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Andy Mabbett (Q15136093)

Please give a link to an undelition requesst. --Succu (talk)

There was no deletion request, please see User_talk:Jasper_Deng#Q15136093_-_2 for relevant discussion post restoration. ·addshore· talk to me! 22:30, 6 May 2015 (UTC)
Mm, simply undo it. --Succu (talk) 22:55, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

Restoring items

Are your actions being discussed somewhere? I'd like to know. Thanks in advance, --Ricordisamoa 08:34, 30 May 2015 (UTC)

The individual actions or the group of actions? I guess the main discussion I would point you to would be Wikidata:Requests_for_comment/Redirect_vs._deletion. To avoid repeating myself I will also link you to this post. I have stopped restoring items for now so that we can discuss the actions! ·addshore· talk to me! 08:50, 30 May 2015 (UTC)
If you have no objections to this I will continue when I next find the time! ·addshore· talk to me! 20:46, 31 May 2015 (UTC)
I don't see the benefit in restoring items that were deleted way before the aforementioned policy was established, since it's extremely unlikely that someone relied upon them as permanent identifiers. --Ricordisamoa 22:23, 3 June 2015 (UTC)
It's very difficult to say for sure that nobody used them though, because there's nothing tracking usage by external projects. For example, I found around 1000 links from MusicBrainz to Wikidata which were broken, the majority of which were just things which were merged and then deleted before that policy was introduced and most of them have now been fixed by addshore. It might not be of any benefit to you, but if someone else is willing to do it (which addshore clearly is), is there a reason not to do it? - Nikki (talk) 23:03, 3 June 2015 (UTC)
Indeed, there is no reason not to do it. We gain more by having the redirects in place rather than having deleted items. ·addshore· talk to me! 23:19, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

Q404

See Wikidata:Project_chat#Q404. John Vandenberg (talk) 01:54, 30 August 2015 (UTC)

stats?

Hi Addshore, you wrote in http://addshore.com/2015/09/un-deleting-500000-wikidata-items/ :

  • "We have an accurate idea of how many items have actually been deleted due to not being notable / being test items."

Do you have stats about "how many items have actually been deleted due to not being notable / being test items"? This would be quite interesting. Does wikidata have a workflow to delete non-notable items that were deleted from Wikipedias? --Atlasowa (talk) 16:46, 16 September 2015 (UTC)

Well, I say stats... The number of items deleted due to not being notable / being test items are the current number of deleted items - 6000. If you want some more detailed stats I can probably break it down for you a bit more based on edit summaries etc. The only workflow is Wikidata:RFD ·addshore· talk to me! 17:10, 16 September 2015 (UTC)
Hi Addshore, some related quarry queries:
Best deleters on Wikidata
Why did you delete these items?
Wikidata items with removed sitelink(s)
Wikidata item redirects
Wikidata Most common deletion summaries
Deletions per day at wikidata
--Atlasowa (talk) 22:02, 16 September 2015 (UTC)

stats2

Hi Addshore,

I had a look at grafana. It seems even more technical than wdm. Is there any plan to include this type of metrics or even to reproduce the Q5 graphic that was on wdm? --- Jura 20:03, 16 December 2015 (UTC)

