Wikidata talk:WikiProject LGBT/Archive/2019

Seeking comment on WMF funding request for LGBT+ Wikidata project

See meta:Grants:Project/ContentMine/Diversitech

ContentMine is a nonprofit organization which does text mining to extract facts. They have a general system for this, and they are proposing to apply it to LGBT+ biographies and other texts. This organization is currently engaged in a similar Wikimedia-funded project, and this LGBT+ project would start around summer 2019. Right now it is seeking comment for funding, including endorsements from anyone who wants to see this happen.

I would not touch any part of the funding of this, but I have volunteered as an adviser to the project. As this is Wikidata and LGBT+ related I am seeking comment from participants in this WikiProject. Thanks. Blue Rasberry (talk) 22:33, 3 January 2019 (UTC)

No notification of the project ?

Hi, so I just proposed Wikidata:Property_proposal/Queerly_Represent_Me_identifier and tried to notify this project, but while I used the same exact syntax as the ping for the video game project, it did show me a error message (something about "this project cannot be notified"). Is it expected, or should I just blame my sleepless night ? --Misc (talk) 15:17, 11 February 2019 (UTC)

 Done --★ → Airon 90 16:34, 11 February 2019 (UTC)

Notice: Gender discussion

Project members are invited to contribute to Wikidata:Project_chat#Let's_talk_about_gender, which was brought here after this discussion at WikiProject LGBT studies (English Wikipedia). Thank you! -Another Believer (talk) 03:27, 9 March 2019 (UTC)

site personnel / personnal site web

bonjour / hello

J'écris mal l'anglais / I writting bad english.

Afin de valoriser wikidata, son contenu et les thèmatique LGBTQI+ j'ai créé un site internet personnel / for valorise wikidata and LGBTQI+valors, i create a personnal site-web

Afin de rendre lisible, j'utilise reasonator, vous pouvez donc lire plein de chose dessus dans votre langue / I use reasonator, you can read most item in your language.

adresse : grimoire-electronique-mogai.fr  – The preceding unsigned comment was added by Silanoc (talk • contribs) at 10:46, 14 April 2019‎ (UTC).

What values should we use for sexual orientation (P91)?

So I've been expanding the Wikidata records for the out athletes at 2018 Winter Olympics (Q9680) and I've seen a lack of standardisation for some pre-existing sexual orientation (P91) statements — particularly seeing both gay (Q592) and homosexuality (Q6636) for male athletes.

While there are several labels that these individuals might choose to describe themselves, we should presumably agree on a standard way of mapping those labels to values.

I'd like to propose the following:

Gender*	Orientation*	Proposed value for sexual orientation (P91)
male	homosexual	gay (Q592)
female	lesbian or homosexual	lesbianism (Q6649)
any	gay	gay (Q592)
any	bisexual	bisexuality (Q43200)
any	pansexual or omnisexual	pansexuality (Q271534)
any	queer	queer (Q51415)
any	straight or heterosexual	heterosexuality (Q1035954)
any	(any other description)	LGBT (Q17884) non-heterosexuality (Q339014)
* Current, self-described

Opinions would be gratefully received. — OwenBlacker (talk; please {{ping}} me in replies) 14:53, 17 February 2018 (UTC)

@OwenBlacker: All of these work.

There are not widespread uses in place for these terms in the way that would be useful on Wikidata. The scheme you are proposing could establish a standard.

A style of usage that I like is to distinguish culture from behavior. If someone adopts the culture, identity, and outward presentation of their sexual orientation, then mark them as gay or straight or whatever. In the less common cases where someone's sexual orientation is not obvious but somehow there is media coverage about their sexual behavior, then we put "hetero" or "homo" tags on a person as appropriate.

Probably the most common non-hetero sexual orientation is straight homosexual, where "straight" refers to culture or how a person presents themselves and "homosexual" refers to their sexual practices. For the 2018 Olympics probably if there is public information at all then it would be as you described it. For historical figures known to have same-sex sex there was no published concept of gay or straight so "homosexuality" for an orientation can work. Blue Rasberry (talk) 02:17, 10 March 2018 (UTC)

There's a conversation at Talk:Q51415 about whether queer (Q51415) should be a permitted value for sex or gender (P21) and sexual orientation (P91) and how best to handle that while still enforcing data-integrity constraints — queer (Q51415) isn't really an instance of (P31) of sexual orientation (Q17888) or of gender identity (Q48264), so Máté suggested union of (P2737) might need to be involved somehow... Opinions here or there might be useful. — OwenBlacker (talk; please {{ping}} me in replies) 11:18, 21 December 2018 (UTC)

