Wikidata:Property proposal/access via

access via / supply via / hinterland access via

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Originally proposed at Wikidata:Property proposal/Transportation

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Motivation

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We need a property to link a facility or structure to its ways of access. How do passengers get to an airport? And the aviation fuel (Q1875633)? How are containers transported from a port to the hinterland? Does a power plant or military base have industrial spur (Q1891817)? AFAIK, there is no property for this.
In the latter example you could use P2789, e.g. Port of Doraleh (Q3398478)connects with (P2789) : Addis Ababa–Djibouti Railway (Q20982403); but that is not possible if you have a generic industrial spur (Q1891817) that leads to a structure because P2789 is symmetric.--Geogast 🤲 (talk) 18:16, 17 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Discussion

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  Comment The examples are not very clear. Does example 1 mean Munich Airport (Q131402) access viapiping (Q3679502)type of passengers/cargo (P3437)aviation fuel (Q1875633)? — The Erinaceous One 🦔 06:41, 30 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

It informs how jet fuel gets to the mentioned airport. In this case, via pipline and via a railway line (examples 1 and 2). Geogast 🤲 (talk) 17:01, 3 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  Comment I think there are two different things being modelled here, and I'm not certain this is the correct way for either.

Indeed, I tried to cover various uses for this property.
"Receives" would be interesting, too. But IMO, it shouldn't be oneway. For instance, how is the hinterland access to a port; how does cargo get to and leave a port on the land side?
connects with (P2789) is great in the case you mentioned; this is: where there is one determined item for the access (AirTrain in this case). But you cannot use connects with (P2789) when there is a generic type for the access: industrial spur (Q1891817) or piping (Q3679502) or even footpath (Q3352369) for example.
I don't see that your two types are really two completely different things: Both of them are about how things or people reach or leave a place. Geogast 🤲 (talk) 18:52, 23 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]