Hi! Can you link me to the graph you mean on wdm? ·addshore· talk to me! 20:06, 16 December 2015 (UTC)
I tried to link it on Andre's page, but I now notice that the link doesn't work. It's under "Daily RDF" > "Queries" > "Graphs" (currently the only one). Number of items with P31=Q5. --- Jura 20:10, 16 December 2015 (UTC)
So we are tracking this on the grafana graphs as well. See https://grafana.wikimedia.org/dashboard/db/wikidata-datamodel-statements specifically https://grafana.wikimedia.org/dashboard/db/wikidata-datamodel-statements?panelId=3&fullscreen . I need to make it display the item labels however! If you click on one of the item IDs at the bottom you can see the graph only for that item ID! ·addshore· talk to me! 20:14, 16 December 2015 (UTC)
Good stuff! May I suggest types to add? I know everybody loves chemistry, but we don't seem to get too many items from that ;) There is a fairly large cluster of genetics-related items. Human settlements would be another approach to some of the geographic items (not necessarily exclusive of Q56061). --- Jura 20:35, 16 December 2015 (UTC)
Actually, my initial question was if we could do a set of indicators for WikiProject Movies. They would be a bit different from the ones I do manually for WikiProject Names. --- Jura 20:54, 16 December 2015 (UTC)
If you have some more instance of IDs to add then we probably could! :) As for things for WikiProject Movies it may be better to do this on labs! ·addshore· talk to me! 21:34, 16 December 2015 (UTC)
The problem with the genetics stuff is that they are subclasses ;) For the others, if yes, I can up with a few more. It's just for wikisource that I'm a bit at loss. Maybe it should be done based on a count of wikisource only sitelinks. Labs that would be wdm? --- Jura 21:42, 16 December 2015 (UTC)
BTW, how about a new panel: statements by property (Jura1 methodology)? --- Jura 00:24, 17 December 2015 (UTC)
Statements by property could indeed be interesting *goes to make sure it is not already there*... Indeed it is not! Added to my post it note collection! :) ·addshore· talk to me! 10:34, 17 December 2015 (UTC)

String -> identifier conversion

Hi Addshore, I was looking at User:Addshore/Identifiers. You probably need a list of obvious identifiers, obvious not identifiers and the area in between. Based on that people can provide input. If you are going to convert the current list it's not going to work out. Multichill (talk) 22:06, 2 February 2016 (UTC)

Per Lydia's last comment on [1] we have split the page into sections now to make it more clear what has been reviewed and what will likely be switched. Also before the switch we will specificy exactly what will be moved and when! ·addshore· talk to me! 11:27, 3 February 2016 (UTC)

Unblock of User:Dispenser

Hi Addshore. I am significantly concerned about your unblock of User:Dispenser, given 1) the growing consensus on the talk page to keep the block intact, and 2) that Dispenser has not committed to refrain from the controversial behavior (at least the posting of personal/sensitve information). Also, I am disappointed that I was not consulted before unblocking, as that is standard practice on most major Wikimedia sites. Could you please explain? Thanks. Rschen7754 18:38, 16 March 2016 (UTC)

Hey User:Rschen7754! You had already stated that you would "not be reviewing this block request". As a totally uninvolved party I read all of the comments on the page, as well as looking at the events surrounding the block and talking with other involved parties. As said in the unblock reason these appeared to be a lack of malice and also the consequences seemed unexpected.
One of the things that I did not mention in the unblock reason was the warning given to User:Dispenser and shortly after the block, when of course Dispenser had had no time, when prompted, to consider the ramifications of his actions.
As suggested in the unblock message Dispenser should probably stay away from editing of this sort until some kind of discussion has taken place to gather consensus on these kinds of items in the future. I have no doubt that if Dispenser edits in such a way again before a discussion has taken place they will be indefinitely blocked, I would even defend such a block, but lets assume a bit of good faith here.
Also regarding the issue of items about Wikimedians as a whole there are many more examples on Wikidata where similar edits have been made (maybe not so close together or by the same person) and the community has not remarked, thus we should take this opportunity to discuss.
·addshore· talk to me! 19:01, 16 March 2016 (UTC)
That sounds like a good rationale for a repeat vandal, but in this case the privacy of editors that could affect them in real life is at stake. It's worse than even being blocked wrongly, because once something private is revealed, the damage is already done and cannot be undone.
There are over 16 million items on this site, much more than even enwiki, and the existence of a few controversial ones is likely to go unnoticed. I wouldn't give much weight to nobody objecting to them. --Rschen7754 01:41, 17 March 2016 (UTC)
I don't know where exactly in what I have said you find a rationale for a repeat vandal, I see the opposite..
The notability of all of the items of course could be argued (but I don't want to get into that).
Privacy is of course important, but in terms of data and oversight there needs to be a distinction between private information, publicly private information and openly public information. In theory if Dispenser had actually referenced all of the data that they added to the items would the reaction be different? If it is referenced then it is presumably public, but naturally there would still be objections to the data now being semantically tied together.
As said before discussion should defiantly happen about the issue, but Dispenser's talk page is not the correct location for that (and neither is mine), possibly an RFC covering everything involved? Another thing to discuss would be future blocks surrounding this same issue, Wikidata:Blocking_policy actually seems to lack a reason matching up to the block. ·addshore· talk to me! 09:05, 17 March 2016 (UTC)