Question around this. Is it standard practice to add one or more labels? For homosexual women, I have sometimes seen lesbian and homosexuality added as labels. Is it best to do both or has there been a more standardized practice that has developed around this? --LauraHale (talk) 11:04, 23 April 2019 (UTC)

Classification of web comics

Hi,

while crawling french wikipedia, I stumbled on Venus Envy (Q3555664), and I am not sure exactly of the property I could add to express the fact that's about transidentity. I have seen there is LGBT comic (Q61745175), but that seems to be for paper comics, not online ones and a bit too generic (I am not sure we should use subclass of (P279) for that kind of classification). I also tried to see if there is a project dealing with web comics, but the closest I found is Wikidata:WikiProject_Anime_and_Manga, not exactly the right place. Has anyone some ideas or opinions on that ? --Misc (talk) 10:21, 4 May 2019 (UTC)

• I would suggest to create a new item using subclass of (P279). LGBT comic (Q61745175) is a generic item for all LGBT comics. John Samuel (talk) 12:24, 4 May 2019 (UTC)

I think that using subclass of (P279) do not scale well. For example, if I want to express that Venus Envy (Q3555664) is about transidentity, I would have to make a specific category for that, and if there another one about lesbianism, then again. Then if that's both, this start to be complicated. --Misc (talk) 13:18, 4 May 2019 (UTC)

So, looking on Wikidata:WikiProject_Books, I am leaning on using main subject (P921) --Misc (talk) 14:45, 4 May 2019 (UTC)

Sorry, I meant, if you wish, you can create a new item 'LGBT online comic' as a subclass of (P279) of LGBT comic (Q61745175). I agree with your use of main subject (P921) to express the subject. John Samuel (talk) 14:55, 4 May 2019 (UTC)

Projet:Ecrire pour les droits/Marseille/bienvenue

Bonjour, nous proposons un projet Ecrire pour les droits

Amir (talk) 09:13, 17 June 2014 (UTC) ★ → Airon 90 10:29, 17 June 2014 (UTC) --Another Believer (talk) 15:00, 17 June 2014 (UTC) I am not terribly familiar with Wikidata, but offering my support! Gobōnobō ^{+ c} 00:25, 18 June 2014 (UTC) OR drohowa (talk) 15:37, 18 June 2014 (UTC) Blue Rasberry (talk) 13:43, 20 June 2014 (UTC) SarahStierch (talk) 16:47, 30 June 2014 (UTC) (Been adding LGBT stuff on Wikidata for months, had no clue this existed!) MRG90 (talk) 10:15, 19 August 2014 (UTC) Ecritures (talk) 16:37, 17 July 2016 (UTC) Shikeishu (talk) 22:28, 17 September 2016 (UTC) OwenBlacker (talk) 20:34, 11 March 2017 (UTC) Ash Crow (talk) John Samuel 17:33, 2 July 2018 (UTC) SilanocSilanoc (talk) 12:18, 17 November 2018 (UTC) Daniel Mietchen (talk) 22:45, 2 February 2019 (UTC) Tdombos (talk) 22:14, 27 May 2019 (UTC) Mardetanha (talk) 17:01, 13 June 2019 (UTC) Theredproject (talk) 23:41, 20 June 2019 (UTC) Davidpar (talk) 20:30, 7 July 2019 (UTC) Gerarus (talk) 13:10, 1 August 2019 (UTC) Sweet kate (talk) 16:33, 4 August 2019 (UTC) Nattes à chat (talk) 22:45, 3 November 2019 (UTC) Lucas Werkmeister (talk) Hiplibrarianship (talk) 23:05, 8 March 2020 (UTC) Jamie7687 (talk) 22:27, 6 May 2020 (UTC) Nemo 16:25, 1 July 2020 (UTC) ViktorQT (talk) 14:25, 4 December 2020 (UTC) Christoph Jackel (WMDE) (talk) 13:27, 10 December 2020 (UTC) Mathieu Kappler (talk) 15:13, 12 December 2020 (UTC) Myohmy671 (talk) 14:10, 23 May 2021 (UTC) Ptolusque (.-- .. -.- ..) 23:32, 17 July 2021 (UTC) Zblace (talk) 07:21, 24 December 2021 (UTC) Clements.UWLib (talk) 01:55, 20 January 2022 (UTC) Lastchapter (talk) 22:42, 25 January 2022 (UTC) Idieh3 (talk) 14:28, 31 Januari 2022 (UTC) Koziarke (talk) 02:47, 26 June 2022 (UTC) Skimel (talk) 23:10, 18 July 2022 (UTC) MiguelAlanCS (talk) 19:02, 28 October 2022 (UTC) Rhagfyr (talk) 20:31, 26 December 2022 (UTC) -wd-Ryan (Talk/Edits) 18:59, 31 December 2022 (UTC) BlaueBlüte (talk) 05:35, 25 January 2023 (UTC) Léna (talk) 10:52, 24 March 2023 (UTC) Carlinmack (talk) 15:02, 15 May 2023 (UTC) Ha2772a (talk) 07:04, 18 May 2023 (UTC) La Grande Feutrelle (talk) 22:44, 23 May 2023 (UTC) StarTrekker (talk) 15:24, 19 August 2023 (UTC) Samthony (talk) 12:13, 25 August 2023 (UTC) Gufo46 (talk) 17:27, 30 September 2023 (UTC) Sir Morosus (talk) 06:03, 22 October 2023 (UTC) Cupkake4Yoshi (talk) Wallacegromit1

