of this constraint violations: Database reports/Constraint violations/P3383#type Q11424, Q24856, SPARQL, SPARQL (new)
 
Link to Commons namespace “File”: this property should contain a well-formed link to an existing page on Wikimedia Commons. (Help)
List of this constraint violations: Database reports/Constraint violations/P3383#Commons link, hourly updated report, SPARQL (new)
 
Format “|(?i).+\.(jpg|jpeg|png|svg|tif|tiff|gif|xcf): value must be formatted using this pattern (PCRE syntax). (Help)
List of this constraint violations: Database reports/Constraint violations/P3383#Format, hourly updated report, SPARQL, SPARQL (new)
 
Format “(?i)((?!\b(image is needed|no free image|defaul?t\b|comic image missing|no portrait|no (female|free|male) portrait|replace this image|upload free image|falta imagen|no imagen disponible|sin foto\.|NGC 000\.)).)*: value must be formatted using this pattern (PCRE syntax). (Help)
List of this constraint violations: Database reports/Constraint violations/P3383#Format, hourly updated report, SPARQL, SPARQL (new)
 
Scope is as main value (Q54828448): the property must be used by specified way only (Help)
Exceptions are possible as rare values may exist.
List of this constraint violations: Database reports/Constraint violations/P3383#scope, SPARQL, SPARQL (new)


Expand scope to "Poster"Edit

Basically, I think the original proposal forgot theatrical posters, and other such posters exist. It feels like "film poster" is more of a subtype, but having the scope as "poster" would allow such things as the image properties at, for example, Q2709440, Q470739, Q594492, Q3009151, Q2918663, Q926468, you get the idea - to be classified more specifically. If you don't want to look, those are all theatrical works with posters, usually from their premières, as their primary image.

This seems especially sensible since.... there's a filter which calls for this property to be used if "Poster" is in the file name. For example, from Q2709440,

Format constraint
The value for image (Poster for Jules Massenet's La Navarraise with Emma Calvé in the rôle of Anita.jpg) should match “please use P3383 ("film poster") instead” (regex: (?i)((?!\b(poster)).)*).

That's... Not a good regex as this stands. Film posters are a reasonably large, but hardly majority class of posters.

I don't see how the specification helps us, either. Why not expand the scope to "Poster", linking to Q429785? It'd cover everything, and if the datapoint is a film.... I think people will know it's a film poster.

Now, this is my first time proposing this type of thing. I've been told to ping everyone from the original discussion, so... @Escudero, FShbib, Jura1, Mushroom, Micru:. It was also suggested I poke any relevant Wikiprojects, but unless people think I should poke the film wikiproject, or theatre or something, this feels a bit Wikidata-specific for that. Thoughts? The alternative is to delete the regex, and/or add "Poster" as a property, with this as a subtype, but, honestly, it feels more like "Poster" is the main property here, and we could specify "film poster" with - those additional information things you can add to properties that I can't think of the name of offhand? Qualifiers? Adam Cuerden (talk) 03:12, 5 July 2019 (UTC)

I support expand scope, I mean, change property from 'film poster' to simply 'poster'. Escudero (talk) 06:43, 5 July 2019 (UTC)
  • I think we can easily change the format constraint on P18. I don't see an advantage of combining film posters with other material. The current scope make it easier to maintain. --- Jura 06:50, 5 July 2019 (UTC)
    • As I said, I'm not an expert on Wikidata, but is it normal to have properties that specify like this? Because the word "film" feels like an odd inclusion. (Especially as that the poster related to a film would be immediately apparent from the fact that the item data said it was within the "film" class. I suppose we might occasionally use film posters to identify an actor, but that seems like it would be rare.) Is there any way to check if "film poster" is used outside of items of type "film", and which they are? Adam Cuerden (talk) 02:30, 6 July 2019 (UTC)
      • It's pretty much only ever used on films of various types - query. Five people, two written works, and a smattering of other one-offs like cartoon characters and operas. Note that Commons has (very approximately) 9-10k posters under "movie posters", and 5-6k under "theatre posters" (counting all files in subcats, depth 4), so there's clearly a lot of potential use for theatrical material as well as film. Andrew Gray (talk) 11:05, 29 September 2019 (UTC)
  Support expanding scope to "poster" more generally - I assume the vast majority of cases would be films or plays, but I can also see circumstances where we would want to use advertising posters for other material. No benefit to a new property to divide films/nonfilms. Andrew Gray (talk) 10:57, 29 September 2019 (UTC)
    • Book covers could be another field, but I don't really see a benefit in mixing various types of advertisements. Is there any benefit in combing the three? --- Jura 11:09, 29 September 2019 (UTC)
      • I was more thinking about eg "poster for a circus". Book covers are a whole different issue and I agree those should be a seperate property; they're not the same as posters at all. Andrew Gray (talk) 11:51, 29 September 2019 (UTC)
  Support I support expanding the scope to any film, theatre, or event poster (film, theatre, circus, festivals, fairs, etc.) --Beat Estermann (talk) 08:21, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
  Support expanding the scope to any film, theater, event, etc. poster as well. Is there any way to move this proposed change to the property forward? Chicagohil (talk) 22:55, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

Wikidata Infobox discussionEdit

There is a discussion relevant to this property at Commons:Template_talk:Wikidata_Infobox#film_poster_images. -Animalparty (talk) 21:48, 11 January 2020 (UTC)

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