Deleting my userpage

Hello, could you please remove my user page ? My meta's userpage will be displayed instead. Thanks Archi38 (talk) 11:17, 21 April 2016 (UTC)

@Archi38: I've done it for you. Jared Preston (talk) 11:19, 21 April 2016 (UTC)
Thanks Archi38 (talk) 11:20, 21 April 2016 (UTC)

References in cast members

Hi, Addshore

I've seen that you added a lot of references for cast member (P161) in Iron Man (Q192724). According to Help:Sources/Items_not_needing_sources#When_the_item_itself_is_a_source_for_a_statement, it's not necessary because the movie itself is the source (via end credits).

--Escudero (talk) 15:06, 21 April 2016 (UTC)

Interesting, semantically that should still be represented somehow. ·addshore· talk to me! 15:09, 21 April 2016 (UTC)

Invitation to Wikidata user study

Dear Addshore,
I am a researcher of the Web and Internet Science group of the University of Southampton.
Together with a group of other researchers from the same University, we are currently conducting a research aiming to discover how newcomers become full participants into the Wikidata community. We are interested in understanding how the usage of tools, the relationships with the community, and the knowledge and application of policy norms change from users' first approach to Wikidata to their full integration as fully active participants.
This study will take place as an interview, either by videotelephony, e.g. Skype, phone, or e-mail, according to the preference of the interviewees. The time required to answer all the questions will likely be about an hour. Further information can be found on the Research Project Page Becoming Wikidatians: evolution of participation in a collaborative structured knowledge base.
Any data collected will be treated in the strictest confidentiality, no personal information will be processed for the purpose of the research. The study, which has submission number 20117, has received ethical approval following the University of Southampton guidelines.
We aim at gathering about 20 participants, chosen among experienced Wikidata users who authored a large number of contributions.
Should you be interested in taking part or wish to receive further information, you can contact us by writing to the e-mail address ap1a14+wikidata_user_study@ecs.soton.ac.uk.
Thank you very much, your help will be much appreciated!
--Alessandro Piscopo (talk) 08:46, 26 May 2016 (UTC)

wikibase-api

I started to use your wikibase-api for a tool I made and ran into the problem that my edit summary wasn't used. Found out that in RevisionSaver.php the passed editInfo was always overwritten. I fixed it myself in the code of RevisionSaver.php and wanted to create a pull request on Github noticing it was already fixed there. I installed the latest version of wikibase-api (0.6.0) using composer yesterday. So I think you need to update your composer package. Also noticed the 0.6 release on Github also contains the outdated version of the RevisionSaver. Could you update the composer package? Mbch331 (talk) 06:27, 3 July 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for your message Mbch331! I have released 0.7 now that I assume has the fix you need! ·addshore· talk to me! 19:00, 4 July 2016 (UTC)

human edits flagged as being bot edits

Just to let you know that all your edits that appear on my watchlist are being flagged as bot edits, including ones which are distinctly unbotlike such as [2]. Thryduulf (talk) 18:36, 13 July 2016 (UTC)

You've had the flood flag on since June 28. This is a direct violation of Wikidata:Flooders. --Rschen7754 18:49, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
@Thryduulf: Interesting, I was actually unaware that the flood flag would set edits through the regular UI as bot edits, otherwise I would have removed the flag before replying to those sections!
@Rschen7754: I have stopped and removed the flood flag for now to discuss. I don't see anything in the policy that explicitly says there is a time period after which a flag would be classed as permanent (thus a bot flag being needed). I admit that these edits have been taking allot longer than expected but I would still not personally say the flag is permanent, but perhaps it is time to move this to a bot / flood account. ·addshore· talk to me! 18:59, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
Well, the issue is that every edit you made (including your comments) since June 28 was marked as a bot edit, which is against policy. --Rschen7754 00:20, 14 July 2016 (UTC)
Yep, which is 8 edits and is totally my bad, as said above I would have assumed that unless you marked an edit with the bot flag it would remain a regular edit. You can see in the rights log for things like this I do generally set and remove the flag. ·addshore· talk to me! 08:00, 14 July 2016 (UTC)