Notified participants of WikiProject LGBT nous traitons des droits des réfugiés, demandeurs d'asile avec une attention particulière pour les personnes qui ont fuit leur pays pour des raisons d'orientation sexuelle, voici le lien vers le projet | Ecrire pour les droits et sommes demandeurs d'une liste de travail en lien avec les droits. page méta Je ne suis pas encore très au point sur les recherches sur Query Service.--Sophiedidacressources (talk) 07:51, 15 May 2019 (UTC)

Translating in english, for the non french speakers. "Hello, we are proposing a projet "Write for the LGBT person rights", we are looking at the rights of refugees, asylium seekers, with a focus on people who flee their country for sexual orientation related reasons. here is the link to the project Ecrire pour les droits and we are looking for a working list related to those rights. meta page. I am not yet familiar enough with research on the Query Services. ". --Misc (talk) 08:04, 15 May 2019 (UTC)

Also, I am going to directly answer in french on Sophiedidacressources ressource discussion page in french --Misc (talk) 08:05, 15 May 2019 (UTC)

Merci Misc, pardonne moi, je ne comprends pas l'anglais, désolée--Sophiedidacressources (talk) 09:12, 15 May 2019 (UTC)

J'ai juste dit que j'ai répondu sur la page de discussion en francais, pas de souci pour l'anglais Misc (talk) 09:14, 15 May 2019 (UTC)

Sorry, I don't speak French. [This is a simple query, which maybe could be improved

SELECT ?right ?rightLabel WHERE {
  wd:Q17625913 wdt:P527 ?right.
  SERVICE wikibase:label { bd:serviceParam wikibase:language "[AUTO_LANGUAGE],en". }
}

Try it!

--★ → Airon 90 09:22, 15 May 2019 (UTC)

Je suis un contributeur sur Wikidata et un utilisateur de Query Service. Est-ce-vous cherchez les contributeurs Wikidata pour ce projet? Voici mes contributions pendant LGBT History Month. John Samuel (talk) 11:00, 15 May 2019 (UTC)

• I cross-posted a notice to this project at English Wikipedia's en:Wikipedia:WikiProject Disaster Management and en:Wikipedia:WikiProject LGBT Studies. Great concept for Wikidata, French Wikipedia, and all Wikipedias! Blue Rasberry (talk) 16:35, 15 May 2019 (UTC)

EntitySchemas about LGBT topics

Hi, maybe you know that shape expressions are now live on Wikidata since yesterday, so I started creating EntitySchema:E57 to define what a Pride is. By now it checks some values and little by little I will change the code to make it better. I create a section in the main page of the project to list all useful schemas about LGBT topics.

PS: I just want you to know that on the status updates published yesterday I inserted a query about Pride parades in Italy. We should do that for each Country. --★ → Airon 90 06:43, 4 June 2019 (UTC)

• Please check the list here. John Samuel (talk) 11:14, 4 June 2019 (UTC)

Gender Identity should be a multi-select

I tried to change the sex or gender (P21) for McKenzie Wark (Q3195197) to reflect their self-identification on 27 Feb 2019 as a "middle aged gender nonconforming trans" person.[1]

I was able to put an end time on male (Q6581097), and add transgender (Q189125) with a start time and citation to that tweet (though it has a (!) alert that says "value requires statement constraint gender should have a statement subclass of."

