Wikidata:Property proposal/towards

towards edit

Originally proposed at Wikidata:Property proposal/Transportation

   Done: towards (P5051) (Talk and documentation)
DescriptionThe terminus or termini of a transportation line or service in the direction of the adjacent station. Qualifier only
Data typeItem
Allowed valuesitems with instance of (P31)station (Q719456) (or its children, such as railway station (Q55488))
ExampleCentral Station (Q15166) <adjacent station (P197)> Admiralty station (Q15167), qualifier <[towards]> Tsuen Wan station (Q838783)
Robot and gadget jobsReplace uses of direction (P560) as qualifier, where value is instance of station (Q719456) or a subclass, with this property as qualifier
See alsoadjacent station (P197), Wikidata:Property proposal/rail direction
Motivation

Basically, direction (P560) is used (and has been used for some time) as a qualifier (for adjacent station (P197)) with both railway stations and cardinal directions as value, and it could use some cleaning up. (The talk page indicates that only the 16 cardinal and intercardinal directions are supposed to be used.) This could be fixed by a bot; any values which are public transport stations could be changed to the new property. See also discussion here. Jc86035 (talk) 16:15, 13 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion

Pinging Mahir256 and Jc3s5h. Jc86035 (talk) 16:15, 13 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

If the domain of the property is defined this narrowly the property name should reflect the narrow domain. ChristianKl (talk) 10:18, 22 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@ChristianKl: Would "towards terminus" or "towards route terminus" be better? Jc86035 (talk) 13:40, 27 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
"towards route terminus" wouldn't work for circular services, e.g. Kinning Park subway station (Q1804696) uses Inner Ring Road (Q13388955) and Outer ring road (Q13388740) as qualifiers to adjacent station (P197). Thryduulf (talk) 09:01, 12 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@Thryduulf: If they don't have a timetabled terminus I think they probably wouldn't use this property anyway, since they don't really have a "towards". It might help to make a "via" property, if there isn't one already. Jc86035 (talk) 14:03, 12 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@Jc86035: Kinning Park subway station (Q1804696) for example, does - . We do have a via property, via (P2825), but this is intended only for journeys (items should have both start point (P1427) and destination point (P1444) claims). Thryduulf (talk) 18:30, 12 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@Thryduulf: Should there also be a "route via" property for routes? (This could also be useful for routes like the Northern line (Q214793) which have two branches in the middle. Feel free to tack another proposal template on to the templates above instead of making another property proposal page if you so wish, I guess.) Jc86035 (talk) 18:36, 12 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
"Route via" seems sensible on the face of things. I'll give it a bit more thought before proposing anything though. Thryduulf (talk) 22:24, 14 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
How about "destination", or "route destination"? And for the circular route argument split to "route via"? --Wanderer28 (talk) 02:58, 25 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  Question how would this work for one-way-only stations like Qinglongqiao railway station (Q5963337)? --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 15:15, 21 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@Liuxinyu970226: I hadn't thought about that. Just a thought, but possibly the qualifier could have no value to indicate that vehicles on the route or line don't pass the station in that direction (and this could be read by some future version of Template:S-line (Q12671420) as one-way operation). It would probably work better with services than lines. Jc86035 (talk) 17:42, 21 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  Support I suppose actual statements of support will get this property created faster. Mahir256 (talk) 06:07, 19 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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  Notified participants of WikiProject Railways

@Jc86035, Mahir256, ChristianKl, Thryduulf, Wanderer28:@Liuxinyu970226, Jura1:

Multichill (talk) Thryduulf (talk) 21:38, 2 November 2013 (UTC) -revi (talkcontribslogs)-- 01:13, 3 November 2013 (UTC) (was Hym411) User:JarrahTree (talk) 06:32, 3 November 2013 (UTC) A.Bernhard (talk) 08:28, 9 November 2013 (UTC) Micru (talk) 12:36, 9 November 2013 (UTC) Steenth (talk) YLSS (talk) 13:59, 25 November 2013 (UTC) Konggaru (talk) 12:31, 14 December 2013 (UTC) Elmarbu (talk) 21:48, 17 December 2013 (UTC) Nitrolinken (talk) 16:30, 14 February 2014 (UTC) George23820 Talk‎ 17:39, 17 August 2014 (UTC) Daniele.Brundu (talk) 21:34, 30 August 2015 (UTC) Dannebrog Spy (talk) 16:13, 9 December 2015 (UTC) Knoxhale 18:39, 26 June 2016 (UTC) happy5214 22:48, 8 July 2016 (UTC) Jklamo (talk) 07:32, 15 August 2016 (UTC) Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits DarTar (talk) 16:36, 5 September 2016 (UTC) Pizza1016 (talk | contribs) 01:33, 10 November 2016 (UTC) Sascha GPD (talk) 23:00, 1 February 2017 (UTC) Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 09:09, 2 February 2017 (UTC) A1AA1A (talk) 18:17, 21 May 2017 (UTC) Mauricio V. Genta (talk) 13:56, 9 June 2017 (UTC) Sam Wilson 10:26, 18 June 2017 (UTC) Danielt998 (talk) 05:01, 28 August 2017 (UTC) Maxim75 (talk) 06:04, 22 September 2017 (UTC) Fabio Bettani (talk) 17:48, 3 June 2018 (UTC) Geogast (talk) 23:51, 13 July 2018 (UTC) Bodhisattwa (talk) 19:29, 17 December 2018 (UTC) Jinoytommanjaly (talk) 13:13, 21 May 2019 (UTC) OktaRama2010 (talk) 00:25, 1 May 2020 (UTC) PhiH (talk) 14:20, 26 July 2020 (UTC) Jcornelius (talk) 18:47, 30 July 2020 (UTC) Mackensen (talk) 15:21, 29 August 2020 (UTC) Michgrig (talk) 22:04, 20 December 2020 (UTC) Trockennasenaffe (talk) 16:27, 5 September 2021 (UTC) Secretlondon (talk) 07:46, 3 September 2022 (UTC) GALAXYライナー (talk) 05:17, 14 October 2022 (UTC) Yirba (talk) 09:49, 10 August 2023 (UTC) Zwantzig (talk) 09:08, 07 September 2023 (UTC) S4b1nuz ᴇ.656(SMS) 16:16, 21 November 2023 (UTC) Prefuture (talk) 07:02, 16 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  Notified participants of WikiProject Railways After more than a year...   Done --Micru (talk) 07:04, 15 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]