Addbot 5 marking dates with less-than-likely calendars

I have added a comment to Phabricator task T105100. It would be helpful if you would state what date range the bot will consider when marking dates that claim to be in the Gregorian calendar, but probably should be in the Julian calendar, and vice versa. The ranges of interest would be

  1. The earliest and latest dates the calendar can, or will, operate on (13,800,000,000 BCE to 5,000,000,000 CE, or something a bit narrower). If you want a suggestion, I suggest considering dates on or after January 1, 4713 BC, proleptic Julian calendar (November 24, 4714 BC, in the proleptic Gregorian calendar). This is the beginning of the w:Julian day system of numbering days.
  2. The range of dates that ought to be Gregorian (perhaps beginning 1924, the first full year Greece switched from the Julian to the Gregorian calendar, for government purposes)
  3. The range of dates that ought to be Julian (perhaps the last such date should be 4 October 1582 Julian).

Will the bot be checking for anything beyond whether the calendar choice for the year, or will it also check for impossible dates too (for example, 29 February 1700, is valid in the Julian calendar but not the Gregorian)?

Jc3s5h (talk) 17:05, 12 September 2016 (UTC)

Hey! I'll comment on the ticket! :) ·addshore· talk to me! 17:59, 12 September 2016 (UTC)

Gregorian date before 1584

Concerning amendments 2 questions: 1. Why "Gregorian date before 1584", when the Gregorian calendar was introduced from 15 October 1582. 2. Why is the date before 1582 are marked as Gregorian? Boat made thousands of edits. --Kalendar (talk) 09:45, 11 October 2016 (UTC)

Hi there! Please see the phabricator task @ https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T105100 as the whole process & selection etc are described and discussed there & in joining tickets. ·addshore· talk to me! 09:55, 11 October 2016 (UTC)

Query

Hello Addshore. Hope that you're ok. I was wondering which script you used to perform the eswiki interwiki cleanup and migration. I've searched at the PWB scripts but I don't think it's there, so I'm using interwikidata.py to clean interwiki links on newly created wikis, but it does not seem to be doing the same job as your script. Thanks in advance for your help. Best regards, — MarcoAurelio (talk) 11:22, 11 November 2016 (UTC)

Hi there! I'm afraid I don't have a copy of the code any more :/ There might be one floating around but I do not know of its location! Indeed I did not use pywikibot, but my own PHP script. ·addshore· talk to me! 12:04, 11 November 2016 (UTC)
Hi there as well. Thanks for your fast reply. I'll stick with interwikidata.py then :) Regards, — MarcoAurelio (talk) 14:16, 11 November 2016 (UTC)

Geoloc problem

Hi,
We find at least one problem with geoloc added by Addbot. Google Maps seems to have it right.
Can you say to us where did your bot take the geoloc coordinates ? Do you know if your bot have put another problematics geoloc coordinates elsewhere ? Simon Villeneuve (talk) 20:36, 15 November 2016 (UTC)

Hi! All coordinates added by addbot were imported from wikipedias. You can see this in the following diff https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?title=Q2129957&type=revision&diff=63856054&oldid=35031195 If there were other value incorrect on Wikipedia then it is possible that the bot added more incorrect data. Also note the bot no longer add coordinate locations. ·addshore· talk to me! 11:34, 16 November 2016 (UTC)


Huggle warning messages

Hope you dont mind, I imported nr1-4 of the warnings from enwiki. Just 1 smaller problem, the absense of a Help page here which explains the term revert, why thats a red link. Othervise, it seems to work pretty well, for nr 1 also made a conditional welcome mess, in case noone exist, when executing warning 1. Dan Koehl (talk) 02:27, 23 January 2018 (UTC)

commitment

Hi, I’m interested to know more about meta:Commitment scheme but the link is broken. author  TomT0m / talk page 10:35, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

Where did you find that link? ·addshore· talk to me! 12:31, 29 January 2018 (UTC)
It's on your talkuser page. -- 2001:A62:801:6D01:88A9:4753:8180:F891 21:21, 4 May 2018 (UTC) (some other user)
It looks like the link should actually be to enwiki, en:wp:Commitment_scheme ·addshore· talk to me! 08:00, 5 May 2018 (UTC)
Fixed in https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?diff=674521489&oldid=623519470&title=User:Addshore&type=revision&diffmode=source ·addshore· talk to me! 08:05, 5 May 2018 (UTC)


Congratulations, Dear Administrator!