I created non-binary (Q64180193), which has that same (!) alert, and was able to add it to the item, though 1) I get a lightning bolt error that says that "one-of constraint, The value for sex or gender should be one of the following: [list of genders]" 2) it has a potential issue "Potential issues single value constraint, This property should only have a single value with the same set of qualifiers for these properties: start time, end time"

Furthermore, I repeatedly got errors trying to add a reference URL, saying "The save has failed. Warning: The property sex uses only some values, and some of those cannot be used in all items. The full documentation of the property is on Property talk:P21." Though when I tried to replicate that error just now, it actually saved, so... I'm unsure what that is about.

I seek guidance on how to fix this specific data structure issue. But pulling back one level, I also seek to move towards resolving the larger issue that seems to be at play, where the gender property's rules (gender property can only have one value) seem to be in conflict with the evolving consunsus about gender (Gender Identity is a multi-select. Someone could be a "genderqueer nonbinary femme demigirl," or a "gender non-conforming transmasculine" person for example.

The even bigger issue is that sex, gender identity, and gender expression are three different things that are all aggregated in one property. But that is a bigger issue. --Theredproject (talk) 18:05, 23 June 2019 (UTC)

Right now I can only post in acknowledgement of the challenge of representing this information in Wikidata for lack of any existing model for doing this. Everyone around the world is seeking out any existing model for sharing this information, and we at least have the useful information that there is no identified prominent authority who has best practices for this clearly defined. What you present is a good model because the subject is highly articulate in the way that they want to be represented. When we sort this case we will have an example to apply for sorting other cases. Blue Rasberry (talk) 14:55, 24 June 2019 (UTC)

@Theredproject: I still do not have a solution to the issue you addressed but I have a tool to make the model more complicated.

I imagine that eventually, Art + Feminism and similar projects will be profiling groups of artists by gender. For example, input the name of a museum, and get Wikidata output of all artwork at the institution made by a female, or auction records of prices paid for art noting the gender of the artist. One of the steps toward that is a set of gender-related tags on artists and art. I am not sure how that will look in the longer term.

I was talking about your question with a colleague (Finn) and he shared this model visualization set of gender of actors in Danish movies.

• Danske film og mangfoldighedsindsats

If you had what you wanted, which is a clear way to tag gender when and how that is appropriate, then anyone would be able to do quick research anywhere else, including art, film, or in Finn + team's (including me) project for science and university profiling at Wikidata:Scholia. I anticipate that as you seek out the answer to what to do in this case, you are opening data and discussion about gender disparity in every place that Wikidata can report gender. Blue Rasberry (talk) 18:35, 24 June 2019 (UTC)

Monthly LGBT+ meetups

At meta:Wikimedia LGBT+ there is a global Wikimedia community for any project, including Wikidata, Wikipedia, Wikimedia Commons and the rest. Anyone is able to join.

This project has a monthly online meeting. The next meeting is posted at meta:Wikimedia LGBT User Group July 2019.

If anyone from Wikidata WikiProject LGBT would like to join this or future meetings then everyone is welcome. Blue Rasberry (talk) 20:27, 24 June 2019 (UTC)

2 (maybe 3) proposals that can interest the project

FYI: Wikidata:Property_proposal/LezWatch.TV_show_ID and Wikidata:Property_proposal/LezWatch.TV_actor_ID, thanks Sweet kate for proposing it.

The properties have been created. And, while I was scraping the website, I discovered there is a json API: https://docs.lezwatchtv.com/api/statistics/actors/ (and the code is even on github: https://github.com/LezWatch/lwtv-plugin/blob/master/rest-api/stats.php ). So this could be used to match the imdb link on some profile with the one in wikidata, and/or verify a few others property. I am not sure I will not have to scrap part of the website for that however. --Misc (talk) 22:46, 27 July 2019 (UTC)

@Misc: I'm in contact with the women who run the site and am working with them on getting an initial batch of data into Mix'n'Match soon. They seem very willing to be helpful. Sweet kate (talk) 16:30, 4 August 2019 (UTC)

Oh great, so I do not need to code in php to add IMDB ID and stuff in the API :p --Misc (talk) 20:05, 4 August 2019 (UTC)

Page redesign September 2019

I just redesigned this WikiProject page. To now most of the content has been on one main page. I split it into subpages, then put a set of tabs in a template at the top of each subpage for anyone to browse.

