Wikidata:Requests for deletions/Archive/2019/12/27

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Q2473753

Nakba Day (Q2473753): Palestinian day of commemoration: (delete | history | links | entity usage | logs)

No reliable sources Ciell (talk) 20:40, 26 December 2019 (UTC)

would this be at all related to Q263078? Quakewoody (talk)

Done Redirect created by User:Liuxinyu970226, you can do it yourself next time. --DeltaBot (talk) 02:00, 27 December 2019 (UTC)

Q8016895

William Pierson (Q8016895): American television, motion picture and stage actor (1926-2004): (delete | history | links | entity usage | logs)

Please unlink this item, the Commons category for this item links to the baseball player, not the actor. --Oaktree b (talk) 20:12, 26 December 2019 (UTC)

Not done Euh ! WD:RFD, sure Oaktree b ? I have another idea: we erase all the pages of all the wikis and we start again. It is you who have sitelinked the Item seven minutes before your RFD ! Please read the help pages first and if you don't understand something, don't change it. —Eihel (talk) 11:27, 27 December 2019 (UTC)

Q8016895

William Pierson (Q8016895): American television, motion picture and stage actor (1926-2004): (delete | history | links | entity usage | logs)

Please unlink this item, the Commons category for this item links to the baseball player, not the actor. --Oaktree b (talk) 20:12, 26 December 2019 (UTC)

Not done Euh ! WD:RFD, sure Oaktree b ? I have another idea: we erase all the pages of all the wikis and we start again. It is you who have sitelinked the Item seven minutes before your RFD ! Please read the help pages first and if you don't understand something, don't change it. —Eihel (talk) 11:27, 27 December 2019 (UTC)

They were linked in error, I didn't see that the En wiki had another article his name. Merci de le faire sans attitude critique. Ouf Oaktree b (talk) 13:03, 27 December 2019 (UTC)

Q25084067

Q25084067: no description: (delete | history | links | entity usage | logs)

No content Fayenatic london (talk) 23:12, 26 December 2019 (UTC)

Deleted by Sotiale (talk • contribs • logs) --DeltaBot (talk) 13:10, 27 December 2019 (UTC)

Q79885348

Q79885348: no description: (delete | history | links | entity usage | logs)

Empty and not notable GZWDer (talk) 23:36, 26 December 2019 (UTC)

Deleted by Sotiale (talk • contribs • logs) --DeltaBot (talk) 13:10, 27 December 2019 (UTC)

Q16445677

Benjaminas Kordušas (Q16445677): 1986 television film directed by Vidmantas Bačiulis: (delete | history | links | entity usage | logs)

Lacks ref, sitelink not about person: moved to Q68802066 --- Jura 15:23, 27 September 2019 (UTC)

Why was the sitelink, which was there first, moved and not the statements added later? Peter James (talk) 16:06, 27 September 2019 (UTC)

Because Wikidata doesn't repurpose items and there may be people named that way. --- Jura 16:27, 27 September 2019 (UTC)

Which is why it should be restored to its original purpose before it was repurposed. Peter James (talk) 16:33, 27 September 2019 (UTC)

Often, on creation, items are blank and one could argue that this should be restored and then the item used for something new. However, users of the final product would get disrupted.--- Jura 16:39, 27 September 2019 (UTC)

Items with sitelinks are not blank. If an item is blank or it isn't possible to determine what it was intended to be about, then it should be deleted. In this case it was already known what it was about but an incorrect statement was added. Peter James (talk) 18:26, 27 September 2019 (UTC)

Also for users of the final product it would be more useful to know we still have information on this, but that it was not a person; also to confirm that the original Q16445677 is the same as Q68802066 it would be necessary to check edit histories and logs, as sitelinks are not stable identifiers. Peter James (talk) 19:26, 27 September 2019 (UTC)

If it was about a person and now should be about a film, the QID wouldn't be stable.

You suggest we "salt" this in some way? I don't see the usefulness of keeping a QID that was incorrectly defined. --- Jura 12:36, 28 September 2019 (UTC)

I agree with @Peter James:, merging is the right solution here, the Qid would be back to it's original purpose. Te repurposing into a human (Q5) seems to be a mistake (ping @Holger1959: for confirmation). Cheers, VIGNERON (talk) 14:41, 3 October 2019 (UTC)

Well, there is a person with that name, but he just not notable, at least as far as I can tell. Reusing it for something else, would be against the general principle of Wikidata not to repurpose items. You can't repurpose items just because someone agrees to it .. --- Jura 17:47, 3 October 2019 (UTC)

Cases like this is why I advocate for "disambiguation" items. It acknowledges that the item exists in case other databases have already linked to it, but also acknowledges our own errors which would then serve to correct the data on here and on the places that have linked to it.