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An offering for our new administrator from your comrades... (our gift is better than the one at Commons or Meta)

You have your gun; now here's your badge: {{User admin}}/{{#babel:admin}} and {{Admin topicon}}. Enjoy!

Congratulations! You now have the rights of administrator on Wikidata. Please take a moment to read the Wikidata:Administrators page and watchlist related pages (in particular Wikidata:Project chat, Wikidata:Requests for comment, and Wikidata:Administrators' noticeboard), before launching yourself into page deletions, page protections, account blockings, or modifications of protected pages.

Please feel free to join us on IRC: #wikidata-admin @ irc.freenode.net. If you need access, you can flag someone down at @ irc.freenode.net. You may find Wikidata:Guide to Adminship to be useful reading. You may also want to consider adding yourself to meta:Template:Wikidata/Ambassadors, and to any similar page on your home wiki if one exists. (Check Wikipedia:Wikidata/Wikidatans (Q14964498).)

Please also add/update the languages you speak to your listing at Wikidata:List of administrators. You may also like to add your username to this list if you would not like that items you delete at RfD get marked as deleted automatically. Again, welcome to the admin corps!

Lymantria (talk) 06:59, 23 May 2018 (UTC)

Thanks! :) ·addshore· talk to me! 07:49, 23 May 2018 (UTC)

Huggle welcome message

Hope you dont mind, I imported Wikipedia:Huggle/Message from enwiki for the Wikidata:Huggle/Message.

I have been using Huggle pretty intensively lately, seems to work just fine except for that it doesnt reach above waning messages level two, please see User_talk:79.20.94.210, and the user talk page history. Dan Koehl (talk) 03:03, 12 September 2018 (UTC)

Interesting, Ping @Petrb: ·addshore· talk to me! 06:06, 12 September 2018 (UTC)

References

You gave a reference to the journalist Tom Bower (Q7815020) and this was wrong. Now you give the same reference for the actor Tom Bower (Q354031). Why giving references? -- MovieFex (talk) 10:29, 28 October 2018 (UTC)

Hi there. This edit happened while trialing an automated script for adding references. The script only looked at the text name / label of the statement, and didn't look at any further item statements. I haven't worked on the script in a year or so now so it isn't being used, but I'll leave a note next to it saying that it should also check more details of the items. ·addshore· talk to me! 10:38, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

P:P5008 vs P:P6104

on focus list of Wikimedia project (P5008) takes values which are topic lists or catalogues, while maintained by WikiProject (P6104) takes values which are WikiProjects. We seem to be fine with the logical difference between the two. Deryck Chan (talk) 10:58, 9 November 2018 (UTC)

Film cast

Hi Addshore,

When working on a filmography, I noticed that recent films hardly had any actors listed beyond Nicolas Cage. Recalling some clever imports you did some time ago, I was wondering if you could re-run the scripts. --- Jura 10:06, 16 December 2018 (UTC)

Hmm, I have never had anything that imports statements themselves, only something that adds references to statements that already exist! Those efforts were documented at https://addshore.com/2015/12/wikidata-references-from-microdata/ ·addshore· talk to me! 10:45, 17 December 2018 (UTC)
Oh .. I do find them useful. Sometimes it allows to spot a name that shouldn't be in there or could use more refs. --- Jura 10:43, 18 December 2018 (UTC)
I should really have a god at breathing some life into that script again. I could set it up in a similar way to fatameh tool and just provide an API that users can send an entity ID to, then the script would just add the references that it can. ·addshore· talk to me! 11:58, 18 December 2018 (UTC)
It might be relatively high maintenance if it should work for any user and multiple websites. A field where this might need improvement are voice actors for animated films. I think @Valentina.Anitnelav: moves them frequently. The other day I learned to use the api to move people from cast member (P161) to "talk show guest" in one call, maybe the same could be done for these. --- Jura 06:28, 20 December 2018 (UTC)

Admin inactivity

Hello! Unfortunately, you have not made the required 5 admin/property creator actions in the last six months, and per WD:A your admin rights were removed. Thanks for your service in the past. --Rschen7754 01:08, 4 July 2019 (UTC)