• {{Wikidata:WikiProject LGBT/tabs}} - navigational tab template
• project page in August 2019
• proposed revision in September 2019

Any comments from anyone? Here are issues which I considered:

1. Wikidata does not have much culture or precedent for designing WikiProject pages. There is no common format, and not many communities have developed their WikiProject pages. I chose some tab titles to focus attention. Someone else could have chosen other titles. There is not a community norm right now.
2. I put a "discuss" tab in the menu because I am imagining totally new wiki users coming here and that this page could be of general interest. Lots of people ask about sex / gender / LGBT modeling in Wikidata and I think this project sets precedent in mass media and the manual of style of external publications.
3. I directed all talk pages here, to the central discussion forum.

Blue Rasberry (talk) 16:10, 7 September 2019 (UTC)

I presented this redesign for discussion at meta:Wikimedia LGBT User Group September 2019. Blue Rasberry (talk) 17:31, 7 September 2019 (UTC)

It look great, thanks. I do not have much comments right now. --Misc (talk) 19:25, 9 September 2019 (UTC)

WikiProject LGBT Logo

What do you think of updating the new logo for this project page as well? John Samuel (talk) 19:19, 9 October 2019 (UTC)

I am not a huge fan of using gradiants for logo, as they tend to bring tshirt printing issues (or at least, did a few years ago), and since people did print some in the past, I guess that would be something to check. (I am also not a fan of gradiant because they usually do not render well in low res and grayscale, but maybe that's constraint we had in the project I was working on and that we do not have). --Misc (talk) 17:34, 11 October 2019 (UTC)

description of trans woman (Q1052281)

I have a bit of a disagreement with User:Gindomarlo over the English and Spanish descriptions of trans woman (Q1052281). I first outright reverted his/her changes ([2]) as vandalism, as these kind of items are very prone to vandalism and biased edits (often conflating gender and sex), without considering that the user was maybe acting in good faith here. Personally, I think the descriptions before the changes ([3]) were more precise and explained it better, while Gindomarlo's description now describes transwomen as "male, who..." which IMO is a clearly worse and less precise description than before. I don't want to start/continue an edit war and this project is probably the best place to discuss it. --Kam Solusar (talk) 17:32, 7 November 2019 (UTC)

I think we are confusing sex and gender, I already changed the descriptions to clarify that.--Gindomarlo (talk) 18:50, 7 November 2019 (UTC)

gender neutral form of label property ?

Hi,

what do people think of a proposal for a property gender neutral form of label, following male form of label (P3321) and female form of label (P2521) ? We were discussing that with Nattes_à_chat on the probléme of conveying neutrality in the infobox used on the french wikipedia, and in the context of the growing number of personnality coming out as non-binary (Q48270) (like Sam Smith (Q15123969) or Bex Taylor-Klaus (Q16832268) for recent discussions). The goal would be to use gender neutral label when applicable (aka, when one exist), and then reflect it in the various infobox code (aka, used with proper sex or gender (P21)). Since sex or gender (P21) is, as we know, a complicated topic, I prefer to ask here before starting the process (and will take a look at the argument regarding the 2 others proposals). --Misc (talk) 15:05, 21 September 2019 (UTC)

There is no "gender neutral" here. The labels, aliases and descriptions should follow the grammatical rules of the language they're written in. Grammatical gender options vary a lot across languages, see also translatewiki:Gender. However, Wikibase has a very limited support for i18n: it doesn't even support plural for units! Nemo 18:59, 7 November 2019 (UTC)

I don't really understand why we should follow grammar since grammar has nothing to do with the way a person identifies to a specific gender. This is a "state" that does not necessarily correspond to grammar.Nattes à chat (talk) 12:07, 24 November 2019 (UTC)

And I do not understand why description or aliases are being brought up, as that's not in the scope. We are talking of adding that information as a property on item like researcher (Q1650915). I explained the problem we have, and while the page you gave is interesting, it also take as a basis the idea there is only 2 genders to take in account, which is also a problem to solve (cf my initial message). But we are not trying to solve anything more than "having proper data in infobox on some wikipedia" (the french one to be precise, but I suspect more could benefit from that), because anything more would be too complex. You mention plurals not being supported, and this did remind me of a old article on the topic. Realizing that it was written 20 years ago and that the problem is still not solved make me a bit sad. --Misc (talk) 21:47, 24 November 2019 (UTC)

Splitting sex or gender (P21)