Meaning - Joe Website linked to this item for Person 2. If we simply correct our data back to Person 1, Joe Website makes it look like Person 1 should have the information as Person 2. And then a future editor re-populates the information. So, instead, we state - you are probably looking for one of these items (which represent Person 1 and 2).

yes, that is the problem with data, it becomes circular and then wrong data becomes harder to correct. You cite A as a source to add it to B, B is used as a source for C, and the C is cited as a source for B. Quakewoody (talk)

Done merged. --Pasleim (talk) 18:14, 27 December 2019 (UTC)

Q71286694

Canadian Pulp and Paper Association (Q71286694): organization: (delete | history | links | entity usage | logs)

Blank item after OpenRefine import bug --Vdelavenne (talk) 20:01, 21 October 2019 (UTC)

On hold This item is linked from 1 other. --DeltaBot (talk) 20:10, 21 October 2019 (UTC)

I added some identifiers. It seems to be a former name of Forest Products Association of Canada (Q5469083) - should it be merged? Peter James (talk) 21:33, 21 October 2019 (UTC)

Keep (1st choice), merge (2nd choice). @Peter James: VIAF treats the predecessor and successor organizations as two separate entities: [1][2]. Perhaps model the predecessor relationship like Golden State Warriors (Q157376) and its various predecessors? Deryck Chan (talk) 14:28, 7 November 2019 (UTC)

Not done --Pasleim (talk) 18:15, 27 December 2019 (UTC)

Q72387701

Mozilla Festival 2019 (Q72387701): annual conference run by Mozilla foundation with theme Healthy AI: (delete | history | links | entity usage | logs)

Does not meet the notability policy David (talk) 14:43, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

Oppose It's an important festival held every year and attracts significant number of participants from across the world. John Samuel (talk) 14:59, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

"Important festival" is debatable. But regardless, the question is does it meet Wikidata Notability. I think not. Delete

Also worth noting, I am not sure how the image linked from Wikicommons is relevant to the Wikidata item. That looks more like a picture of a person, not a festival. Quakewoody (talk) 15:29, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

So what about Mozilla Festival (Q38236899)? Wondering whether it is notable or not? John Samuel (talk) 17:00, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

And now there's two of them? Quakewoody (talk)

Mozilla Festival 2019 (Q72387701) is an instance of Mozilla Festival (Q38236899) (an approach followed by several conferences). Also Mozilla Festival 2019 (Q72387701) is currently linked to several other persons through speaker (P823). John Samuel (talk) 17:24, 28 October 2019 (UTC)

Not done --Pasleim (talk) 18:16, 27 December 2019 (UTC)

Q27590121

Marilyn Chambers' Private Fantasies 4 (Q27590121): 1985 film: (delete | history | links | entity usage | logs)

There was the Italian article but since that it was deleted. No references except the itwp, no interwikis, nothing justifies the structural need, but two identifiers included (IMDb & IAFD, nothing special). Very typical adult film, I doubt it was reviewed or awarded for example. I'm ready to expand it though, if it will be suddenly classified as notable enough for Wikidata. Wolverène (talk) 08:56, 6 November 2019 (UTC)

Apparently, it's being used in list of similar films, e.g. at https://www.wikidata.org/w/index.php?oldid=1046298559 . I don't have much of an opinion about the film, but apparently it would be recreated once we get closer to IMDb. --- Jura 09:30, 6 November 2019 (UTC)
- This list is of temporary usage, I'll eliminate it in some days. Are you thinking IMDb identifier will be enough in a future? Not a secret it is able for user-editing, similar to wiki-powered sites. --Wolverène (talk) 10:27, 6 November 2019 (UTC)

I don't think anyone is questioning the notability of Marilyn Chambers. So, then the question is, do we need an item for every film she ever made. Even if the Private Fantasies series made it, would we have an item for each movie in the series. Quakewoody (talk) 10:43, 6 November 2019 (UTC)

Not done --Pasleim (talk) 18:17, 27 December 2019 (UTC)

Q30026267

Gualdo Tadino (Q30026267): chief town of the homonym municipality: (delete | history | links | entity usage | logs)