Yup, I'm travelling for 6 months. Bound to happen. I'll be back! ·addshore· talk to me! 01:39, 4 July 2019 (UTC)


WbStack

Hello Adam,

I have seen your present to Wikidata Birthday was WbStack. What for a kind of company is this. I think it is a good thing that it is easy to create a Wikibaseinstance with that thing. I think you should look that a big profit is not the most important thing of such a hosting company offering hosting of a free software and you think about where Wikibase could be used. I think it could be used at schools and other institutions and if there are ways to transfer the data easily to another Wikibaseinstance then it can also help Wikidata. -- Hogü-456 (talk) 21:13, 27 October 2019 (UTC)

Hi!
Right now it is not a company, just a proof of concept demo, but discussion are happening trying to determine the future of the project :) ·addshore· talk to me! 11:53, 3 December 2019 (UTC)

Invitation code of WBStack

Can you please send me an invitation code? Higa4 (talk) 10:56, 22 November 2019 (UTC)

  Done via email. ·addshore· talk to me! 11:51, 3 December 2019 (UTC)

Invitation code for WbStack

Hello Addshore! I'm willing to create a Wikibase instance for genealogy research. Could you give me an invitation code for WbStack, please? Thanks! -Theklan (talk) 08:03, 3 December 2019 (UTC)

  Done via email ·addshore· talk to me! 11:51, 3 December 2019 (UTC)

Wikiproject COVID-19 meeting (Monday 20th)

Hello Addshore,

How are you doing? Tomorrow (on Monday 20th ) we will have an open group in Google Meet to discuss the directions of the WikiProject COVID-19 and decide priorities to better organize the next steps.

You are more than invited to join us if you would like (and have the time) !

The call is scheduled for tomorrow 15 UTC, in this link: https://meet.google.com/tar-ufru-syb

You can find more about it, and perhaps add your name to the list, here: Wikidata:WikiProject_COVID-19/Project_meeting

Thank you very much!

All the best,

TiagoLubiana (talk) 00:02, 20 April 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for the message, I have added it to my cal! ·addshore· talk to me! 00:06, 20 April 2020 (UTC)


Call Wikiproject COVID-19 tomorrow (Monday, May 18th)

Hello Adam,

How are you doing? I have actually just updated the last invitation :).

I can imagine you have been busy, but I am here to invite you for the Wikiproject COVID-19 call tomorrow (Monday, May 4th). If you are able to meet, the call (in this link: https://meet.google.com/vtp-ighz-npx) will happen tomorrow at 15:00 UT.

As a note, 15:00 UTC is:

  • 11:00 AM in New York, USA
  • 12:00 AM in São Paulo, Brazil
  • 4:00 PM in Tunisia
  • 6:00 PM Eastern European Summer Time (EEST)

If you want, also feel free to add topics at the meeting page.

Thanks!

Cheers, TiagoLubiana (talk) 23:31, 17 May 2020 (UTC)

Invitation for the WikiProject COVID-19 call tomorrow (Monday, 15 of June)

Hello Adam,

How are you? I hope things are all right.

I am sure you have been tremendously busy, but I would neverthless like to invite you to the tomorrow (Monday, 15 of June) call of the Wikiproject COVID-19 at 15:00 UTC .

This is the link for the call: https://meet.google.com/vtp-ighz-npx

This is the link for the etherpad: https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/wikidata_covid_notes

The WikiProject seems to be losing momentum. Perception of the size of COVID-19 as an enormous problem is fading (at least in Brazil). That might be a sign of things getting better, but it is also very dangerous (as they might not be that better yet).

In tomorrow's call, I would like to discuss with you two important and related questions:

- How can this WikiProject best serve the anti-COVID-19 effort?

- What can this project offer for the post-COVID-19 Wikidata world?

As usual, if you have any topics to add, you can do so either before at the Project Meeting Page or at the meeting. or at the meeting.

I hope you can make it!

All the best,

Tiago

TiagoLubiana (talk) 00:43, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

Hey @TiagoLubiana:! Sorry I havn't been able to find the time recently! :( ·addshore· talk to me! 22:24, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
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