Per the discussion at the LGBT User Group meet-up in Stockholm, and the discussion at Property talk:P21#Separate fields for 'sex' and 'gender', I've finally gotten around to making the actual property proposal to split sex or gender (P21): Wikidata:Property proposal/sex. Kaldari (talk) 18:58, 6 December 2019 (UTC)

Sex or gender data model

Data model

@Funcrunch: Feel free to add to my notes here if you have any thoughts or ideas. Kaldari (talk) 12:37, 18 August 2019 (UTC)

@Megs: Kaldari (talk) 13:36, 18 August 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for the ping and thanks for working on this new data model. At first glance it definitely looks superior to the existing one. Some initial thoughts:

• Ideally I would like cisgender to be included as a parallel to transgender, rather than singling out being transgender as a "status". But I realize it is not possible to do this accurately as most cis people do not explicitly state that they are such, some trans people are stealth, etc. Also of course many people are still ignorant of the word cisgender and some will complain of it being a neologism, etc.
• I see female/male as sexes, akin to intersex, not genders; genders would be woman/girl, man/boy, and variants on non-binary (including agender). Also for some trans people (like myself) the sex and gender differ (I'm speaking of transitioned sex, not assigned sex). But I understand that would be difficult to code, especially when taking translations into account.

Sorry if this raised more questions than answers! Funcrunch (talk) 14:43, 18 August 2019 (UTC)

@Funcrunch: I agree that including cisgender as a parallel to transgender would be ideal, but it doesn't seem like it would be practical (for the reasons you mention), and would probably end up causing more problems than it's worth (i.e. forcing all transgender people to publicly declare that they are transgender if they don't want to be labelled cisgender). I don't see any reason why we would explicitly prohibit using cisgender (Q1093205) as a person's transgender status, for example, if they were notable for un-transitioning, but we shouldn't encourage it for most cases, IMO.

Regarding "female/male/man/woman", I also agree, but there are two big complications: in many languages, the distinction between female and woman, for example, may not exist. (Even in English it is quite subtle and debated.) Also, it would be nice to not have to migrate the ~2 million existing people items to new values. Kaldari (talk) 18:37, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

Listing design criteria

• There are a lot of different concerns when it comes to gender and sex. On the one hand there's a need to have an idealistic way to model gender. On the other hand there are other needs as well. The statements we have should for example make it easy for automated tools to know what pronouns they should use when describing a given person. At the moment we use depicts (P180) to link feminine (Q1775415) with female (Q6581072).
  • That's a good point. Right now, Wikidata has items for woman (Q467) and man (Q8441), but not non-binary person. Kaldari (talk) 16:03, 6 October 2019 (UTC)
• Wikidata tries to report what sources say about a given person. The examples currently are not reference based. It would be great if we specify what kind of source information should be translated into what kind of statements. This is especially important for items about people for whom we don't have many sources. ChristianKl ❪✉❫ 12:35, 12 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Sourcing is slightly outside the scope of this proposal, but do you have any suggestions for what kind of source information should be translated into what kind of statements? Kaldari (talk) 16:03, 6 October 2019 (UTC)
    • Declaring sourcing outside of the scope implies doing primary research here. Wikipedia bans primary research and while we might not ban all of it on Wikidata, we don't want to engage in primary research when there are secondary sources available.

Defining ontology on Wikidata isn't just about saying: "These are the kinds of things that exist" but about "when people say X, we model it as Y". ChristianKl ❪✉❫ 12:10, 7 October 2019 (UTC)

I didn't mean to imply that anyone should do primary research, I just meant that Wikidata already has general guidelines on sourcing that could be followed for this. In general, the proposal is neutral about what actual values should be applied to the properties, and is more focused on which properties should exist and which types of items should they be applied to. If you have specific ideas about how certain statements should be modeled into claims, I think it would be great to add that as well. Kaldari (talk) 13:40, 7 October 2019 (UTC)

Move table from users to wiki LGBT

@Kaldari: any objections? I want this conversation at Wikidata:WikiProject LGBT/gender. It is on your user page so I am asking first. I already copied and credited your table.

Thanks. Blue Rasberry (talk) 14:39, 9 December 2019 (UTC)

@Bluerasberry: That sounds great to me. I don't want to own this, I just want to move it forward. Kaldari (talk) 16:20, 9 December 2019 (UTC)

Okay, I redirected that page to here. Blue Rasberry (talk) 16:34, 9 December 2019 (UTC)