In Italy there isn't the concept of "chief town of municipality" Dega180 (talk) 17:04, 6 November 2019 (UTC)

Item has a sitelink, it needs to be handled locally on cebwiki first.-- H^akan·IST 07:32, 7 November 2019 (UTC)

On hold This item is linked from 1 other. --DeltaBot (talk) 17:20, 6 November 2019 (UTC)

Gualdo Tadino (Q20457) is the municipality that contains Stazione Gaifana (Q18494098); Gualdo Tadino (Q30026267) is the place 6 km north of Stazione Gaifana (Q18494098). Statements can be changed or items merged if that is preferred. Peter James (talk) 15:13, 7 November 2019 (UTC)

Not done --Pasleim (talk) 18:19, 27 December 2019 (UTC)

Q1805489

There is no such given name (Vorname) in Turkish. The item was wrongly opened as "Vorname" in DE:WP (corrected now) and a bot opened this page here. I mean the wrong item. Please delete it and do not get confused by bots. E4024 (talk) 23:12, 7 November 2019 (UTC)

On hold This item is linked from 2 others. --DeltaBot (talk) 23:20, 7 November 2019 (UTC)

I hope we do not leave things to bots here. Right? --E4024 (talk) 01:13, 8 November 2019 (UTC)

@Qaswa: what do you think? We imported this from dewiki where it seems to come from your edit de:Special:Diff/109960977. Obviously if the reference supports it should stay. --- Jura 13:37, 8 November 2019 (UTC)

Hello, yes, Taşdemir IS a given name for males too, but the first source is sometimes not available, and therefore I added another source for the given name now : Taşdemir (German). Qaswa (talk) 15:21, 8 November 2019 (UTC)

In the en:WP there are Turkish names very often only stated as a "surname" even if they are given names, too. Qaswa (talk) 15:28, 8 November 2019 (UTC)

Vay beee! Is that your source? I guess you are not a Turkish speaking person. If you knew what "Vay beee" means you would now be exclaming "Vay beee" and laughing like I do. :=) --E4024 (talk) 16:11, 8 November 2019 (UTC)

I hope you had a good laugh --- but fact is it is another source for the given name, and that's what was asked for. Qaswa (talk) 18:12, 8 November 2019 (UTC)

I'm still laughing and waiting for you to find some "normal" people with that given name; not necessarily males, females are also welcome. Regards. --E4024 (talk) 00:38, 9 November 2019 (UTC)

I added both references to the item. --- Jura 11:15, 10 November 2019 (UTC)

It was originally "Familienname" - we can have items that are both, for example Barry (Q808995). Peter James (talk) 11:24, 10 November 2019 (UTC)

Have you had a chance to look at my contributions so far? I work generally on personal names and until today have opened many given, family and "both" name items. The problem here is there is no such given name. So simple. --E4024 (talk) 14:03, 10 November 2019 (UTC)

Apparently we have two references for the contrary. In this case, we should use Help:Ranking of statements to avoid re-doing this once a week. --- Jura 14:10, 10 November 2019 (UTC)

Apparently we are discussing in vain as I am the only one who knows Turkish here (apparently :) and more than apparently the so called sources do not impress me. Therefore as minority opinion I will not lose more time on this. Do whatever you like. BTW you should have seen the discussion about the Turkish footballer "Canavar Burhan" (Burhan the monster :) in DE and another WP. Some ridiculous source had written his surname as Sargun instead of Sargın, and I had a hard time convincing people to come to my side. (After all I was a friend of the family and that is "original research". I'm sure if I had taken a photocopy of his passport and provided them, they would have requested me to first publish this photocopy in a scholarly article. :) --E4024 (talk) 15:32, 10 November 2019 (UTC)

Is the Turkish Language Association reference misunderstood or does it support the statement? --- Jura 11:00, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

I had no intentions to return to this discussion but am not sure if Jura is making a question to me. My final reply to any questions is "First find a person, even if not notable to have a WD item, whose first name is Taşdemir and then ask me to create the item (again). Adios. --E4024 (talk) 13:30, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
Keep per WD:N #2 --- Jura 22:36, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

Not done --Pasleim (talk) 18:22, 27 December 2019 (UTC)

Q73459489

Jannati Nabiha Nur (Q73459489): Bangladeshi electronics engineer: (delete | history | links | entity usage | logs)

