Wikidata:Property proposal/towards
towards edit
Originally proposed at Wikidata:Property proposal/Transportation
Description | The terminus or termini of a transportation line or service in the direction of the adjacent station. Qualifier only |
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Data type | Item |
Allowed values | items with instance of (P31) → station (Q719456) (or its children, such as railway station (Q55488)) |
Example | Central Station (Q15166) <adjacent station (P197)> Admiralty station (Q15167), qualifier <[towards]> Tsuen Wan station (Q838783) |
Robot and gadget jobs | Replace uses of direction (P560) as qualifier, where value is instance of station (Q719456) or a subclass, with this property as qualifier |
See also | adjacent station (P197), Wikidata:Property proposal/rail direction |
- Motivation
Basically, direction (P560) is used (and has been used for some time) as a qualifier (for adjacent station (P197)) with both railway stations and cardinal directions as value, and it could use some cleaning up. (The talk page indicates that only the 16 cardinal and intercardinal directions are supposed to be used.) This could be fixed by a bot; any values which are public transport stations could be changed to the new property. See also discussion here. Jc86035 (talk) 16:15, 13 January 2017 (UTC)
- Discussion
Pinging Mahir256 and Jc3s5h. Jc86035 (talk) 16:15, 13 January 2017 (UTC)
- If the domain of the property is defined this narrowly the property name should reflect the narrow domain. ChristianKl (talk) 10:18, 22 February 2017 (UTC)
- @ChristianKl: Would "towards terminus" or "towards route terminus" be better? Jc86035 (talk) 13:40, 27 February 2017 (UTC)
- Yes, "towards route terminus" sounds better to me. ChristianKl (talk) 13:49, 27 February 2017 (UTC)
- "towards route terminus" wouldn't work for circular services, e.g. Kinning Park subway station (Q1804696) uses Inner Ring Road (Q13388955) and Outer ring road (Q13388740) as qualifiers to adjacent station (P197). Thryduulf (talk) 09:01, 12 April 2017 (UTC)
- @Thryduulf: If they don't have a timetabled terminus I think they probably wouldn't use this property anyway, since they don't really have a "towards". It might help to make a "via" property, if there isn't one already. Jc86035 (talk) 14:03, 12 April 2017 (UTC)
- @Jc86035: Kinning Park subway station (Q1804696) for example, does - ⟨ Kinning Park subway station (Q1804696) ⟩ adjacent station (P197) ⟨ Shields Road subway station (Q1804600) ⟩. We do have a via property, via (P2825), but this is intended only for journeys (items should have both start point (P1427) and destination point (P1444) claims). Thryduulf (talk) 18:30, 12 April 2017 (UTC)
direction (P560) ⟨ Inner Ring Road (Q13388955) ⟩- @Thryduulf: Should there also be a "route via" property for routes? (This could also be useful for routes like the Northern line (Q214793) which have two branches in the middle. Feel free to tack another proposal template on to the templates above instead of making another property proposal page if you so wish, I guess.) Jc86035 (talk) 18:36, 12 April 2017 (UTC)
- "Route via" seems sensible on the face of things. I'll give it a bit more thought before proposing anything though. Thryduulf (talk) 22:24, 14 April 2017 (UTC)
- @Jc86035: Kinning Park subway station (Q1804696) for example, does -
- @Thryduulf: If they don't have a timetabled terminus I think they probably wouldn't use this property anyway, since they don't really have a "towards". It might help to make a "via" property, if there isn't one already. Jc86035 (talk) 14:03, 12 April 2017 (UTC)
- How about "destination", or "route destination"? And for the circular route argument split to "route via"? --Wanderer28 (talk) 02:58, 25 January 2018 (UTC)
- @ChristianKl: Would "towards terminus" or "towards route terminus" be better? Jc86035 (talk) 13:40, 27 February 2017 (UTC)
- Question how would this work for one-way-only stations like Qinglongqiao railway station (Q5963337)? --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 15:15, 21 April 2017 (UTC)
- @Liuxinyu970226: I hadn't thought about that. Just a thought, but possibly the qualifier could have no value to indicate that vehicles on the route or line don't pass the station in that direction (and this could be read by some future version of Template:S-line (Q12671420) as one-way operation). It would probably work better with services than lines. Jc86035 (talk) 17:42, 21 April 2017 (UTC)
- Support I suppose actual statements of support will get this property created faster. Mahir256 (talk) 06:07, 19 August 2017 (UTC) Notified participants of WikiProject Railways
- @Mahir256: I think work on getting the name right is what's required for getting this created. The current name doesn't incidate the small domain and Thryduulf considers "towards terminus" and "towards route terminus" not to work. ChristianKl (talk) 10:10, 30 October 2017 (UTC)
- Support might help sort out the station items.
--- Jura 12:19, 22 March 2018 (UTC)
@Jc86035, Mahir256, ChristianKl, Thryduulf, Wanderer28:@Liuxinyu970226, Jura1:
Notified participants of WikiProject Railways After more than a year... Done --Micru (talk) 07:04, 15 April 2018 (UTC)