No sitelinks, links from other third party sources, or other indication of notability. Ibrahim Husain Meraj (talk) 18:21, 8 November 2019 (UTC)

I don't know if it equals notability, but there are plenty of hits on her, as well as authority control items. Quakewoody (talk)
@Ibrahim Husain Meraj, Moheen: আপনারা দুজন এইভাবে যুদ্ধ করতে চাচ্ছেন কেন? Mahir256 (talk) 02:55, 10 November 2019 (UTC)

Not done --Pasleim (talk) 18:24, 27 December 2019 (UTC)

Q69659100

Q69659100: no description: (delete | history | links | entity usage | logs)

Per discussion on Community Portal last week. It was decided that it's not worthwhile to create "author" items for articles with unknown authors if they're only signed with some non-distinctive signature. I would like to now delete this item, created this item, for the signature for "A Ramble in the Forest of Dean," which was created before that discussion. --Levana Taylor (talk) 07:23, 4 November 2019 (UTC)

On hold This item is linked from 1 other. --DeltaBot (talk) 19:20, 7 November 2019 (UTC)

Further clarification: the discussions I was referring to are archived here and here.

@Jura1: please comment if you oppose this deletion ... Levana Taylor (talk) 20:18, 7 November 2019 (UTC)

Yes, I think it should be kept as it meets WD:N, notably #3. I don't subscribe to the point of view that only authors found in VIAF or another catalogue should have items.

As you identified the two persons who could be this person, why not add that information to the item? Wikidata is built by incrementally growing items.

Items also facilitates its use as a multilingual resource. --- Jura 07:32, 8 November 2019 (UTC)

"you identified the two persons who could be this person" -- on the contrary, it could easily be yet a third person, and I think there's about a .01% chance we'll ever know any more. In fact, B. might not even be the contributor's real initial (given name or surname). I'm scanning through my Once a Week database (which I'm in the process of transferring to Wikidata) and find the following: article by Thomas Low Nichols signed "J.," by Isabella Percy signed "L.," by Harriet Martineau signed "V.," by Alexander Charles Fraser signed "W." ....

As for fulfilling a structural need -- it would be a fairly radical policy to say that every written work should have an author item, if that's what you're proposing. For consistency that would have to include ones that have no signature at all to refer to them by (let's be real, a single initial hardly provides any more information than nothing at all). --Levana Taylor (talk) 17:56, 8 November 2019 (UTC)

I'll tell you what we do on another site - we add the unknown writer (because it is a structural need). But we don't populate "maybe" information to the entry. If 'B. Johnson' wrote paper-x, we add B. Johnson and use disambiguation "wrote paper-x". We don't credit 3 different B. Johnson's as maybe the writer. It either stays "B. Johnson (wrote paper-x)" forever, or eventually someone finds something out. You would sometimes be amazed at how finding just 1 piece of data leads to solving the rest of the puzzle.

But, again, that is a different site with its own site of rules. Quakewoody (talk)

That's how I've been handling authors with names like "Mrs. Davis." (I could tell a case-in-point story about "how finding just 1 piece of data leads to solving the rest of the puzzle," involving identifying "Miss E. Waring," but that'd be a digression.) But as I said, wouldn't it be a change of direction for Wikidata to specify that all written works must have an author item, even if it contains literally no other info than that this nameless, signatureless person wrote article x? I can see a structural argument for it, but that arguemtn should be made elsewhere than here. Levana Taylor (talk) 19:03, 8 November 2019 (UTC)

Delete use unknown with qualifier object named as (P1932) like it was done by @Hsarrazin: [3]. --Pasleim (talk) 17:17, 6 December 2019 (UTC)
Delete - same - these "void" authors are a real problem, because anyone could add them to another item with the same "unknown" signature... while they are not the same authors... --Hsarrazin (talk) 18:45, 6 December 2019 (UTC)

Deleted by Pasleim (talk • contribs • logs) --DeltaBot (talk) 18:30, 27 December 2019 (UTC)

Q28058380

Dimitris Koulias (Q28058380): no description: (delete | history | links | entity usage | logs)

Notability unclear. --1234qwer1234qwer4 (talk) 18:58, 9 November 2019 (UTC)

On hold This item is linked from 1 other. --DeltaBot (talk) 19:00, 9 November 2019 (UTC)

Forgive my poor translation - he is the head of a football team. He is listed in the infobox of the WP article. So I think that means he meets a structural need. Quakewoody (talk)

Not done --Pasleim (talk) 18:26, 27 December 2019 (UTC)

Q58942514

Bally Municipality (Q58942514): Municipal Corporation in West Bengal, India: (delete | history | links | entity usage | logs)

There is no Municipal Corporation for Bally. Bally is a municipality. Bodhisattwa (talk) 09:41, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

On hold This item is linked from 3 others. --DeltaBot (talk) 09:50, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

Q58942514 is the local government; Bally Municipality Area (Q58954409) is the area for which it is the local government. There is no information about where this is, but it may be a duplicate - there is already Bally Municipality (Q19882226), which is labelled "municipality" but is the local government, not the area - unless there is more than one municipality called Bally, Q58942514 should be merged with it. Peter James (talk) 12:03, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

Agree, this should be merged with Bally Municipality (Q19882226) instead. --jacksonj04 (talk) 12:14, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

Done Redirect created by User:Pasleim, you can do it yourself next time. --DeltaBot (talk) 18:40, 27 December 2019 (UTC)

Q1784429

Full High Definition (Q1784429): Common name for HD in full resolution: (delete | history | links | entity usage | logs)

Duplicate of Q17211 DaSch (talk) 00:21, 25 December 2019 (UTC)

On hold This item is linked from 1 other. --DeltaBot (talk) 00:30, 25 December 2019 (UTC)

Keep these, according to the WP articles, are not the same. Quakewoody (talk) 00:13, 26 December 2019 (UTC)
Keep 1080p is 1080 lines with progressive scan. Full HD may 1080i or 1080p, but other res. or ratio too. Different countries have different denominations too. —Eihel (talk) 09:36, 27 December 2019 (UTC)

Not done --Pasleim (talk) 18:40, 27 December 2019 (UTC)

Q3124794

Wide Ultra Extended Graphics Array+ (Q3124794): graphics display resolution: (delete | history | links | entity usage | logs)

Duplicate of Q17211 DaSch (talk) 00:22, 25 December 2019 (UTC)

Comment both articles, HD 1080 and 1080p exist in French Wikipedia. That means in my opinion that modifications may be needed to the item, but I do not think that we can delete (and we cannot merge either).--Kostas20142 (talk) 00:33, 25 December 2019 (UTC)

Well I have no idea how the modification might look like and what may distinguish them. --DaSch (talk) 12:37, 25 December 2019 (UTC)

Keep At the bottom of the WP article, it says "see also" and points to the other article. If separate items/articles is a problem, it would need fixed on WP first. Quakewoody (talk) 00:11, 26 December 2019 (UTC)

On hold This item is linked from 2 others. --DeltaBot (talk) 10:40, 27 December 2019 (UTC)

Keep same observations for Full HD (prec. rq). —Eihel (talk) 11:12, 27 December 2019 (UTC)

Not done --Pasleim (talk) 18:39, 27 December 2019 (UTC)

Q79701967

Q79701967: no description: (delete | history | links | entity usage | logs)

Not Notable P134toP4913 (talk) 10:13, 25 December 2019 (UTC)

Deleted by Pasleim (talk • contribs • logs) --DeltaBot (talk) 18:40, 27 December 2019 (UTC)

Q79628768

Q79628768: no description: (delete | history | links | entity usage | logs)

Not notable Minorax (talk) 11:29, 25 December 2019 (UTC)

Deleted by Pasleim (talk • contribs • logs) --DeltaBot (talk) 18:40, 27 December 2019 (UTC)

Q79673291

Q79673291: no description: (delete | history | links | entity usage | logs)

Duplicate. no merge needed Quakewoody (talk) 12:29, 25 December 2019 (UTC)

Deleted by Pasleim (talk • contribs • logs) --DeltaBot (talk) 18:40, 27 December 2019 (UTC)

Q79892783

Q79892783: no description: (delete | history | links | entity usage | logs)

Does not meet the notability policy David (talk) 14:55, 27 December 2019 (UTC)

Deleted by Pasleim (talk • contribs • logs) --DeltaBot (talk) 18:40, 27 December 2019 (UTC)

Q79928115

Q79928115: no description: (delete | history | links | entity usage | logs)

Empty item David (talk) 14:57, 27 December 2019 (UTC)

Deleted by Pasleim (talk • contribs • logs) --DeltaBot (talk) 18:40, 27 December 2019 (UTC)

Q79609366

Q79609366: no description: (delete | history | links | entity usage | logs)

Is this person notable? EugeneZelenko (talk) 15:32, 27 December 2019 (UTC)

Deleted by Pasleim (talk • contribs • logs) --DeltaBot (talk) 18:40, 27 December 2019 (UTC)

Q64858145

Stephan R. Epstein (Q64858145): British historian (1960-2007): (delete | history | links | entity usage | logs)

Duplicate of Q7608160 --DrGavinR (talk) 16:12, 23 December 2019 (UTC)

but this is only a duplicate if the identifier you recently added is pointing to the correct person. Quakewoody (talk) 00:34, 26 December 2019 (UTC)

Cancel request for deletion. If they're the same they should be merged, if not, they should be left as they are. --DrGavinR (talk) 17:15, 27 December 2019 (UTC)

How about we don't cancel the request, and instead - we wait until someone with knowledge of 'Semantic Scholar researchers' to figure out if they are the same or different people. The 3 items existed. You are the one that took the data from 2 of them and added it to the other and then nominated the other 2 for deletion. Thanks for bringing it to our attention. Someone will figure it out. Quakewoody (talk) 17:47, 27 December 2019 (UTC)

Done Redirect created by User:Pasleim, you can do it yourself next time. --DeltaBot (talk) 19:01, 27 December 2019 (UTC)

Q64858807

Stephan R. Epstein (Q64858807): British historian (1960-2007): (delete | history | links | entity usage | logs)

Duplicate of Q7608160 --DrGavinR (talk) 16:13, 23 December 2019 (UTC)

but this is only a duplicate if the identifier you recently added is pointing to the correct person. Quakewoody (talk) 00:35, 26 December 2019 (UTC)

Cancel request for deletion. If they're the same they should be merged, if not, they should be left as they are. --DrGavinR (talk) 17:16, 27 December 2019 (UTC)

How about we don't cancel the request, and instead - we wait until someone with knowledge of 'Semantic Scholar researchers' to figure out if they are the same or different people. The 3 items existed. You are the one that took the data from 2 of them and added it to the other and then nominated the other 2 for deletion. Thanks for bringing it to our attention. Someone will figure it out. Quakewoody (talk) 17:48, 27 December 2019 (UTC)

Done Redirect created by User:Pasleim, you can do it yourself next time. --DeltaBot (talk) 19:01, 27 December 2019 (UTC)

Q4841501

My rationale is at the TP of the item; no reactions until now. E4024 (talk) 19:32, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

Not done - The item contains a valid sitelink to a page on Wikipedia. As per the notability policy it can have an item. If you want to delete the item, you will first have to have the enwiki page deleted locally. Sincerely, Taketa (talk) 20:52, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

Taketa and others, the only valid link there is to a "Bağcı" and not "Bagci". The other two are red links due to deletion on notability and those two also are "Bağcı", not "Bagci". I cannot edit the famous En:WP, because I have been fired from there, among other reasons for also pointing out to stupidities like this one. I think people in some WPs get disturbed by people who make them see their mistakes... Regards. --E4024 (talk) 22:08, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

Several items with this name in Wikidata. Some should be Bağcı, but it looks like at least one, Ulaş Bağcı (Q41194635), is Bagci. Peter James (talk) 22:27, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for showing me a wrong entry to correct, that of "Ulaş Bağcı". --E4024 (talk) 22:46, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

His name is Bagci according to the identifiers, as well as the University of Central Florida, papers on arxiv.org, and Twitter - how he spells his own name isn't wrong and shouldn't be corrected. Peter James (talk) 23:31, 11 November 2019 (UTC)

Agree, spelling should be based on available references about a person, not some own original research. --- Jura 22:45, 12 November 2019 (UTC)

Merge. Bağcı (Q4841501) is only linked to 2 items: Hakan Bağcı (Q60533025) is also known as Hakan Bağcı [4][5], Ibrahim Ethem Bagci (Q61612124) is also known as Bağcı, İbrahim Ethem [6][7]. The wider discussion that needs to be had is how we store names of people who have language-dependent names. Do we stick to one language? Do we store all the forms used by the person? Do we include translations in reliable sources? Deryck Chan (talk) 10:52, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
Keep different spellings get different items. --- Jura 10:58, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
- Both researchers (Q60533025 & Q61612124) are Turks by nationality, no matter where they are based, we can call them Bağcı according to the native spelling. Not all catalogues allow diactritic (I don't know if the bot that created items about those reseachers takes account of diacritics as well), and not every contributor may have wish to inscribe the name as in passport, in order to not to confuse people for example. So for me it's not quite about differencies in spelling. --Wolverène (talk) 12:52, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
Jura they are not different spellings; they are names of people with "strange" letters of Turkish whose names have had to be written differently here and there. Have you ever seen any American or British newspaper writing Recep Tayyip Erdoğan? They all write "Erdogan". So that is an "alias" and not the correct "label" for these and other Turkish names. --E4024 (talk) 13:12, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
- Americans can use that name too. Try to convince them that they can't spell their last name ;). Anyways, Wikidata just follows the reference and then applies ranking. We don't need to delete stuff based on current or future consensus about "truth". --- Jura 16:13, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
Deryck Chan, although I opened this as a deletion request, I understand we agree on what has to be done. Bagci can be an alias for Bağcı, although I personally prefer to use aliases not in the "name" items but at the items of the concerned "people". For example: Ulaş Bağcı (label), Ulas Bagci (alias). That is a need in non-Turkish alphabet-based places, to reach the items easily. Thanks. --E4024 (talk) 13:18, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
- Scopus uses the name "Bagci, Ulas" (as does the subject) but uses Bağcı for the other two. Peter James (talk) 16:42, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
Wolverène, of course I agree with and appreciate your contribution to this discussion. Thanks. --E4024 (talk) 14:02, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
Deryck Chan, even though I said above ""Bagci can be an alias for Bağcı, I personally prefer to use aliases not in the "name" items but at the items of the concerned "people" etc"" because in Turkish we have personal names which are different and independent, although the difference is only a dot or two of the alphabet, like the given names "Sina" and "Sına". You cannot make these names "same", they are not. This is why I practice the following in WD: Try to have "Latin alphabet aliases" for people with Turkish alphabet names but have their "name" entries separately. I will look around now, and if I see someone notable enough with the name "Sına" I will open a new entry for Sına (given name). We do have "Sina". --E4024 (talk) 19:27, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
(Reply to myself) I could not find a notable person with the name Sına, but we have them among us; one is Uncle Sına, son of Azmiye Hami Güven. (They are familiars of mine.) Having said that, we have the Turkish given names Ergun and Ergün, being separated buy only the dots on a "u" letter, but having totally different meanings. Regards. --E4024 (talk) 13:29, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
Taketa can you revise your previous stance please? Thanks. --E4024 (talk) 01:21, 14 November 2019 (UTC)
The item is used in several Wikidata items and should in no situation be deleted. At maximum it could be redirected, depending on whether or not these two names are different or the same. You do not need an admin for redirecting. In my opinion things are fine now and should be left as is. Sincerely, Taketa (talk) 04:15, 14 November 2019 (UTC)
The two examples given by Deryck Chan above as having reference to both forms are Turkish people with a Turkish surname (Bağcı) and the "Bagci" label has been added to their names after this discussion began. I will make the necessary corrections in their items, i.e. use Bağcı in their name "label" and use "Bagci" in their name as "alias". This is the practice I have always done in similar cases and never nobody complained of. Thanks. --E4024 (talk) 13:04, 14 November 2019 (UTC)
- @E4024: if you change the label, please make sure to include a reference with the spelling. --- Jura 13:12, 14 November 2019 (UTC)
  - @E4024: For Hakan Bagci and Ibrahim Ethem Bagci, I would prefer to have the diacritic-free version as the label in English and the version with diacritics as the alias in English (and only Bağcı in Turkish), because it would appear that these academics generally spell their surnames as Bagci in English and Bağcı in Turkish. Deryck Chan (talk) 13:44, 15 November 2019 (UTC)
  - @Jura1: Would you be amenable to a merge of the two items? Deryck Chan (talk) 13:44, 15 November 2019 (UTC)
    - I found a series of other people where only the ASCII spelling is attested, so: no, as it would be contrary to what is being done for name items in general. Even for people where we can find both spellings, both items can be helpful. --- Jura 13:49, 15 November 2019 (UTC)
Should be merged Per E4024, same Turk calling with just a little differents in some rurals are not notable to have separate items. --Liuxinyu970226 (talk) 14:12, 2 December 2019 (UTC)

Done --Pasleim (talk) 19:07, 27 December 2019 (UTC)

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I created it by mistake and later realised that Q24025275 already existed. I have tranfered the data to the orgiginal. --JoranL (talk) 19:32, 27 December 2019 (UTC)